Another female teen: Haley, and when male teens???!!!!!
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Another female teen in the Daz Store: Haley, another one, and I'm wondering: when will Daz will do a male teen??!!! When??!!! And after they say: "we aren't focused in female models", please, come on!! I don't how to say DAZ we don't want more female teens!! We need male teens!! Jayden and Justin 7 haven't been created yet and you create a new (another one) female teen. Do you think we are some kind of Barbie dolls collectors or something like that?
Come on DAZ!! I DO REQUEST YOU!!!! CREATE MALE TEENS!!!! AND STOP CREATING MORE FEMALE TEENS!!! PLEASEEEEEE!!!!
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Haley is not a Daz original like Kalea 7 and Kimo 7, though with the effort that 3D universe puts in their character bundles they certainly could be.
I can't find the thread off hand but Daz have pretty much said the Genesis and Genesis 2 teen males didn't actually sell very well so they don't have a G3 teen male planned, they did hint at a few other names they thought might impress us though.
I'm wondering if the Daz Owner knows about this situation, about what his creators are doing, it's clear they are focused in female models, I'd like to talk to the Daz Owner and tell him what it's happening, this a very serious problem and we have to report it. It's no possible they continue creating more and more female models and just a few male models, and in this topic is very clear, any male teen in the 7 generation. If someone knows the Daz Owner email let me know, I'll love to have a very long talk to him.
I grabbed her right away. 3D Universe does fantastic work. :)
Totally agree!
They couldn´t be a Daz Original model, but Daz has to condition to 3D Universe and tell: "if you create female models you have to create male models too" but Daz doesn't do anything about this situation.
You could try this.
https://www.daz3d.com/growing-up-for-genesis-3-male-s
It might work for you.
If you recall the last thread on this topic, DAZ Steve mentioned that there was no male teen planned at the moment (although naturally a PA could create one if they wished). He did say that a tween would arrive (assumably Justin 7), and you could use this dialled at say 80% to create a male teen. Other than that, your only other option for Genesis 3 is the growing up morphs from Zev0, or the Youth morph from the head/body morphs.
Daz doesn't tell PAs what they can and can not make for the store. If the item is not a Daz original, they will not tell a PA (who is brokering) that they "must" do this or they can not do that. It doesn't work that way. The "owners" are very aware of everything that goes through the store and what sells and what doesn't. If you have requests, the best way to handle them is to submit that request through the site's Help system.
Male teens don't sell. In general male content sells less, but male boys in particular don't sell. I don't buy or render teens of either gender, so while I feel your pain, I'm not sure they will change their minds.
If more people bought teen male content, I'm sure things would be different, but I don't think that is going to change here anytime soon since there is low return producing teen boys.
Yep. The posture slider is what makes it awesome. There's a skin mats pack for younger characters, too, it's cleverly shaded to emphasise youthful faces.
Greetings,
That's not the way this works. DAZ isn't a movie director, or a dictatorship. It's a marketplace, and PA's make what they've found to sell, and it'd be wrong for DAZ to tell them to spend huge amounts of time making something that's not going to sell as well.
DAZ commissions some amount of work, generally for their main-line characters, although sometimes that's done by a PA and DAZ buys it out and turns it into a main-line character. My understanding is that that's rarer.
Haley's a very nice character, and it's up to 3D Universe to decide if they want to make a male equivalent at some point.
-- Morgan
Or you could get Alex for Dusk. He is made by 3D Universe as well, so he should match up nicely .
I don't know why some people here say male teens don't sell, it's illogical, if you purchase a female model, it's obvious you would want her male partner, or what? would you use only female models in your works? Even Barbie dolls have their Ken version in every realase they do, it's absurd the pretext only female ones sell, in my opinion I doubt too much that version, I think the real reason is the creators don´t like male models and they make only females, I mean, they create only what they want. But, okay, we're going to suppose for a moment they´re right, and male models don't sell, how can they prove us male teens don't sell? Give us proofs about their statements. How I said: that is very strange and I doubt that version.
It's a fact, even if some refuse to accept it.
When you push the 'most popular' button of the shop, you find the Haley-bundle almost on top, in less than a day. Haven't seen that before...
Greetings,
Uhhh... Because PA's have come on and very clearly and specifically said that things they make for males sell less than the same thing for females. That male characters sell fewer than the female characters.
No, not everybody needs a counterparty for every female character. This is true in dolls and in 3D characters.
In fact, one knowledgeable source estimates there's roughly 1 Ken doll made for every 19 Barbie dolls. Male dolls almost never sell as well as female dolls, and specifically Ken dolls that are just as rare (or usually rarer, because of lower production amounts) sell for significantly lower amounts of money. Similarly, real female clothes sell significantly higher amounts than male clothes, in real life, and with wider varieties.
Look, it's fine to have your presumptions about how things should work, but it's not fine to suggest that folks are being disingenuous when PA's say very clearly that male items, including characters, don't sell as well.
-- Morgan
I think I saw a sale on Cory and his bundle who appears to be a male teen so you could check that out... There are many characters you can use from G2 and G1 too plus the growing up morphs for G3. It's not like they don't exist...
Well, actually, it's not obvious at all. A lot of people do use only or almost only female models. Look at the number of pinups in galleries, for example...
+1 If it were selling as well, they'd be making it.
Chase is not a different shape, he is just a preset for Growing Up morphs from Zev0.
This is very true, just look through the newest 3D pics on deviant art, and there is a large number of single female only pics. If there is a second character at all, its often another female. As has been said often before, whilst it is fairly obvious that male artists prefer to render females, I believe that that is also true of the majority of female artists aswell.
I haven't been around much lately, but that was a very common thing(when i used to visit daily). Not surprising at all.
Ok, so I just talked to the male characters in the store and they said "We dont mind having fewer guys around because it mean less competition for each of us to get a girl."
So there you have it.
I know you may not want to hear this, especially from a PA... but it is true that male items sell less than female items, and teens/kids sell even less than that. I think a large reason for this is that you, the buyers, only have a limited budget to spend on this as a hobby (I know some buy to use professionally, but the majority seems to be hobbyists), and when one sets out to spend hours setting up and rendering a scene, they tend to already have a specific interest in mind. This interest can be pinup girls, vampires, fairies, medieval fantasy, sci-fi, etc. People render their fantasies (and I mean that as in "imagination", not "sexual fantasies") and often male or younger figures do not fit into that fantasy. They want to render the strong, attractive female warrior, or the seductive temptress, or a forlorn elf/fairy. So, the priority leans toward adult female content, and more often fantasy and sci-fi genres rather than everyday clothing.
I'm not saying "nobody buys males or children or contemporary content". I'm only saying that the priority for most buyers tends to go toward whatever their chosen genre is, leaving us PAs, who only I have so many hours in a day to devote to creating content, with little choice but to give the buyers what they want. I work literally 7 days a week, often from the moment I pour my first cup of coffee until the wee hours of the morning. To create quality content is not easy, and if I could crank out an entire outfit every week, I would certainly make more of the "unpopular" items, since I would know I could start something else fairly quickly. But, as it is, it takes about a month to make something compelling and have it ready to submit to the store. Some things take longer, up to three months, so you want that 3 months work to bre something that people will buy, otherwise you were just "playing" for all that time.
Daz does not, has not ever, told me what to make. They don't even give suggestions or opinions on unfinished work. They stay out of it until we are finished and submit it to them for approval. Certainly they have product ideas that they think of themselves and will commission someone to make for them, but for the most part they leave all those decisions to us, the content creators. I know this is not what people want to hear when they are looking for content, but I wanted to be sure to explain that Daz is not trying to ignore or shut out any section of its market. They work really hard to put out what they can and would love to be able to provide the content you are asking about, but if the PAs are not making it, Daz cannot sell it. I am more than confident that, if we were to submit such items to Daz they would accept them and put them in the store. So, the culpability is on us, the content creators, not Daz. They don't reject things based on content, only on quality. At least, that has been my experience of the last 3 years, and when I hear from PAs who have had things rejected, it's never been because it was "a male item, or a teen item."
Here's a quick test of the Little Twins and the Little Ones dialed at 50%.
Here's another quick test of the Little Twins and the Little Ones dialed at 25% with 60% generation 6 morphs on the Asian and African american figures
The gallery is filled with images of what people like to render, and while there is an occasional male (usually an adult pinup style), the fast majority of images are of female characters usually with revealing clothing.
IIt is unfortunate, but the market and store reflect what people are buying.
True. I never had a Ken - my Barbies always went out with The Six Million Dollar Man. Cos he was cooler.