Kalea & Kimo 7

sriesch · May 2016

Although unfortunately I'm not using generation 7, I just wanted to say mahalo for Hawaiian characters, which have been missing! I'm looking forward to the art people create with them.

Novica · May 2016

Knittingmommy said:

Novica said:

Agree about that one hair, to me it's thin and not realistic looking. For the two characters, I find them disappointing as their noses look so much alike, usually when characters come out for a figure, there's more variation. The mouths are different but the noses are really similar and IMO they look a lot more similar to the main figure than the way other figures/characters are done.

With Ron's Underwater brushes the set goes down to the $43 range, that's the only reason I'm going Pro.

How is it getting to $43 range? All I get in the cart is $46 range. Am I missing something?

nope, its 46.

aaráribel caađo · May 2016

Khory said:

That pretty much covers it. PA's (who are the ones who do all the products for those bundles) are far less willing to do ethnic anything because then they run the risk of negativity about their work and by extensions themselves.

Kalea is a great example of how to do this right. If DAZ had chosen to chose non-stereotyped stuff with some vaguely "ethnic" stuff with previous releases, I'd have never cancelled my prime membership. I hope this is a sign of things to come, although what I'd really love is to see them do their next person of color in conjunction with a new theme, like the zombie/post-apocalypse theme they had a bit ago. Jam a bunch of cool stuff that's hitting on a new trend and use people of color.

Khory · May 2016

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aaráribel caađo said:

Khory said:

That pretty much covers it. PA's (who are the ones who do all the products for those bundles) are far less willing to do ethnic anything because then they run the risk of negativity about their work and by extensions themselves.

Kalea is a great example of how to do this right. If DAZ had chosen to chose non-stereotyped stuff with some vaguely "ethnic" stuff with previous releases, I'd have never cancelled my prime membership. I hope this is a sign of things to come, although what I'd really love is to see them do their next person of color in conjunction with a new theme, like the zombie/post-apocalypse theme they had a bit ago. Jam a bunch of cool stuff that's hitting on a new trend and use people of color.

The question begs to be asked.. Can they not be used in conjunction with all of the zombie/post-apocalypse themed products out? And I am sure that it is a "sign". I think though that it is a bit sad that the sign that we have been given is the only safe cultures/ethnic choices all come out of a western civ book. Anything else is going to be seen/turned into a negative and should be avoided.

ALLIEKATBLUE · May 2016

I agree with J Cade, the Lani hair is the best ethnic hair I've seen. It really looks like my own hair. Here is a quick render with FWSA Serena

aaráribel caađo · May 2016

Khory said:
The question begs to be asked.. Can they not be used in conjunction with all of the zombie/post-apocalypse themed products out? And I am sure that it is a "sign". I think though that it is a bit sad that the sign that we have been given is the only safe cultures/ethnic choices all come out of a western civ book. Anything else is going to be seen/turned into a negative and should be avoided.

The problem isn't that Mei Lin, for example, references Asian cultures. It's that there is one and only one Asian woman and Asian man, and they're both presented in the most stereotyped manner possible. It isn't that difficult to do something other than martial arts and still keep an Asian flair. Actually, Lee 7's pro bundle includes a great motorcycle set that has an Asian feel (it's definitely not Harley, you know?). If Mei Lin included a K-pop star outfit, woo-woo! Or some of that street wear going on in Japan that takes cosplay and mashes it up with random other stuff. That's very cool, very non-Western, and not a stereotype. Imagine if the they only had people of color other than Vicky and Mike, and those who, every generation, got cowboy outfits. And white actors had a hard time getting any role that wasn't a cowboy. White people might be a little sensitive about not having other representations of themselves. Look at the white character Pro bundles. Almost all of them contain not just theme outfits. Leo is a gladiator and space explorer, plus he has contemporary outfits. Vicky gets to be a bikini model or a lingerie model or, um, okay, not a good example. But Eve got to be… Okay, it was Karen that got to be a superhero. Before I shut up and leave this alone for good, I'll note I don't think anything bad about PAs. If DAZ never made an official character of color, the PAs still have that covered with a lot of great characters. Its really the Pro bundles and their reliance on stereotypes that's the problem. DAZ could easily fix this by either making more characters of color (win!) or putting less focus on the MOST stereotyped elements in the set. Put Lee's moto stuff up front. Give Mei Lin something other than martial arts outfits. And, please, please, please, don't ever think of offensive caricatures like the voodoo awefulness. I still shiver thinking about that.

lx_2807502 · May 2016

I feel like I'm a weird person, because when I look at Kalea or Mei Lin or whoever, I don't think "oh it's a color/ethnic person" just "it's a person." I don't care what ethnicity she's meant to be, or think any of it is badly made; Kalea's bundle just doesn't really add anything I particularly need, personally.

I definitely think that over reliance on sales figures and (sadly justified) fear of offending people has led to staler content. Everyone knows pinup poses for Victoria sell well, so we get a new set every week. Other stuff, not so much - but why don't some items sell well? Because they're unpopular things like males or whatever? Or is it the way that item is made or that specific style or did its biggest fans all buy too much popcorn that week and decide to wait for sales?

That said, I absolutely agree that Mei Lin's bundle would have been a lot stronger if she'd had things like k-pop themed bits or actual kimonos or even short cute summer yukatas or, well, anything that looked like an Asian thing that a human might actually wear (This is an extreme example, but a very well made accurate one that comes to mind.) Kalea's outfits are (mostly) nice enough things people would wear, which is refreshing, but they feel like they could as easily be from Victoria's extended collection. Maybe that's just the nature of beach being more universal, I don't know. Rambling.

Pack58 · May 2016

Personally I would love to see a Polynesian Character Pro Bundle with historical/fantasy/touristy versions of traditional garb, tools and instruments and that's no more stereotyping then a European Pro Pack with Forest Outlaw/Shiny Knight add ons.

What would be stereotyping is a Polynesian Bundle with only gang related paraphernalia and manual workers clothing.

Anyway I love the look of Kalea 7. Will get the Base figure in a couple of hours when my Bank Account refills and can't wait to start blending with Bethany and see how close to my cuzzies and daughters I can get.

Hanging out to see Kimo 7.

Serene Night · May 2016

I think the martial arts content must sell- or they wouldn't keep releasing it. It does nothing for me personally, though. But this is two years running Lee and Mei Lin have sported that theme so I don't see that anything has changed much unless it is a matter of a few weeks.

I don't honestly believe that Kalea's content was chosen to avoid ehtnic sterotypes. It looks like a quickly made bundle. I suspect the turnaround time from character creation to bundle was fairly short.

Of course the proof will be if future contents contain less Stereotyped stuff. We will see what happens next month with the new figures. We know that there is a character named Ivan coming out and someone named Lucian oh and of course we have Kimo.

Kharma · May 2016

I really like Kalea, but I would have liked some more traditional hawaiian type clothing and accessories for her, maybe those will come out tomorrow? Did some messing around with several morphs and came up with this render

Novica · May 2016

very nice Kharma!

lx_2807502 · May 2016

Serene Night said:

I think the martial arts content must sell- or they wouldn't keep releasing it. It does nothing for me personally, though. But this is two years running Lee and Mei Lin have sported that theme so I don't see that anything has changed much unless it is a matter of a few weeks.

I don't honestly believe that Kalea's content was chosen to avoid ehtnic sterotypes. It looks like a quickly made bundle. I suspect the turnaround time from character creation to bundle was fairly short.

Of course the proof will be if future contents contain less Stereotyped stuff. We will see what happens next month with the new figures. We know that there is a character named Ivan coming out and someone named Lucian oh and of course we have Kimo.

Upcoming we have Tween Julie, Sunny, and Aiko for females, and Ivan, Lucian, and unamed tween male and unnamed anime male.

Since Kalea fit the Hawaiin theme as expected, I wonder what Sunny's niche is going to be.

I definitely agree it feels as if this was assembled rather quickly though - maybe it's because Tween Julie got pushed back so that a male could be made (sheer speculation not presented as fact~)

JOdel · May 2016

I can't honestly say that I object to the summer gear in this bundle. I like it. It's really appropriate. Nor can I say that I object to the lack of an updated hula skirt. I will admit to being considerably bemused by the apparant need to throw in the silly spike-heeled fantasy set, even though it does have a rather nice top. And while I rather like the desert warrior getup (Ha! Try wearing *that* in a sandstorm!), I can't honestly say that I find that approriate, either. Both ot them are rather good outfits of their type. But it's a type I've seen rather too much of for the time being.

If I'd been given my 'druthers, I'd have liked to see, oh, I don't know, maybe a really pretty set of all-weather gear? It rains in the tropics. A lot. And you aren't always on the beach in a swimsuit when it does it. Or, if we have to get silly, some absurd pinup "captain's" outfit with a yaght cap or something. Or even nonsensical shipwreck stuff. There are all kinds of other themes that could be invoked. They don't have to be the ones they did use, and which could have been used for anyone.

ANGELREAPER1972 · May 2016

how about the kiwis/new zealenders/maori they're an interesting bunch the haka dance is cool probably use Kalea and Kimo as a base skin tone is close oh and I grabbed Kalea Pro straight away I liked her and the rest straight away sorry everyone but I did + the elephants all instant buys same with Mei Lin + Lee 7 pro

ANGELREAPER1972 · May 2016

in todays sale they have buy 2 or more new releases earn 20% off Kimo 7 sooo from that wording that means because I bought Kalea 7 pro + thinking of a couple of things at least in todays sale I'll get Kilmo 7 at 50% on top of probably the usual intro 30% off?

L'Adair · May 2016

ANGELREAPER1972 said:

in todays sale they have buy 2 or more new releases earn 20% off Kimo 7 sooo from that wording that means because I bought Kalea 7 pro + thinking of a couple of things at least in todays sale I'll get Kilmo 7 at 50% on top of probably the usual intro 30% off?

Based on stacking discounts, applying 30% for the new release and then 30% for owning Kalea works out to 51%. Then take off another 20% and you have almost 61% off the retail price. And if you're a PC+ member, there's another 30% discount in there. For example, Kimo 7 Pro should be:

PC members: (((($134.95 - 30%) - 30%) - 30%) - 20%) = $37.03

Non-Members: ((($134.95 - 30%) - 30%) - 20%) = $52.90

The above is assuming the cost of a pro bundle doesn't go up and that DAZ doesn't come up with any additional discounts for Kimo between now and the release...

xyer0 · May 2016

ALLIEKATBLUE said:

I agree with J Cade, the Lani hair is the best ethnic hair I've seen. It really looks like my own hair. Here is a quick render with FWSA Serena

That hair looks better in your render than it does on the product page. But if I could see a close-up I would know whether it really does the job. Thanks for posting it. Also, I did not know FWSA Serena had a body like that.

ANGELREAPER1972 · May 2016

L'Adair said:

ANGELREAPER1972 said:

in todays sale they have buy 2 or more new releases earn 20% off Kimo 7 sooo from that wording that means because I bought Kalea 7 pro + thinking of a couple of things at least in todays sale I'll get Kilmo 7 at 50% on top of probably the usual intro 30% off?

Based on stacking discounts, applying 30% for the new release and then 30% for owning Kalea works out to 51%. Then take off another 20% and you have almost 61% off the retail price. And if you're a PC+ member, there's another 30% discount in there. For example, Kimo 7 Pro should be:

PC members: (((($134.95 - 30%) - 30%) - 30%) - 20%) = $37.03

Non-Members: ((($134.95 - 30%) - 30%) - 20%) = $52.90

The above is assuming the cost of a pro bundle doesn't go up and that DAZ doesn't come up with any additional discounts for Kimo between now and the release...

good news in another thread Chris Palomino confirmed the discounts will be stacked :)

Kharma · May 2016

Novica said:

very nice Kharma!

Thankyou :) would look better with a light background but I always forget when you render with no background it ends up black when you post

RCDeschene · May 2016

Okay, how the hell do my eyes keep missing the discount on the male counterpart offers? O_o

Novica · May 2016

Here's one with the Lani Hair. I postworked at the forehead though, added more strands. Also reduced her bust.

AlienRenders · May 2016

"Also reduced her bust."

Obviously not the advice taken by the promo of the Denim Jumpsuit. LOL! I personally don't mind. But that dial must go to 11. At least it's not as bad as the G3F poser plugin at Rendo.

Vhardamis · May 2016

I know folks harped on the older bundles because they think they are a sterotype but i'm of the minority on that. I'd prefer to have a theme in my bundle than just more of the same. I skipped the pro bundle this time because i didn't want/need a 5,345,623 version of a rediculously spike heeled fantasy outfit. I would have loved more Hawaiin authentic clothing instead. I genuinely feel bad for the PA's It really sucks (and must be frustrating) that its impossible to please everyone.

And don't get me started on the seperate UV garbage. There is no reason for them. Period. Unless its an extreme stretch like a creature type or the Girl.

Serene Night · May 2016

Novica said:

Here's one with the Lani Hair. I postworked at the forehead though, added more strands. Also reduced her bust.

Nice render! I like your adjustments! I tried this hair on a man and it looks pretty good as well for a certain type of character.

ZamuelNow · May 2016

The Lani hair actually brings about a recurring worry over the past 1-2 years that there's some genuine problems with Daz Original promo renders of some vendor buyout products (not all of them obviously). However, the various "hair like mine" comments seem like something the vendor should take to heart as a major positive. People are recognizing it as well done.

As far as bundles, the complaints stem from multiple factors overlapping. I think the most worrying thing is the fact that a lot things said during those discussions actually needed to be said. Kalea may have shifted too far into the the generic column. The interesting thing that seems to not be noted is that people disliked the stereotypical fantasy African stuff but they're asking for authentic Hawaiian clothing. Especially worth noting that some vendors with such content left the Daz store so there is an actual gulf there that this didn't meet.

JOdel · May 2016

I suspect that part of the issue over the African stuff is that it wasn't particularly African. It was westernized African; i.e., voodoo, as associated with the American south, rather than whatever that originally was based on among the tribes of Africa.

I don't think there'd have been nearly the fuss if Monique and Darius had shipped with tribal gear, or clothing as worn by Africans in Africa. (Take one look at the Massai Finery set for Dawn over at Hivewire, and tell me that anyone would have had any objection to seeing a variant of that.)

caravelle · May 2016

JOdel said:

I don't think there'd have been nearly the fuss if Monique and Darius had shipped with tribal gear, or clothing as worn by Africans in Africa. (Take one look at the Massai Finery set for Dawn over at Hivewire, and tell me that anyone would have had any objection to seeing a variant of that.)

That's the point. The Voodoo sets were nicely made, but they were more or less ethnocentric Hollywood fantasy. Africa has so many magnificent clothing styles - why didn't they take the real stuff? E.g. West Africa with its elegant embroidered Boubous and its elaborate, lavish hand dyed ladies' dresses definitely made a great contribution to fashion and culture. But no, for some mysterious reason it always has to be Hollywood. Dear Daz, please realise that many of your customers have higher standards...

Now for my personal ethnocentrism : Kalea in a 'Hawaiian' outfit.

I don't know what Kalea and the little girl are watching, but it must be something pleasant. Maybe a beautiful bird?

The 'Hawaiian' outfits are the results of a heavy kitbash: I took Wilmap's 'G2F Carribbean Outfit' for Kalea and her 'Shorts and Top for G3F' plus the Himation from the 'Hellenic' outfit for the girl. The flowers and the wreath are from RDNA (Petals Tropicana). Kalea's pose is from Feral Fey's 'Trouble Brewing' set, etc. It's all a bit too colourful for my taste, but I hope you like it.

caravelle · May 2016

P.S.: Meanwhile I have Lani Hair, and yes - it's great!!!

Vhardamis · May 2016

caravelle said:

JOdel said:

I don't think there'd have been nearly the fuss if Monique and Darius had shipped with tribal gear, or clothing as worn by Africans in Africa. (Take one look at the Massai Finery set for Dawn over at Hivewire, and tell me that anyone would have had any objection to seeing a variant of that.)

That's the point. The Voodoo sets were nicely made, but they were more or less ethnocentric Hollywood fantasy. Africa has so many magnificent clothing styles - why didn't they take the real stuff? E.g. West Africa with its elegant embroidered Boubous and its elaborate, lavish hand dyed ladies' dresses definitely made a great contribution to fashion and culture. But no, for some mysterious reason it always has to be Hollywood. Dear Daz, please realise that many of your customers have higher standards...

Now for my personal ethnocentrism : Kalea in a 'Hawaiian' outfit.

I don't know what Kalea and the little girl are watching, but it must be something pleasant. Maybe a beautiful bird?

The 'Hawaiian' outfits are the results of a heavy kitbash: I took Wilmap's 'G2F Carribbean Outfit' for Kalea and her 'Shorts and Top for G3F' plus the Himation from the 'Hellenic' outfit for the girl. The flowers and the wreath are from RDNA (Petals Tropicana). Kalea's pose is from Feral Fey's 'Trouble Brewing' set, etc. It's all a bit too colourful for my taste, but I hope you like it.

This is a great picture. There's no such thing as too colorful for me. Why yes my nickname at work is Rainbow Brite why do you ask? :)

3Diva · May 2016

Kalea 7 is very pretty! I'm glad to see more diverse characters being added to the Daz People universe. But as someone who is both new to 3D and on a very very limited budget all I can do is sit back and watch and hope that it's not too long before she goes on a mega sale. lol The newly released figures are just way out of my budget. I get to live vacariously through those of you with a bigger budget though, so please be generous with posting your renders of her! I'd love to see more of her in the galleries and forum. :)

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