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Product Updates - Information what the Update is about

cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
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It would be great if PAs or DAZ itself let us know what Product Updates are about, so we can decide if we need/want the updated version or not.

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  • Lissa_xyzLissa_xyz Posts: 6,116
    edited March 2016

    If you're using DIM, you can hit the little "i" with a circle around it to go to the product's wiki page. Scroll down and there should be an update history, where you will find info regarding new updates. If you don't use DIM, you'll have to go to the wiki and manually navigate via product ID.

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  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    Vaskania said:

    If you're using DIM, you can hit the little "i" with a circle around it to go to the product's wiki page. Scroll down and there should be an update history, where you will find info regarding new updates. If you don't use DIM, you'll have to go to the wiki and manually navigate via product ID.

    ah okay, thank you for the information

  • mindsongmindsong Posts: 1,725

    Note that some update release notes don't tell you the whole story, like when daz removes stuff they want to sell you in 'pro' packages - like the gens that were removed from the early g1 distributions. (dim zipfile backups are always a good idea)

     

    --ms

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,258
    mindsong said:

    Note that some update release notes don't tell you the whole story, like when daz removes stuff they want to sell you in 'pro' packages - like the gens that were removed from the early g1 distributions. (dim zipfile backups are always a good idea)

    Is it legal to remove features from a product you already have purchased?

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854

    Only if the sale was based on an advertised aspect that is then removed. So unless genesis was sold with a "Now with gens included" statement then it would not be an issue.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,258
    edited March 2016
    Khory said:

    Only if the sale was based on an advertised aspect that is then removed. So unless genesis was sold with a "Now with gens included" statement then it would not be an issue.

    So if they don't explicitly state that a figure has teeth and there are no promos that shows the teeth, they can remove the teeth later if they like?

     

     

     

     

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    This is something that happened several years ago.  The Incorrect product was withdrawn very quickly as I recall, and it was stated at the time that a mistake had been made.

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    Taozen said:
    Khory said:

    Only if the sale was based on an advertised aspect that is then removed. So unless genesis was sold with a "Now with gens included" statement then it would not be an issue.

    So if they don't explicitly state that a figure has teeth and there are no promos that shows the teeth, they can remove the teeth later if they like?

     

     

    Only if the teeth are not shown and not inferred from the advertisement. Not that either of us thinks they ever would. If a big box store has a shirt on sale and when it is first sold the sales person accidentally includes a tie are they then required to include a tie with every shirt like that that is sold?

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,258
    edited March 2016
    Chohole said:

    This is something that happened several years ago.  The Incorrect product was withdrawn very quickly as I recall, and it was stated at the time that a mistake had been made.

    Well it could have been a reconsideration which they just called a mistake, but we'll never know.

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,258
    Khory said:
    Taozen said:
    Khory said:

    Only if the sale was based on an advertised aspect that is then removed. So unless genesis was sold with a "Now with gens included" statement then it would not be an issue.

    So if they don't explicitly state that a figure has teeth and there are no promos that shows the teeth, they can remove the teeth later if they like?

     

     

    Only if the teeth are not shown and not inferred from the advertisement. Not that either of us thinks they ever would. If a big box store has a shirt on sale and when it is first sold the sales person accidentally includes a tie are they then required to include a tie with every shirt like that that is sold?

    Well since previous generations included genitals I think most people would expect G1 to do too. In any case I'd expect a human figure to be complete, to me excluding the genitals is just as absurd as excluding the teeth. But I guess this issue already has been discussed ad nauseam in other threads... 

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    Taozen said:
    Khory said:
    Taozen said:
    Khory said:

    Only if the sale was based on an advertised aspect that is then removed. So unless genesis was sold with a "Now with gens included" statement then it would not be an issue.

    So if they don't explicitly state that a figure has teeth and there are no promos that shows the teeth, they can remove the teeth later if they like?

     

     

    Only if the teeth are not shown and not inferred from the advertisement. Not that either of us thinks they ever would. If a big box store has a shirt on sale and when it is first sold the sales person accidentally includes a tie are they then required to include a tie with every shirt like that that is sold?

    Well since previous generations included genitals I think most people would expect G1 to do too. In any case I'd expect a human figure to be complete, to me excluding the genitals is just as absurd as excluding the teeth. But I guess this issue already has been discussed ad nauseam in other threads... 

    Previous generations didn't even have geo-grafting so that is apples and oranges. And why they are separated out has been discussed endlessly. There are figures on the market that have none, not included or for sale with the figure as a bundle, so there is that as well.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,063

    The anatomical elements have not, since Victoria 3, been included with the base figure. In the third and fourth generations they were in the morph packs, from Genesis on they have been in some at least of the adult named-character Pro Bundles. So having the anatomical elements included in the free base Genesis should have been surprising and expected to be an error.

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited March 2016
    Vaskania said:

    If you're using DIM, you can hit the little "i" with a circle around it to go to the product's wiki page. Scroll down and there should be an update history, where you will find info regarding new updates. If you don't use DIM, you'll have to go to the wiki and manually navigate via product ID.

     

    Should be an update history - should be is the operative word - I have a lot of updates where no information comes through ...

    IF there is a readme, I am still waiting for the Readme's for http://www.daz3d.com/tinman and http://www.daz3d.com/frost-lords

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  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    A LOT of the time, the readme's don't state at all anything about the updates. Generally, PC ones do....but other products are more like 1 in 8.  

    Kerya said:
    Vaskania said:

    If you're using DIM, you can hit the little "i" with a circle around it to go to the product's wiki page. Scroll down and there should be an update history, where you will find info regarding new updates. If you don't use DIM, you'll have to go to the wiki and manually navigate via product ID.

     

    Should be an update history - should be is the operative word - I have a lot of updates where no information comes through ...

    IF there is a readme, I am still waiting for the Readme's for http://www.daz3d.com/tinman and http://www.daz3d.com/frost-lords

     

  • LayLo 3DLayLo 3D Posts: 329

    I list the updates I make to my products on my blog =), but since I only have a few products, that's probably not super helpful at this point...

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,258
    Richard Haseltine said:

    The anatomical elements have not, since Victoria 3, been included with the base figure. In the third and fourth generations they were in the morph packs, from Genesis on they have been in some at least of the adult named-character Pro Bundles. So having the anatomical elements included in the free base Genesis should have been surprising and expected to be an error.

    OK, I've always thought they came with the figures as they've always been there by default, but that must be because I have the morphs then. BTW, I can see from a search on "gential" on old installers that M4 genitals also are included with Cararra as a separate file, but V4 does not show up at all in the search.

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,063

    Up until Genesis the female figures just had a morph to suggest the cleft, Genesis was the first figure that had a conforming (GeoGrafting in fact) add-on.

  • mindsongmindsong Posts: 1,725

    My issue wasn't the removal of the gens, per se', but rather that the "update notes" somehow missed that minor adjustment to the product package. So, for the sake of the OP, my editorial-laden comment was recommending to pretty much ignore the release notes as being useless, unless someone like Jack Tomain (and a few others PAs) are involved. I'd think Daz QA would require meaningful notes in said updates, but given they don't do it themselves... here we are.

    (take-away, release notes may be there, but are most often useless).

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