Ethnic Couple 7 Idea Thread
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Since DAZ seems to be experimenting with more ethnicities in the Iconic Character line-up, it makes me curious as to what other non-Caucasian nationalities they could market. So far we have:
Asian: Mei Lin & Lee
African: Monique & Darius
Tropical: Kalea & Kimo
So, what would be some good and tasteful ideas for other ethnicities that you think would be great to see in the Pro Bundle section of our store?
I for one would love to see an official Native American couple with both traditional and modern attire that respects the ancient North American culture with long raven hair styles both straight and braided. We already have SickleYeild's Native American Ethnicity DOs as well as FWSA's Wachiwi and Aiyana without a fuss, so there's nothing stopping it from happening. :)
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I'd like to see a Scottish couple, Indian, and Mexican characters.
Less interested in the Native stuff as there tends to be a huge amount of stuff I can't use of the warpaint and tribal warrior and sexy Native variety, which I just won't touch.
I'd like to know how you would tell they were a Scottish couple... most of us don't have red hair, so you would be back into stereotypes again.
But I would like to see a larger selection of ethnic types that you can mix into a figure too
Well, the same can be said of many ethnicities. Mexico has a very diverse range since you have Spaniard, Indigenous (which also varies), Black and even Irish and Chinese and more in varying mixtures. My brother is darker complected than myself. Most mistake me for Italian. Even in Africa, those from the different coasts, central, northern, southern areas are very different. Many people have a very narrow idea of what they think a nationality looks like due to their own experiences, is what I have found.
I didn't say that, did I ? You'd have to use judgement to make a character look regional without explotive... That is the challenge for most things. My father is scottish and he is tall and dark haired and craggy. So I have no pre-conceived notions that all Scotts have red hair. Although I'm sure there are a few.
I don't care for the most steroetypical Native American outfits, mostly because some of them tend to really dislike the sterotype so very much. Such as when a outfit is portrayed in an un-authentic way or their costumes are appropriated by non-natives as 'costumes.' I respect that feeling and don't use costumes like that for my characters.
No you didn't suggest red hair, I did - trying to think what many people (not necessarily you) would identify as 'Scots' when looking at a couple, clothes they were wearing aside. Most of Western Europe looks interchangeable. And I agree most of the stereotypical outfits are more costumes than for creating historically acurate scenes.
My personal request would be a morph set to better achieve the regional differences. I have attached an image from a project aimed at defining the "average" person for a region. I am amazed at how each region has subtle differences. For a specific group, just google "Average Ethnic Face" and you'll be inundated with pictures.
That is great Etrigan. I like that a lot. Quite interesting
I think contemporary clothing and military uniforms and outfits tend be pretty straightforward and would be useful. Fashion can easily be examined for modern regional looks.
My ideal would be a set of Scottish characters that look like musicians Emili Sande and Findle Quaye!
Need more kilts.
Just add a tartan shader a skirt ????
never call a kilt a skirt,
Honestly, I'd rather see base body type and age range sets rather than something that's specifically "ethnic." Because, really, once you've got those, the difference between any ethnicity can be handled more than adequately by a just set of face morphs and maybe a texture set. And more to the point, I suspect that the idea of paired male/female sets for a wide variety of types doesn't fit in with DAZ's general male figure policy. If there's not going to be a TeenJayden 7, despite the fact that Teen Josie was one of the first characters out of the G3F mill, it seems unlikely that we're going to get M/F variants for a wide variety of nationalities. My guess is that we might get a Native American set and maybe something generically Middle-Eastern, but beyond that we'll mainly get the fairies and toon types again.
I guess you could say that, but really... were any of us expecting Mei Lin and Lee before they showed up? Or Monique and Darius? Or Kalea and the upcoming Kimo? I certainly didn't. Over the last couple of years I've come to expect the unexpected when it comes to the Daz base figures. Minotaur 6... Reptillian 6........ really wasn't expecting those.
I found this (based on CIA information): http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Ethnic-groups#2013
Information for my country, Venezuela, is almost good: Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Arab, German, African, indigenous. These are OK, but they forgot said mixed, it is very important.
Seeing ethnicities of the world the list is very long, there are much where chose. It is obvious who I would want to see in a Pro bundle :D
actually I have some friends that have native american blood in them actually they said indian (I always thoughts american indian meant indigenous american) btw and they asked liked some fantasy type photo manipulations I did of them in the sexy loincloth type garb and head dresses my heritage btw is pretty wide mixture I'm australian, Tasmanian to be exact and my bloodline consists of Irish, Scottish, German, British, even got romanian Gypsey bloodline who were said to be gifted ;) and few others my ancestory real mixed bag oh I have red hair :) but the more variety in colours/races/ages/sizes the better I like variety
I'm half Italian and half Korean and you have no idea how many times a Mexican came up to me expecting me to be Spainish, here in Texas. Caucasians and Black Americans are the only enthic groups where my ethnic heritage never comes up in a conversation, but with every other enthic group, it is brought up when they first meet me. Its so funny watching asians trying to place my ethinicity in a polite conversation. I have some strike a conversation just to get a closer look at me to place whether or not I am indeed asian to the point where I have to stop the small talk and just let them know what I am. The Persians here are just as bad, lol.
In my lifetime, I have been mistaken for Indian, Native American, Inuit, Philippino, Chinese, Hawaiian, and Persian. What's so funny is that I'm typically mistaken by these groups as belonging to their ethnicty. I've learn over the years that most ethinic groups tend to project their prefered ethnicity on me.
Kalea 7 is beautiful, her face looks very fillipino to me.
Ethnic bundles are nice but I rather have unique skins, like Jazmine, by Raiya. Most skin textures for dark skin is very warm, like Kalea 7, this is the first dark skin that I have seen that is actaully a cool tone skin. I'd rather have more variety of skin tone (cool, warm, neutral) to go with a variety of different skin colors. Not every pale girl is a cool tone goth. Not every red head a pale cool tone beauty. Not every mediteranian is a warm tone beach goddess. I had a childhood friend who is Greek and she was a pale cool tone beauty and her skin couldn't handle too much sun.
With agreater variety of morphs and skins, we could project our prefered ethnicity on any figure. But ethnicity is not the same as culture, so seeing more bundles of MALE & female clothing from different "cultures" is a definite plus and here are my preferences.
English - Victorian clothing bundle with a side of SteamPunk fantasy
French - 17th or 18th Clothing with a side of Pirate fantasy.
Italian - Italian renaissance with a side of Roman greco fantasy (or real)
Korean - a hanbok would be a nice since we already have chinese and japanese outfits with a side of outrageous KPop outfits
American - Either Colonial or Civil war era with a side of wild west.
Or bundles from different eras of the 20th century. Each era was unique and other than the 20's and 50's very under represented.
some nice ideas BurstAngel
Just as a kind reminder in the case that an unpleasant dispute over the Scotts verges on the point of breaking-out (and not saying it is) that I intended this topic to focus primarily on NON-CAUCASIAN ethnicities.
Also, just to be clear, I'm well aware that DAZ won't necessarily provide such figures, especially as far as males go, nor am I expecting them to. This just an idea thread as to what could be a good addition to the DAZ UN since they certainly seem more explorative of the idea.
Sorry, my point with the post is that enthic does not equate culture or era. My prefence is more eras in history and culture rather than just ethnicities.
To me, Michael 7 looks French for some reason... I don't think we need full ethnic characters as much as just a variety of morphs like the ethnic morphs for V4 and M4.
I can tell the difference between most Western Europian ethnicities (for the most part) if I scrutinize... same with most Asian, Korean being the easiest for me to recognise as I lived there for a while and they rarely intermarry.
I've been wanting to make a hanbok for a while.. Don't know if I can do it justice. Maybe. It's a doosie.
Actually, you kind of set things off on the wrong foot by saying both "ethinicities" and "non-Caucasian nationalities". Which are not the same thing. An ethnic group is "a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like." Race MAY be a factor, but it may not be. A nationality is a geographic or political description. For example, the genotype of most Latinos is a mix of various Caucasian and Native American strains, but it's a bell curve with a sizeable number on either end who are almost completely one or the other. And while they may seem similar physically (which, really, is what differentiates one DAZ figure from the other) they don't belong to the same ethnic groups. Someone from Central Mexican, someone from El Salvador, and someone from Puerto Rico would be far more prone to see each other as different ethnic groups based on other factors than simply skin color, while someone from Brazil might as well be from another planet. Ditto with Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc., all of whom are theoretically represented at DAZ by the generic Asians Lee and Mei Lin. Finally, consider that that a large percentage of middle easterners come from the same base Caucasian stock, with the genetic background of the "average" Arab and the "average" Jew being almost identical... and yet it's hard to imagine two groups that have a wider cultural gap, while the cultures and lifestyles of the Sunnis, Shias, Kurds, Sikhs are all incredibly different from each other. And yet, for the purpose of a DAZ figure, there would be little reason to make more than one figure to cover all of them.
we're all the same on the inside more or less ;) but sometimes having the stereotypical looks styles are needed and can be a good thing noone's mentioned the Itallians their stereotypical look is unique too clothing and the thick unibrows look. We've had a lot of shows over the years featuring them with this look mostly comedy also these were written by directed by aussie itallians. And the stereotypical Irish and Scottish are cool like Fat Bastard ;) and like I mentioned I have Irish and scottish in me. Themed sets are great gives us unique different looks/styles otherwise it gets boring really fast if everyone was the same and stereotypical looks/themes/styles are great embrace the differences and have fun so long as it's not hateful mean spirited hey us aussies have the stereo type of wearing those hats with the corks, holding a beer and throwing a shrimp on the barbie as well as other things if you did a render like that I and others would instantly know your character was an aussie and wouldn't bother me and I look nothing like that or personally know anyone like that but I'd know it was an aussie, same goes with others Scotts, irish, Kiwis, Poms, and so on but I'd like more of everything and the ability to mix and match clothing and characters for endless possibilities don't forget too that being in a mulicutural world there are a lot of unique mixed looking people which is pretty cool so clothing can help in deciding where your character comes from too
by the way Fisty got some great deals last night got the bundles for Paloma, Tenshi, Pearl and Egyptian haven't looked at them yet but the promos loved those ladies and their clothing extra
Free Hanbok for G2F https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/hanbok-g2f/74265 and shader https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/hanbok-shader/74266
how about some british characters bit of variety there I grew up watching a lot of brit tv
Well, obviously that's the case. But let's keep in mind that this is DAZ 3D marketing we're talking about here, where those things don't necessarily apply correctly (understatement of the day). Also, by that logic, there's no need for Kalea or Kimo as they're specifically Tropical, which can probably be just as easily covered by Monique & Darius if leaning more towards Pacific Islander or Mei Lin & Lee if more akin to Hawaiian/Filipino/Indonesian, etc.
This is why I think an official Native couple would be most appropriate as they seem to be the only other base skin color and general culture/nationality/etc. that's not on the list. Recall the Ethnicity Morphs I mentioned in my OP.
Well, that and of course the more Hispanic and Middle Eastern folk.
looks like I got one of my wishes the new Kimo 7 has a very Maori/Kiwi/New Zealand look to him and seeing as there are rugby related stuff one of their big sports same as here in australia in the bundle makes it look more so + the two seperate characters not in the bundle their tattoos
this Ivan that's mentioned was thinking German or Russian but then thought be cool if he was Mongolian they get used a lot in sci and fantasy tv and movies and would look good in other projects too