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Perfect for the Chris Pine Captain Kirk!
Can that be done and still protect for a variety of eyebrow shapes and sizes? A lot of characters have expressions "baked into" their eyebrows that totally contradict the expressions you can set with facial bones. Eyebrows need to be rigged, and textured in a neutral position, so skin stretches and scrunches with changing expressions.
Of course, this would be heck to texture for the PAs working from photographs of real people, just like navels and nipples are so insanely hard to get right, because the photos don't match up to the mesh, at all (and the navels always have "baked in" lighting that doesn't match scene lighting. An ideal navel or nipple would just be a patch of darker skin, with either bump maps, displacement maps, or HD morphs to apply the proper details.
I'd prefer fibermesh, or several layers of LIE.
Yes. All an Eyebrows zone would do is allow for a different texture to be applied to that area, just as the Lips zone does now. (You already "mix-and-match" for the ladies when you choose a makeup/no-makeup option and then choose a different lip color.) It doesn't affect the mesh in any way. And it would allow the user to select a no-brow texture, (if the PA provides one,) to be used with the fiber mesh eyebrows you prefer. And a PA could release a character with one eyebrow shape in several colors, and release an add-on for that character with additional colors for those brows, and/or other brow shapes and colors, if there proved to be a market for it.
Good point. I never looked at the eyebrow zone as a way of simply saving resources by reducing complexity.
Not everyone, no. But DevArt is the top cg art site in the world and its daily traffic dwarfs that of that of DAZ. So while it's true that DAZ users are a fairly small portion of the over all mix, there are still far more Poser, DS and other hobbyist CG artists reading there overall than here. Like YouTube, it's a very powerful marketing tool in the hands of those who know how to use it.
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... sure, I don't personally find her attractive, but it is good to see what we're getting. :)
And a good percentage of the characters I create I don't find attractive, I still like to know what I'm getting.
I have this fibremesh eyebrow I use; it has a number of mat zones, so I can alter cuttout opacity and give some different shades.I did it like that in part to allow the reduction in hair quantity.
I tend to customise the face textures so I can use them, so Lyoness' no brows option is awesome; especially as have to adjust the spec, bump, normal etc.
I use the eyebrows that come with the characters when they are suitable, due to the work involved, but I've bought the two Lyoness characters in part due to the no brows option - I will get the other she did because of that. Can only use so many characters, and as I customise skins... :)
<3 you!!
(Just realised it is possible to misunderstand what I put; I meant in my post that there is more work as it is not just adjusting the diffuse texture, but also spec, bump, normal, SSS etc.)
Love that your (and Raiya's) merchant resource had the no eyebrow option.
@PAs that create character textures. :)
I'm curious how much extra work it is?
Presumably the textures are created, then the eyebrows afterwards?
I admit, I'd love the ability to change the look of the eyebrows. Especially the tilt and angle because sometimes the eyebrows on both male and female characters can look way too much like Divine's.
The angle, width, and tilt can really make a character look totally different.
So far, I'm not a huge fan of fiber mesh hair though on the brows though.
What I find very handy is using the eyebrows from Skin Overlay as masks and maybe bump on a geoshell. This allows a lot of control over hair color and adjustments to height and whatnot.
With close-ups, I prefer to use fibermesh, since it LOOKS like hairs and has dimension. Again, easy control over hair color.
There are ways to do it, though. Many vendors and users have a DA link in their sig. All they need is a link to their Daz forum post, maybe FAQ, or one of those commercial threads, which contains a link to DA from there. Some store pages have an embeded youtube video, that video could also sneak in a link at the end of the youtube video.
This is exactly why I've been buying characters from most-digital-creations.com lately. Adam Thwaites creates beautiful characters with amazing skin and his site doesn't have the strict nudity restrictions that Daz does. He's not even shy about providing pics of the gens. I don't usually do nude renders, but it's good to know that if I wanted to I could get very realistic nude art.
I've not bought a whole lot of characters, due to my strict budget, but the characters I have bought here about 1/3 of them I have been disapointed in with the skin once I get them in my studio. I've never been disapointed in an Adam Thwaits skin though, what you see is what you get. From my experience the same can not be said for some of the characters I've bought through Daz.
Let's not get into skin bashing and continue brain storming about eyebrows!!
As a side note - Not every buyer here uses these forums. In fact, a significant majority DON'T. Adding a dA link to the sig only helps those who do.
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Hmmm, I've been experimenting with a fiber-based eyebrow product. But it proposes a lot of challenges as a product. Nonetheless, if something like this was released in the store, would you all be interested?
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If it's for Genesis or Genesis 2, yes.
That the majority of buyers don't use the forums? Daz3D has the data to prove it, no one else does, but from the anecdotal evidence I believe them when they say it is so,
yes for G3.
G3F FTW!
If it looks like real brows Yesss!
I'm with Z on this one. Would be nice to have an option of various eyebrow shades...and the option of none...Sometimes the skin texture is fantastic but the model has enormous eyebrows like furry slugs...We've got beards and the like why not custom eyebrows? Love to see some shape when the head is turned for a side profile and the painted flat eyebrow just ruins it. I think Zev0 needs to run with this one... ;)
Agree about the enormous eyebrows. That can be a drag!
It's not HOW MANY buyers use the forums, it's HOW MUCH the forum buyers buy. The "out there" buyers would get their butts kicked against many of us. Just saying. (Edit, and then there's Ken, buying Bijou...)
Have you guys tried Displacement Maps? I find they work well for eyebrows, large moles, and veins.
Definetly yes! I would buy eyebrows especially for mal characters.
hi Novica
"The "out there" buyers would get their butts kicked against many of us"
i understand every word of this just not the meaning
Lol, just meaning that so what if ten buyers out there in the world, are not on the forums and buying- if ONE forum member buys as much as they do? Just saying it isn't the number of buyers who are on the forums, it's how much is bought.
I don't know how Daz does its surveys, the sample demographics, but hopefully they get a wide variety from on the forums and off.
Daz doesn't actually have to survey anything, if you mean questionnaires, of that sort of thing. They have personally identifiable data.
We already know that there's one database for user information, including purchases -- product library -- and forum ID. They sent themselves into conniption fits -- three times, even! -- making sure that they had only one user database. Once you know that, it's a fairly simple set of calculations; they can do it either with more sophisticated database tools, which they have, or even with a spreadsheet. Date of first purchase, total amount spent, total number of forum posts. Run a set to see if there's any correlation between number of forum posts and amount of money spent. Run another set of calculations to see the total amount spent by forumites versus non-forumites. Bang, done.
Veering back to the original topic: I would myself love to see more brow-free characters and separate fibermesh brows. What I've wondered is why the eyebrows aren't a separate zone any more. Victoria 4, I think, had a separate eyebrow zone. I'm not sure how often it was used, though. But it has happened in the past.
As far as fibermesh goes, I've been autofiting Laticis' G2M eyebrows, Luthbel's G2M eyebrows for Marius, and Alfred's eyebrows to G3M. Alfred's work best -- Luthbel's have a high arch that doesn't always fit, and Laticis' brows tend to deform a bit on the bottom edge on some characters. However, Alfred has some mighty mighty eyebrows -- they go back nearly to his ear -- so they're not always a good option.
I would definitely buy fibermesh eyebrows for Genesis 3. (In fact, I'm waiting until Wise Sensei goes off new-item status so I can afford to buy him, both because he's an older character with a lot of great detail work -- and I didn't realize that there was actually a character included with the clothing when he first came out -- and because he has G3 compatible fibermesh brows. Luthbel could probably make a decent amount of money if he put out a set of highly morphable fibermesh brows for both male and female.) (But especially male. Please.)