Dandelion accessories
Joe Webb
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I think the new Dandelion set is great and will be getting it soon. I am looking for accessories or environment sets to go with it. Specifically the promo image of the dead dandelion head, but also the stump and/or any other woodland close up model. I think some of the promo images are bg images, but the seedhead seems like a model.
Can anyone suggest good looking, close up models. A quick search gives nice looking models, like Pedatron's, but I'm not sure if they are good for close up work.
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I've been on the fence, she's cute, but for the creepy eyes.
My guess is that the dandelion head is a photo, and that the image is a postworked composite.
Edited spelling.
the ones attached to her outfit not included with the outfit?
woww i was fooled
No, if you look at the product description you can see the ones attached are included. I just want to know about the other stuff, and on closer look I think barbult is right, its postwork. But I disagree with nicstt, I think the creepy eyes are a selling point - to me a fae should be on the creepy side. So I agree she has creepy eyes but I think that is what makes her cute
Her outfit is awesome. Best fae gear since the dress that looks like they've dived head first into a flower and popped out the other side, Fairy Princess.
Faes are supposed to look creepy. Elves look beautiful and etheral and cute and that. Faes are supposed to creep you out so you go away. You're trespassing. Leave. Now.
nice overhead shot, goose_chase.
The outfit is perfect for it. She sort of launches and then glides on the thermals. Parabolic flight guided by the environment, rather than winged darting.
I kept her original size for that test. The effect looks a lot better shrunk down, it emphasizes her dependence on the wind, but you've got to add something next to her like a falling leaf to help note the scale.
Sorry, didn't read the OP properly. I'm assuming you mean something like the dandelion in the promo? I haven't seen anything like that level of detail out of the box, no.
One way or another, you'd probably have to crack open an image editor to either edit the textures, or fix it all in post with something like the nik collection drawing out the detail. Something like Dfine 2 ought to do the trick. I think the nik collection is now free, with the warning that it's a Google product that almost certainly spies on you.
There's loads of decent fae environments though. DM has built a village, almost. Search "DM's Fairy".
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That sale is a total dissapointment. They call it "a taste of fae", but where's the cookware? The stove, oven, cook fire, or crock pot? A big old stock pot? Garnishes? Spices? Some skewers? A blender?
Did you see this in the store? http://www.daz3d.com/predatron-dandelions
I have the predatron dandelions... real nice. But just a heads up there is a dandelion currently in the free samples over at Xfrog. They come in various formats including obj, 3ds, and vue vob, and includes a couple of billboards. I forget what the usage rights are for the free ones.
Very nice render goose_chase, and thank you for the advice. I do like DM's fairy models and the other fae environments, but in this case I was looking for realistic, close up work. You are probably right, I'm not seeing a detailed, close up model anywhere. I certainly don't have the skills to model something like that so I'll have to use images. Not a terrible option, I'm pretty good with PS.
I did see predatron's Dandelions, but I wonder how they look when you have a fae standing on the leaf. Does it hold up to close work? And THANK YOU mrposer for the heads up about Xfrog, I'll get that model.
I hate to derail my own thread but I respectfully disagree with HorusRa. I too am not made of money, and outside of some contests wins I have yet to make a dime off of direct use of my new 3D skills, so I am very concerned about budgets and unit price here. Then again, I recently read an article (on RPG writers) on how they are underpaid. There are similar arguments to be made for artists in visual fields, in this article for example. That particular article has a somewhat extreme situation, countering that art should be free, but in all the "how to be an artist" books you get the same advice. Price your work to at a level to support your career. The products available at Daz are great, detailed, functional, and usually very satisfying for the uses they are put. The Dandelion set, for example, is beautiful, and appears highly detailed. I assume it took some hours to put it together, test, fix, configure, etc., to make it functional for sale here. If the cost of living is going up, why shouldn't the artist be compensated for not only his/her skill, but even just the sheer time that went into the product?
Of course the market is going to determine the actual cost. If a PA puts out only a few items, and marks them at a really high rate to compensate, they don't sell and the PA makes very little, no matter how good the work is. If they mark it too low, it sells tremendously, but the artist finds they cannot support themselves on this sort of work, and are forced to do something else, like digging ditches or office work. So while a set in the $20-$30 range might seem high, is it really? If you want to work with the products, you allocate your resources and get the product. If you just "like" the item, and it would be nice to have, but you really want something else, you don't purchase it. I love Stonemason stuff, but don't have much of it because it is usually out of my price range. Its beautiful and plenty of others think so, so it sells. I can't justify buying it just because I like it, even if I'm buying the other stuff just because I like it (if I'm not actually making money off my investment). Stonemason is obviously making some sort of career on his skill, justifiably, but unless I actually need and can afford some of those products, I can't justify the purchase. If I suddenly need a street scene, hopefully for a client, or just can't sleep until I get a street scene rendered, then I get it. But just owning a Stonemason street, and forgoing 10 or so PC+ items, doesn't make sense in my situation.
I'm not saying you are wrong to complain about pricing, I am saying that either way we are getting a great deal here and the artists deserve to make a real career at it.
I hope this didn't come off as too preachy, and I hope it was respectful as it is the furthest thing from my intention to just gainsay you. And here ends my rant :)
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Thanks for the clarification. I'm sure in the end we'll both end up buying that bundle, after a few months anyway when its part of a bigger sale
Flink at Rendo has a nice Dandelion set, here's a DS/Iray render with the default textures.
Thank you Taozen! I appreciate that. I like the leaves but the flower is a little iffy for me, and the seed heads are not what I'm looking for. They look good for a more standard scene, not one where the the stems are the size of tree trunks.
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They may be too small for what Joe needs them for, and understandably so for his needs, but I think Flinks catalogue just went on.....errr nevermind.
Well, I found a detailed model - but it is in tutorial form. I've only watched the first few minutes but it looks like a great model, and the animation of the "hairs" on the seed are great, but I'm not a modeller. So maybe its time I learned that? I dunno, I hardly have the time to do renders and mess with textures let alone learn to model.
Try Dfine 2 on a regular model. It's free, and it plugs into photoshop.
It draws out the details really quite well. You might have to render the background and characters separately, then fix the background and recompose.
There's a really quite good SSS package here that works on foliage, too, "Subsurface Workshop". That might fix the out of the box models satisfyingly up close, albeit adds to the render time something rotten.
My mistake, it's Sharpener Pro 3 in the Nik Collection. Still free, still plugs into photoshop elements and the like. (Still spies on your every mouseclick and beams it all back to Google to flog you rubbish etc etc)
Really quick test render attached, with attention to the crocus petals. This might do the job you have in mind.
Cool! Thanks for the suggestion g_c, I had never seen that before. I'm not to keen on Google sniffing me so maybe I'll try a torbrowser. Or just be lazy and let the man keep me down in yet another way.
There's a tiny tick box option to switch off the spyware during install. Don't blink or you'll miss it.
It's a very neat collection of useful and fun filter tools, all of which run in photoshop and some are stand alone too. I love the Analogue classic camera collection.