Windows10 Pro upgrade?
LeatherGryphon
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If I have Windows7 Pro installed and I accept the free Windows10 upgrade will it result in a Windows10 Pro installation?
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Yes. Well, either that or the opening of a gate to the infernal regions.
Yes, Windows 7 Pro upgrades to Windows 10 Pro. And what Richard said.
As a side note, beware of this month's updates (again) if you're still on 7, 8, or 8.1 — I've seen consistent reports that M$ is beginning (again) to push "10 whether or not you request it, and whether or not your system can handle it" updates (again). And the promised reversion option to the old OS within 30 days is proving somewhat less than reliable.
Thank you.
I'm not too worried about the infernal regions. Been there, done that, burned the T-shirt!
But now I have to worry about which functionalities I'll lose even using Win10 Pro. I'm not a typical geriatric user and still tinker with complex networking hookups. I've carried some apps forward from WinXP days . 
At my request my new computer is coming with Windows 7 Pro. Since my new system should be able to handle it, I was wondering what you all think of Windows 10 Pro? In particular I am concerned about being able to run a number of older programs that I have, such as Photoshop CS2 and MS Office 2007. These programs are adequate for my needs and I really don't want to have the expense of having to upgrade just to be able to use them on Windows 10.
Photoshop CS2 certainly works in 10, I'm using it.. Can't imagine Office not working but it'll probably whine about wanting an upgrade. As for systems not being able to run it, 10 doesn't seem to demand any more than 7, so unless you have some unusual hardware it should run.
Thanks, I'm sure my new computer can hadle it easily. But on the old HP Pavillion I have now Windows 110 had tried to do an automatic update and then my computer wouldn't boot at all. It took hours of running system update to get it back to Windows 7 and bootable. So, now I'm really reluctant to try upgrading to Windows 10 on my old computer.
Office 2007 will definitely work. I was using it before I had an Office 365 subscription shoved on me by a "helpful" family member.
It's 100% reliable, as long as you don't use it :P
No, seriously though. It generally works fine, as long as you revert before it attempts to install any updates. I've yet to see a successful rollback on a system that has had any updates installed.
I installed Windows 10 Home on my new system and haven't had a single issue with it, even the updates seem to run smoothly and I recheck all my privacy settings after updates and they are always all still off altho I did hear that some will turn on again after updating. My system runs like a dream so far but I am glad so hear someone had success running PS CS2 on W10 as I hadn't tried yet. I haven't done the upgrade on my W7 laptop yet but will do a comlete clean install when I do as I prefer that method than dragging forward any problems with an update. I was concerned about upgrading but am actually likeing W10 more and more as I find my way around the UI
I got a new PC recently and got Windows 10 Pro OEM and have had no issues installing older software such as Paint Shop Pro 9.
I can recommend one piece of software made for W10 that will make you life easier and that is "Classic Shell" - http://www.classicshell.net/ - gives your the classis styled start menu and more. Very handy. Does not take away the default setup in W10 though as its a click away if you want it or need it.
Geek response.
As far as windows 10 goes, i'd give it a couple more months(july) to install as it'll be at the one year mark, and most of the early adopter bugs will be cleared.
Just from my personal experience, Unless there is software that absolutely has to have 10, or you have a touch screen, skip it for now.
There's not that much difference between 8/8.1, but a major change from 7 or vista.
Also depending on the age of your system you may not be able to find compatible drivers for your hardware.
Check with the system builder site or the all the individual components sites for compatible drivers.
While you may be able to use vista and or 7 drivers for some hardware, it may not be a stable solution.
results will vary
Since it is the newest, MS is going to push for it and all new hardware is going to have W10 drivers for it. Also, MS is pushing the W10 updates through W7 & W8 so instead of fighting against it, just embrace it. WHile I am not one to normally adopt a new windows OS right away, this one is not half bad.
Let's not have this turn into a debate on whether or not people "should" adopt Windows 10 please, that is up to individual users.
I'm running windows 10 on my laptops (Dell 6410 Latitude, I7, 8gb of ram) and haven't had any issues with it except for one: It can take hours to boot when they install upates, and since they are off at night, somethimes when I find out about it is when I try to start them up to work on them. Aside from that, it is better at running a lot of older programs than Windows 7. I do get intermittent "Start Menu and Contendina (or however that infernal thing is spelled) can't start up, but at this point that just requires a reboot.
I have not moved my Desktop to 10 (the one I do most of my rendering on) because I NEED that to start up when I need to work. And yeah, Microsoft has been pushing that upgrade again in the last week even though I cleaned all that garbage off of my system. It is seriously starting to annoy me. Apparently with Microsoft, "NO" doesn't mean "NO".
Definitely agreed on that one.
The real question is need vs want.
Need boils down to software and hardware compability. Such as in my case where i use the latest version of corel paint i have to have win 7 at the least. it won't even install on vista or xp. so i needed to upgrade from vista.
Want is just when we have to have the latest of what ever, regardless of any real need to do said thing.
I don't really NEED Win10 but I still have a few good customers that I do work for who run older machines and either are asking me about the free upgrade to Win10 or will be buying a new machine soon and will of course be getting a Win10 so I need to be able to at least sound a little bit experienced when they come to me asking for advice or help.
I've pretty much decided that this, my primary machine, will remain Win7 Pro. I've got too many complex "improvements" installed to trust an upgrade. I've already upgraded my Win7 Home laptop to Win10 Home and am happy with it. I am a little undecided if I want to keep my Vista machine or go ahead and install my last copy of Win7 Home OEM onto it (it's actually the hardware equal to my primary machine) and then grab the free Win10 upgrade from there. I just don't want to lose out on the free upgrade for all my eligible machines. I don't think I'll be doing any more Vista repairs so I don't really need a Vista testbed. However, I do keep a couple of XP machines around to run some (most) of my older games. I don't really play the games anymore but I don't want to be in the position of not being able to. No, I'm not a hoarder I've got everything organized and I can walk through my house blindfolded.
Is walking around blindfolded more fun than the XP games?
Only if I'm watching a visitor do it.
My experiences with Windows 10 Pro are quite negative so far - I DO like it, while testing I installed on 5 PC without unexpected problems (even on HP DataVault with Intel Atom or HP MicroServer with AMD), I still run it on my secondary PC, but it killed some hardware on my render PC.
That is an DELL XPS One 2710, which is an All-In-One i7-3770 with 27" touch screen and combined Intel/NVidia graphics that I used to run with Windows 10 Pro for few months without any problems already, until in December decided to install the November upgrade (version 1511) - after few restarts it showed some "black screen of death", no more bios, no more post, no more boot, nothing. Only the internal monitor menu still showing up, so it seems the monitor part still okay (later found someone saying it still works as external monitor connected to another PC through HDMI).
Believe me, I tried anything I could think of for couple days (and I'm working with and building PCs for more than 20 years) and already gave up when I found some forum threads describing exactly the same problem - on that very same Dell model. Noone could say what exactly is triggering the fault, and for some good reason noone is willing to do tests, but so far the only solution to breath life into that expensive brick seems installing a new mainboard. Some users even needed two - the hard way finding out it was Windows 10 killing it, when rebooting into previously installed system again. No problems with Windows 8/8.1 to that point. Personally I was lucky that I had two more weeks of warranty left and Dell got it repaired (exchanged the board), other were not that lucky. And the specifc boards for that PC are usually some hundred $ on ebay, as Dell not selling those to users - for a 2 year old i7 ..
So now I'm currently building a new custom PC, as I don't dare to reinstall Windows 10 Pro on the Dell again, not knowing if the problem has been solved meanwhile or not, and not knowing if it could happen with future MS upgrade for preinstalled Win8 too. And out of warranty now I don't want to find out, so bye bye Dell, never again . Btw. only note on website was something in the line with 'Not supported by Windows 10, might result in problems with drivers'. Thanks, but no thanks.
Btw. people should know that any Intel Skylake processor needs the Windows 10 upgrade sooner or later - as that processor platform is only supported by Windows 7 and 8 until 07/17/2018 (it has been extended for one year just this week, MS initially planned to stop support on 07/17/2017), this is from new MS policy to support only latest OS on new processor generations. After that you might be able to use the system for some more time, if they decide to keep already existing platform drivers (just not updating to newer ones), but who can say for sure..
Shiny new Windows world..
I updated my laptop to win 10 and haven't had any complaints but then it was running 8.1 before so anything would be better...
all i can say on that is
holy crap, wtf, dang, and few other explitives.
Good to know that win 10 can brick dell hardware, cause half my network is dell.
That definitely explains why the warning on the product support pages associated with my equipment.
and apparenetly a quick google search of bricked dell hardware, results in a lot more equipment this is happening to.
To be fair I have to say the 2710 is the only Dell I know of definitely being bricked for that reason, the newer 2720 model that switched from i7-3770 to i7-4770 and from Geforce 650M to 750M (I think) isn't affected afaik.
I read on some forums in rare cases some custom systems might be bricked too (I think AOC monitors or panels were involved), but that seems to be very specific hardware combinations and noone I know of could say what triggers it. Definitely only happening since November v1511 upgrade, not before. Still hard to believe that could happen, and I don't expect MS or Dell confirming (if they are aware of), as long as noone brings that up to court. I expect MS to silently correct that with some future upgrade, maybe they already did - I should google that again some day, but I'm not gonna try myself.
A tip for Windows 10 Pro users - besides changing Windows default (non-) privacy settings, have a look at update settings as well and switch to delayed system upgrades (not sure how exactly that is named on English versions). This will still install security updates on release, but delays the download and installation of feature upgrades for 6 months or so. This gives MS time to fix some bugs before you have to install the upgrade too.
This is only possible with Pro and Enterprise versions I think, Windows 10 Home users can't change that afaik.