Male outfit dryup

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    All I can say with the bevy of female content hitting lately, saves me money.  I'm cool with that!  lol

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    Well for me the bra & panties isn't what's being sold in most of those products listed but the various accessories and weaponry and pose sets and so on. They use the bra & panties as a selling point ike Hooters but thery aren't actually on sale as part of the product.

    So if you are a PA who knows how to make oily, shiny skin that makes the scene look more realistic looking than had you used some clothing sets which often look flat and/or have that DAZ Studio Conforming Clothing look, then you go with the shiny, oily skin despite naked ninjas being totally unrealistic. That's much faster and time saving although it probably ultimately hurts sales because some people will zone out whenever they see another bra & panty ad as not what they are looking for. So all these bra & panty sale ads are misleading you as to what is actually on sale if you don't take a closer look at the products which really is already a big job.

    It would be nice if you could better preview what's in a product without a download. The product listings are often wrong and the extras using in the products to create the ad copy often distract from what the product actually is.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    But the bottom line really is: Why go through all that effort when I can just make a simple bra and panty set and get my money? That's what I think no one is getting after the 14th or more thread on this issue.  You're simply not going to convince a vendor to do more work with there's an easier path they can take.

    The thing is there's no one bottom line. Some vendors are ok with a product not making as MUCH money as other products... they just don't want to end up with an absolute clunker on their hands that NOBODY buys.

    People being willing to chip in some basic level of funds can help this second group not utterly waste their time.

     

    I mean, by that reasoning, the market of creatures, aliens, monsters, and many other items that are in the store wouldn't exist. But they do. Clearly people aren't JUST motivated by 'most sales.'

     

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,584

    But the bottom line really is: Why go through all that effort when I can just make a simple bra and panty set and get my money? That's what I think no one is getting after the 14th or more thread on this issue.  You're simply not going to convince a vendor to do more work with there's an easier path they can take.

    The thing is there's no one bottom line. Some vendors are ok with a product not making as MUCH money as other products... they just don't want to end up with an absolute clunker on their hands that NOBODY buys.

    People being willing to chip in some basic level of funds can help this second group not utterly waste their time.

     

    I mean, by that reasoning, the market of creatures, aliens, monsters, and many other items that are in the store wouldn't exist. But they do. Clearly people aren't JUST motivated by 'most sales.'

     

    I think the thing you missed is that if they are willing to accept less for a product, it is because it is something the PA wants to do, not because you have persuaded them. So we're back at that bottom line: you won't convince them to do the extra work when they have an easier path. If a vendor was actually interested in a "chip in" method, you probably would have seen something by now. A brokerage model is probably not the place for kickstarter, not when the brokerage is set up sell finished products.
  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    a chocolate syrup drippings outfit for g2m cheeky  could use the goop shaders 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729
    edited April 2016
    MistyMist said:

    a chocolate syrup drippings outfit for g2m cheeky  could use the goop shaders 

    There is a Pancake Man Drippings Modeling Tutorial at CG Cookie. If it didn't have the man wearing them the pancakes look deliciously edible.

    As far as paying in advance for products - not a chance from me. Even the with listings for existing products, figuring out what is is a product offers is already iffy for a lot of products. And I'm going to pay in advance for a product promise that necessarily even less is known about? No. There are a few products I should of asked for a refund for but didn't. 

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    MistyMist said:

    a chocolate syrup drippings outfit for g2m cheeky  could use the goop shaders 

    There is a Pancake Man Drippings Modeling Tutorial at CG Cookie. If it didn't have the man wearing them the pancakes look deliciously edible.

    As far as paying in advance for products - not a chance from me. Even the with listings for existing products, figuring out what is is a product offers is already iffy for a lot of products. And I'm going to pay in advance for a product promise that neccarily even less is known about? No. There are a few products I should of asked for a refund for but didn't. 


    maple syrup  hmm, high translucency?
    tee hee, am i spposed to eat the man or the pancakes?

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085
    I think the thing you missed is that if they are willing to accept less for a product, it is because it is something the PA wants to do, not because you have persuaded them. So we're back at that bottom line: you won't convince them to do the extra work when they have an easier path. If a vendor was actually interested in a "chip in" method, you probably would have seen something by now. A brokerage model is probably not the place for kickstarter, not when the brokerage is set up sell finished products.

    And the point I think you keep missing is that it's a sliding scale.

    That a PA might be willing to do something that's only 80% of what they could make doing something else, but not something that's 10%.

     

  • I think the thing you missed is that if they are willing to accept less for a product, it is because it is something the PA wants to do, not because you have persuaded them. So we're back at that bottom line: you won't convince them to do the extra work when they have an easier path. If a vendor was actually interested in a "chip in" method, you probably would have seen something by now. A brokerage model is probably not the place for kickstarter, not when the brokerage is set up sell finished products.

    And the point I think you keep missing is that it's a sliding scale.

    That a PA might be willing to do something that's only 80% of what they could make doing something else, but not something that's 10%.

     

    That's the thing, Will; many PA's base what they will do for a new figure on how a similar item they made for a previous generation did,so if a give item type did not sell well for Genesis 2 Males, for example, they will be less willing to do a version of that for G3M.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I'd like more unisex outfits, outfits designed for both genders especially combat stuff. I'm not really into the sexy combat look so those kinds of outfits are lost on me.

    In general though, I do wish that pro packs had more variety since we get so little Genesis 3 male outfits, it is kind of a bummer to get clothing that's all one theme or less general use like Martial Arts outfits, etc.

     

     

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    That's the thing, Will; many PA's base what they will do for a new figure on how a similar item they made for a previous generation did,so if a give item type did not sell well for Genesis 2 Males, for example, they will be less willing to do a version of that for G3M.

    Of course.

    The point is that they are having to make a decision based on very speculative information. Maybe people will want stuff for G3M differently than they did for G2M. Maybe the particular design approach in G2M is different from G3M and people just didn't want it at the time. Maybe... there's a ton of maybes.

    Having people ACTUALLY say 'yes, I am putting money to this' means some of that uncertainty goes away. Some, not all.

     

    I mean, there have been several cases where people have said 'This G2M product did way worse than this G2F product.' But in a bunch of those cases, I've gone 'yeah, but I like the stuff in that G2F more, and I can adapt it to G2M.'

    Like the hoodie example. I liked the G3F hoodie pack more than the G2M hoodie stuff. They weren't the same, they were similar, but at least _my_ difference in buying one vs another is based on details that go beyond gender. But there's no way for a PA to know that.

     

    It's like when Catwoman failed and executives decided 'oh, people don't want supers movies with female leads.' No, people just didn't like that movie.

     

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,584
    I think the thing you missed is that if they are willing to accept less for a product, it is because it is something the PA wants to do, not because you have persuaded them. So we're back at that bottom line: you won't convince them to do the extra work when they have an easier path. If a vendor was actually interested in a "chip in" method, you probably would have seen something by now. A brokerage model is probably not the place for kickstarter, not when the brokerage is set up sell finished products.

    And the point I think you keep missing is that it's a sliding scale.

    That a PA might be willing to do something that's only 80% of what they could make doing something else, but not something that's 10%.

     

    The difference is nowhere near 80%. That's why there's a gap in clothing, thus another one of these threads.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,924
    JoeQuick said:

    This made the same money in two months that this made in two years.

    It could be a bit of apples and oranges as to why the first one sold better. I don't think it was just the style.  The second one, for the top, it was dark textures and yellow, that doesn't play well when you try to use the Surface base color to get a different color.  Grey, Red, Yellow, Black were the choices. But the first one, you offer white AND off white, and a slew of colors for the top.  Compare the first one to this:

    • Black
    • Blue
    • Green
    • Grey
    • Hot Pink
    • Off White
    • Red
    • White
    • Yellow

    People kit-bash and it depends not only on style, but your colors and what we can do with them. And FYI, I really like your outfits! Just try including a white top if you think about it?

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085
    Male, if that was the only factor nobody would ever make male clothing. Clearly, other factors are in play. What I suggest would help, not make the issue go away entirely.
  • BeeMKay said:

    You are getting at this the wrong way. The main idea is to put the male characters into female outfits, the skimpier, the better. That's equal clothing opportunity for you. wink

    You want G3M in some skimpy clothing. Here you go! -- Challenge taken.

    J

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    BeeMKay said:

    You are getting at this the wrong way. The main idea is to put the male characters into female outfits, the skimpier, the better. That's equal clothing opportunity for you. wink

    You want G3M in some skimpy clothing. Here you go! -- Challenge taken.

    J

     

    top with syrup

  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,365
    JoeQuick said:

    This made the same money in two months that this made in two years.

    Your principal promo for boy cloth doesn't help. If others buyers are like me, then they don't visit the product's page if the principal promo is not promising, they don't read the list of thing contained in the product, they don't see the little promos in the product page, they turn their heads toward a product with an image that clearly set which is the content and looks interesting.

    This clearly do it...but is not the principal promo, which is without bat, chain, mask, jockey stuff, nor hoodie. All the stuff that add flavour to your product aren't in the principal promo.

    It is the first time that I see this complementary promo. 

    The principal promo for girl is focused in this fantastic boots and leg warmers, and says "outfit", so it is quickly understood that we get the fantastic boots+legwarmers, the mini skirt and the top stuff. In fact I saw the guy in last promo for her too, but I didn't know that he was a product.

     

     

  • Male, if that was the only factor nobody would ever make male clothing. Clearly, other factors are in play. What I suggest would help, not make the issue go away entirely.

     Some male clothing has to be made, simply for the bundles that get sold at major character releases.

    GiGi_7 said:
    JoeQuick said:

    This made the same money in two months that this made in two years.

    Your principal promo for boy cloth doesn't help. If others buyers are like me, then they don't visit the product's page if the principal promo is not promising, they don't read the list of thing contained in the product, they don't see the little promos in the product page, they turn their heads toward a product with an image that clearly set which is the content and looks interesting.

    This clearly do it...but is not the principal promo, which is without bat, chain, mask, jockey stuff, nor hoodie. All the stuff that add flavour to your product aren't in the principal promo.

    It is the first time that I see this complementary promo. 

    The principal promo for girl is focused in this fantastic boots and leg warmers, and says "outfit", so it is quickly understood that we get the fantastic boots+legwarmers, the mini skirt and the top stuff. In fact I saw the guy in last promo for her too, but I didn't know that he was a product.

     

     

    I'm going to have to disagree, since the "extra items" that came wuth the male set aren't really the stuff he wanted to focus on, which is what the main promotional image is supposed to contain.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,584
    Male, if that was the only factor nobody would ever make male clothing. Clearly, other factors are in play. What I suggest would help, not make the issue go away entirely.

    As a seller of male content I would disagree with you. Vendors pretty much know the general amount of sales they can potentially get from the market place and those factors pretty much say that 80% you previously said is out of the question in terms of sales. What you're suggesting would require changes to the software, which for the amount of male clothing that is sold in comparison most likely won't happen. That's why the easist and quickest method to keep the clothing coming is to support those that do make male clothing financially, especially those that are just starting. If you encourage them to keep making clothing you will get more clothing, if not, they will simply join the other vendors in making female clothiing.

  • 3Ddreamer3Ddreamer Posts: 1,340
    edited April 2016
    MistyMist said:
    MistyMist said:

    a chocolate syrup drippings outfit for g2m cheeky  could use the goop shaders 

    Maple syrup  hmm, high translucency?
    tee hee, am i spposed to eat the man or the pancakes?

    I tried chocolate first, but I think Honey worked better wink Sorry no Maple Syrup in Mec4D's pack. Of course what you do with him is up to you. smiley

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  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,584
    Male, if that was the only factor nobody would ever make male clothing. Clearly, other factors are in play. What I suggest would help, not make the issue go away entirely.

     Some male clothing has to be made, simply for the bundles that get sold at major character releases.

    GiGi_7 said:
    JoeQuick said:

    This made the same money in two months that this made in two years.

    Your principal promo for boy cloth doesn't help. If others buyers are like me, then they don't visit the product's page if the principal promo is not promising, they don't read the list of thing contained in the product, they don't see the little promos in the product page, they turn their heads toward a product with an image that clearly set which is the content and looks interesting.

    This clearly do it...but is not the principal promo, which is without bat, chain, mask, jockey stuff, nor hoodie. All the stuff that add flavour to your product aren't in the principal promo.

    It is the first time that I see this complementary promo. 

    The principal promo for girl is focused in this fantastic boots and leg warmers, and says "outfit", so it is quickly understood that we get the fantastic boots+legwarmers, the mini skirt and the top stuff. In fact I saw the guy in last promo for her too, but I didn't know that he was a product.

     

     

    I'm going to have to disagree, since the "extra items" that came wuth the male set aren't really the stuff he wanted to focus on, which is what the main promotional image is supposed to contain.

    Also as a main promo that would be way too busy to show for a product. Besides if I see male clothing I'm looking at the other promos and the description to see what it contains. If someone just skips over a product because of a main promo they don't like, then they do themselves a disservice when they say no one is making male clothing but not doing thorough enough investigation into the product. I used parts of this product for my own promos as I could mix and match items.

  • VhardamisVhardamis Posts: 576

    You want G3M in some skimpy clothing. Here you go! -- Challenge taken.

    J

    Yes! Someone's been visiting Tim Curry's closet and wearing it fabulously! Well done Sir.

  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,365
    Male, if that was the only factor nobody would ever make male clothing. Clearly, other factors are in play. What I suggest would help, not make the issue go away entirely.

     Some male clothing has to be made, simply for the bundles that get sold at major character releases.

    GiGi_7 said:
    JoeQuick said:

    This made the same money in two months that this made in two years.

    Your principal promo for boy cloth doesn't help. If others buyers are like me, then they don't visit the product's page if the principal promo is not promising, they don't read the list of thing contained in the product, they don't see the little promos in the product page, they turn their heads toward a product with an image that clearly set which is the content and looks interesting.

    This clearly do it...but is not the principal promo, which is without bat, chain, mask, jockey stuff, nor hoodie. All the stuff that add flavour to your product aren't in the principal promo.

    It is the first time that I see this complementary promo. 

    The principal promo for girl is focused in this fantastic boots and leg warmers, and says "outfit", so it is quickly understood that we get the fantastic boots+legwarmers, the mini skirt and the top stuff. In fact I saw the guy in last promo for her too, but I didn't know that he was a product.

     

     

    I'm going to have to disagree, since the "extra items" that came wuth the male set aren't really the stuff he wanted to focus on, which is what the main promotional image is supposed to contain.

    Also as a main promo that would be way too busy to show for a product. Besides if I see male clothing I'm looking at the other promos and the description to see what it contains. If someone just skips over a product because of a main promo they don't like, then they do themselves a disservice when they say no one is making male clothing but not doing thorough enough investigation into the product. I used parts of this product for my own promos as I could mix and match items.

    Warning: I'm not searching or ask for male clothing, In fact I want this product for convert to female character. I only said that I lost the opportunity to buy an excellent product because I didn't see the complete product, and I have a ugly habit to skip by main promo (yes, a great disservice for me) there are too much stuffs to see, few money and limited time to select and obtain better prices. If other buyers  have the same behavior the opportunity is only one.

     

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited April 2016
    3Ddreamer said:
    MistyMist said:
    MistyMist said:

    a chocolate syrup drippings outfit for g2m cheeky  could use the goop shaders 

    Maple syrup  hmm, high translucency?
    tee hee, am i spposed to eat the man or the pancakes?

    I tried chocolate first, but I think Honey worked better wink Sorry no Maple Syrup in Mec4D's pack. Of course what you do with him is up to you. smiley

     

    breakfast!! 

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