Quick Question About Photoshop

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,759
    Ivy said:

    Which feature or tools you looking for Ice Dragon Art?.

    The warp tool that lets you wrap a texture around something is the main one.  that and the pen tool to outline something quickly to cut it out of a scene.  They have the transform tool but it doesn't do what the warp tool does.  And yes, I can go around and cut things out with a couple of the other tools but the pen tool is far far faster and more accurate and follows curves better.  and I suck at the other methods lol. There are a couple more that I can't think of off hand.  Nothing that will make or break a project (except the warp tool would be something I would probably use every single time as well as the pen tool).

  • KnittingmommyKnittingmommy Posts: 8,191
    fastbike1 said:

    People really don't seem to take the time to understand various products and options once the word "cloud" appears. For example, Photoshop CC2015 isn't "cloud based". The software resides on your PC/Mac. Updates are delivered through the internet just like everything else. Your art resides wherever you put it: internal drive, external drive, Adobe cloud, dropbox etc.

    FWIW, Elements doesn't offer anywhre near the tools that Photshop has. It may offer enough for a user but it's not really close.

    Just so we're clear, I don't really care which personal choices people make, just don't like seeing people make choices based on incomplete / incorrect information. i suppose, i should probably stop caring about that as well.

    Just remember, all choices have consequences.

    My understanding of how the Photoshop cloud thing works though, is that once you stop the subscription, the program stops working otherwise you could sub for one month and have the program for that $10.  If they did it this way, everyone would be trying to get the program for the initial $10 investment.  Is this not the case?

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    fastbike1 said:

    People really don't seem to take the time to understand various products and options once the word "cloud" appears. For example, Photoshop CC2015 isn't "cloud based". The software resides on your PC/Mac. Updates are delivered through the internet just like everything else. Your art resides wherever you put it: internal drive, external drive, Adobe cloud, dropbox etc.

    FWIW, Elements doesn't offer anywhre near the tools that Photshop has. It may offer enough for a user but it's not really close.

    Just so we're clear, I don't really care which personal choices people make, just don't like seeing people make choices based on incomplete / incorrect information. i suppose, i should probably stop caring about that as well.

    Just remember, all choices have consequences.

    My understanding of how the Photoshop cloud thing works though, is that once you stop the subscription, the program stops working otherwise you could sub for one month and have the program for that $10.  If they did it this way, everyone would be trying to get the program for the initial $10 investment.  Is this not the case?

    Way back when they first started the CC subscription plan, I contacted Support and they made it very clear... it doesn't matter how long you subscribe, one year or one decade, when you end the subscription, you no longer have even limited access to the program(s).

    For a fall back, they recommend CS6. That begs the question of support for CS6. If you subscribe to CC for ten years and then stop, will you still be able to use CS6 on the then current version of Windows or Mac operating systems? Either way, not a very nice way to treat your loyal customer base.

  • KnittingmommyKnittingmommy Posts: 8,191
    L'Adair said:
    fastbike1 said:

    People really don't seem to take the time to understand various products and options once the word "cloud" appears. For example, Photoshop CC2015 isn't "cloud based". The software resides on your PC/Mac. Updates are delivered through the internet just like everything else. Your art resides wherever you put it: internal drive, external drive, Adobe cloud, dropbox etc.

    FWIW, Elements doesn't offer anywhre near the tools that Photshop has. It may offer enough for a user but it's not really close.

    Just so we're clear, I don't really care which personal choices people make, just don't like seeing people make choices based on incomplete / incorrect information. i suppose, i should probably stop caring about that as well.

    Just remember, all choices have consequences.

    My understanding of how the Photoshop cloud thing works though, is that once you stop the subscription, the program stops working otherwise you could sub for one month and have the program for that $10.  If they did it this way, everyone would be trying to get the program for the initial $10 investment.  Is this not the case?

    Way back when they first started the CC subscription plan, I contacted Support and they made it very clear... it doesn't matter how long you subscribe, one year or one decade, when you end the subscription, you no longer have even limited access to the program(s).

    For a fall back, they recommend CS6. That begs the question of support for CS6. If you subscribe to CC for ten years and then stop, will you still be able to use CS6 on the then current version of Windows or Mac operating systems? Either way, not a very nice way to treat your loyal customer base.

    Yep, that is what I thought.  Not very much incentive for me to give it a try.

  • KA1KA1 Posts: 1,012
    I've subscribed to photoshop for just 3 months less than I started using Daz, I don't regret it. To be honest I use photoshop more than I use Netflix, I still subscribe to Netflix though. When they sold PS it would have taken an age for me to save to buy it, now I can use the latest version as and when as long as I subscribe which is fine with me. Tried gimp a few times but just can't get on with it. Just my 2 cents.
  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,316

    Right. The software is on your computer, but when you launch it, it generally phones the mother ship to check on whether there is a valid subscription for it in the database. I am pretty sure that it will still run without internet access, but that's where the hitch would be if there is one.

    And you aren't forced to upgrade until you deliberately chose to, which makes sense if you aren't running the latest OS. You are entitled to install any available update that comes out any time you choose to, since the updates are all included with the subscription.

    I've never used Elements, since I was already using the Professional-level stuff at work and wanted to keep in step, but I seem to recall that it at least *used* to be limited to RGB mode (which is supported by most inkjets, but not necessarily by service bureaus) and there were a few other limitations not in the full Photoshop program. Otoh, it also comes with a swarm of templates that a lot of people got a lot of good use out of.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited April 2016
    Ivy said:

    Which feature or tools you looking for Ice Dragon Art?.

    The warp tool that lets you wrap a texture around something is the main one.  that and the pen tool to outline something quickly to cut it out of a scene.  They have the transform tool but it doesn't do what the warp tool does.  And yes, I can go around and cut things out with a couple of the other tools but the pen tool is far far faster and more accurate and follows curves better.  and I suck at the other methods lol. There are a couple more that I can't think of off hand.  Nothing that will make or break a project (except the warp tool would be something I would probably use every single time as well as the pen tool).

    Yea wraping is cool, I like the render layer features as well.  Plus Photoshop has a way better Brush palette manager, plus more Layer options

    I have CS3-  CS5.5 Master set.  But I bought Elements Premiere 11 for the fx plugins and got a very good deal on it at the time if I bought Photoshop elements as well.  I think I got both $79  where I paid like $1400 for Creative suite5.5 being a early adopter back in 2013.  Photoshop CS5.5 has a 3d extension feature which is nice because I can paint Obj's  Directly in Photoshop ,Plus the full Photoshop version you can create your own HDRi,s , and do minor film frame corrections.  I can understand where ya coming from.

    Personally for me I see no need reason to pay for a cloud app that I would have to continuously pay a subscription for, to use.I stopped buying adobe products once they went cloud.  I figure my 5 years old Standalone  Creative suite Photoshop functions just fine and has paid for it self.  I don,t think Adobe offers anything but the Creative cloud products now unless its a elements brand. I could not find cs6 to see how much it was,.   I did see though you can get just the Photoshop CC for 9.99 a month or $99 a year But after your subscriptions up , you pretty much loose its functionality.  

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  • VhardamisVhardamis Posts: 576
    edited April 2016
    Ivy said:

     I could not find cs6 to see how much it was,.  

    I did and promptly cried. Amazon has it for anywhere from 1,500.oo to 5,000.00 bucks o_0 Even 4 and 5.5 are insanely priced because the sellers know people aren't happy with the rental version.

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  • VhardamisVhardamis Posts: 576

    And if you do decide to go the Sub rate make sure you go month to month not yearly. Cancelling early on yearly cost you bucks:

    "Should you cancel after 14 days, you’ll be charged 50% of your remaining contract obligation and your service will continue until the end of that month’s billing period."

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,759
    Vhardamis said:

    And if you do decide to go the Sub rate make sure you go month to month not yearly. Cancelling early on yearly cost you bucks:

    "Should you cancel after 14 days, you’ll be charged 50% of your remaining contract obligation and your service will continue until the end of that month’s billing period."

    Ah thank you good advice.  Ya, no way can I afford $1500.00.  I didn't realize that you could make your own HDR's that sounds interesting as well...

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479

    I didn't realize Adobe stopped selling CS6. I haven't paid any attention to them since they introduced the CC line up. Back then, Adobe said they would continue to license CS6. Guess I lucked out when I upgraded to 5.5 the month before 6.0 came out. (Got 6.0 at no additional cost.) Didn't mean to lead you astray...

  • joeyteeljoeyteel Posts: 65
    edited April 2016
    L'Adair said:

    I didn't realize Adobe stopped selling CS6. I haven't paid any attention to them since they introduced the CC line up. Back then, Adobe said they would continue to license CS6. Guess I lucked out when I upgraded to 5.5 the month before 6.0 came out. (Got 6.0 at no additional cost.) Didn't mean to lead you astray...

    It's still available, but as it says on http://www.adobe.com/products/cs6.html you have to call and order it by phone, and deal with them trying to convince you that you're making a terrible mistake the entire time. At least that's what happened when a friend of mine tried recently.

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  • KnittingmommyKnittingmommy Posts: 8,191
    Vhardamis said:

    And if you do decide to go the Sub rate make sure you go month to month not yearly. Cancelling early on yearly cost you bucks:

    "Should you cancel after 14 days, you’ll be charged 50% of your remaining contract obligation and your service will continue until the end of that month’s billing period."

    Ah thank you good advice.  Ya, no way can I afford $1500.00.  I didn't realize that you could make your own HDR's that sounds interesting as well...

    I think you can sort of do your own HDRIs in Bryce, too.  I think Horo? is the one of the pair that has a video on sort of faking it and making an HDRI type image in Bryce that you can then export and use in DS.  I'll have to track down that video and PM you with it sometime.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    joeyteel said:
    L'Adair said:

    I didn't realize Adobe stopped selling CS6. I haven't paid any attention to them since they introduced the CC line up. Back then, Adobe said they would continue to license CS6. Guess I lucked out when I upgraded to 5.5 the month before 6.0 came out. (Got 6.0 at no additional cost.) Didn't mean to lead you astray...

    It's still available, but as it says on http://www.adobe.com/products/cs6.html you have to call and order it by phone, and deal with them trying to convince you that you're making a terrible mistake the entire time. At least that's what happened when a friend of mine tried recently.

    Such a shame. They used to be one of my favorite companies.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited April 2016

    removed double post sorry

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited April 2016
    Ivy said:
    Vhardamis said:
    Ivy said:

     I could not find cs6 to see how much it was,.  

    I did and promptly cried. Amazon has it for anywhere from 1,500.oo to 5,000.00 bucks o_0 Even 4 and 5.5 are insanely priced because the sellers know people aren't happy with the rental version.

     You can download the CS5.5  from the Adobe site.  but you will need a working serial number in order for it to install. . when I bought the upgrade to CS5.5 it required I had a pior cs4 or cs 5 serial number in order for the upgrade to go through.  I won't be giving up my creative suite for a cloud service, no way no how..lol .. Whats kind of funny,  for being a long time customer of adobes Master collection and a 4 year ambassador endorsing their products they gave me a free cloud service i never used. So when i was checking over my account last night  I noticed I still have my free CC cloud account. and still have no interest in using it..lol

     

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165

    I didn't realize that you could make your own HDR's that sounds interesting as well...

    In Photoshop CS5 & 5.5 3d-extended . you can create HDRi Light sources Layers on Panoramic images, and have the option to export them in 2 types of HDRi images formats.  Adobe offers tons of royalty free stock images to work with if you have an Adobe account.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,759

    I think you can sort of do your own HDRIs in Bryce, too.  I think Horo? is the one of the pair that has a video on sort of faking it and making an HDRI type image in Bryce that you can then export and use in DS.  I'll have to track down that video and PM you with it sometime.

    That would be awesome.  I have Bryce and really need to spend a bit more time in it.

     

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,078

    This was my point about misunderstanding the cloud. You are correct in that you cannot use the program when the subscription runs out. Cloud based for this means that the program resides in the cloud rather than resident on yout machine. If truly cloud based, you MUST be connected to the internet to use the software.  You do not have to be connected to the net to use Photoshop CC2015 (yes I know you have to periodically connect to validate the subscription). Adobe explains all of this. Perhaps I tilt at windmills.

    fastbike1 said:

    People really don't seem to take the time to understand various products and options once the word "cloud" appears. For example, Photoshop CC2015 isn't "cloud based". The software resides on your PC/Mac. Updates are delivered through the internet just like everything else. Your art resides wherever you put it: internal drive, external drive, Adobe cloud, dropbox etc.

    FWIW, Elements doesn't offer anywhre near the tools that Photshop has. It may offer enough for a user but it's not really close.

    Just so we're clear, I don't really care which personal choices people make, just don't like seeing people make choices based on incomplete / incorrect information. i suppose, i should probably stop caring about that as well.

    Just remember, all choices have consequences.

    My understanding of how the Photoshop cloud thing works though, is that once you stop the subscription, the program stops working otherwise you could sub for one month and have the program for that $10.  If they did it this way, everyone would be trying to get the program for the initial $10 investment.  Is this not the case?

     

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,251
    joeyteel said:
    L'Adair said:

    I didn't realize Adobe stopped selling CS6. I haven't paid any attention to them since they introduced the CC line up. Back then, Adobe said they would continue to license CS6. Guess I lucked out when I upgraded to 5.5 the month before 6.0 came out. (Got 6.0 at no additional cost.) Didn't mean to lead you astray...

    It's still available, but as it says on http://www.adobe.com/products/cs6.html you have to call and order it by phone, and deal with them trying to convince you that you're making a terrible mistake the entire time. At least that's what happened when a friend of mine tried recently.

    Do you happen to know how much Adobe is charging for Photosop CS6 and / or Photosop CS6 extended if you do phone?

  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,126

    I used to always upgrade, but I don't like the rental so I passed on it. Doesn't seem right that I could pay for two years and then if I don't wish to continue that I can't use the software anymore. And that post above about cancelling after 14 days is a triple turn off.

    Besides I don't use Photoshop every day, anymore than I use Office so the rental program doesn't seem worth it to me.

    Further more, I don't want to encourage other companies to do this by helping make it a success.

    I don't think anyone mentioned it, but Corel Paint Shop Pro is a worthy replacement for Photoshop and it costs way less.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited April 2016
    KevinH said:

    I used to always upgrade, but I don't like the rental so I passed on it. Doesn't seem right that I could pay for two years and then if I don't wish to continue that I can't use the software anymore. And that post above about cancelling after 14 days is a triple turn off.

    Besides I don't use Photoshop every day, anymore than I use Office so the rental program doesn't seem worth it to me.

    Further more, I don't want to encourage other companies to do this by helping make it a success.

    I don't think anyone mentioned it, but Corel Paint Shop Pro is a worthy replacement for Photoshop and it costs way less.

    Printshop pro is awesome very easy to use.  It came free with Some ram sticks I bought at Tiger direct.  
     And your right about MS office 365 cloud. I only have Office 10 pro because it came with my system when i bought it from IBuy Powers.  But why buy Office 365 cloud  .. there so many better options for free now like google docs.  Open Office.org. etc

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,067
    fastbike1 said:

    This was my point about misunderstanding the cloud. You are correct in that you cannot use the program when the subscription runs out. Cloud based for this means that the program resides in the cloud rather than resident on yout machine. If truly cloud based, you MUST be connected to the internet to use the software.  You do not have to be connected to the net to use Photoshop CC2015 (yes I know you have to periodically connect to validate the subscription). Adobe explains all of this. Perhaps I tilt at windmills.

    fastbike1 said:

    People really don't seem to take the time to understand various products and options once the word "cloud" appears. For example, Photoshop CC2015 isn't "cloud based". The software resides on your PC/Mac. Updates are delivered through the internet just like everything else. Your art resides wherever you put it: internal drive, external drive, Adobe cloud, dropbox etc.

    FWIW, Elements doesn't offer anywhre near the tools that Photshop has. It may offer enough for a user but it's not really close.

    Just so we're clear, I don't really care which personal choices people make, just don't like seeing people make choices based on incomplete / incorrect information. i suppose, i should probably stop caring about that as well.

    Just remember, all choices have consequences.

    My understanding of how the Photoshop cloud thing works though, is that once you stop the subscription, the program stops working otherwise you could sub for one month and have the program for that $10.  If they did it this way, everyone would be trying to get the program for the initial $10 investment.  Is this not the case?

    The applications is not in the cloud, and you can use it for a while off-line (I can't recall how often it needs to reverify, at one stage I think it was up to three months between checks).

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