As default clothing is not designed with other clothing in mind, unless it is part of the same set.

And they will therefore often clip like you see.

Different methods for reduce it.

The clothing might have adjustments morph, that might help.

If they support dForce, you could try first to simulate the shirt, with the jacket hidden, and then freeze the simulation of that.

Then show and simulate the jacket, but before start of simulation, make sure they don't clip.

To avoid clipping there is different methods. You can use mesh grabber, to move cloth in or out as convinient.

You can add a smooth modifier. Most clothing has it, but you can change the collision object. For the jacket set the shirt as collision object.

You can add a push modifier (it can both be positive and negative (shrinking).

Finally you can take it into a modeller and make a custom correction morph.

I can see that the jacket support dForce (there is a rigid follower node). You could try adding a push modifier, and adjust it so it don't clip, and then simulate the jacket.

If you have Matari3d's Zombie Horse installed, it is from a morph called "Parameters->M3DZH->M3DZH Leg Bag Left Bone 02" (I assume Bag should be Back). It defaults to 100%, whereas the right side is at 0%. There also appears to be one morph missing for the back right leg, there are two on the left, and only one on the right.

[ETA] Actually, it's a little more complicated. There are two "M3DZH Leg Back Left Bone 01" morphs, one is called "Back", the other "Bag". The ID's are the same for both, but since the "Bag" version loads after the "Back", it overwrites the first definition. The second right back leg morph is still missing...

However, the "Full Zombie Horse Base" morph sets one big monolithic morph for the whole horse (back legs included), not each individual morph.

I hope, this is the right place to report this:

When I use "Map Transfer" (most likely in all 6.x-Versions) to create a File-Set e.g. for the anatomical elements, the result shows only a coloured area within the UV-Range. First I did not modify the "Bleed factor", after I saw the problem, I increased it to 0.02, but the result is the same.

When I do the same with the latest 4.24 I have installed, the region is shown fine.

kyoto kid said:

richardandtracy said:

Seems a bit of a stretch to accuse Pyrika of being human to me. Humanoid is the description I'd be more comfortable using. I do agree that it's nice to see an absence of a 'super heroine' chest. Did you see 'Nami' a while back? She was G9, petite, and human too. Regards, Richard

...when I mention "human" I refer to any character who could easily pass for one with only a few morphs and different skin.  A few alien and fantasy characters also have a "human" morph included.  The only G9 characters I have been collecting are the creature and monster ones like those by RawArt and Oso3D as they work as standalone characters (I also have the required G9 basic content to support them).

The lack of full compatibility with the older generations (through plugins like GenXGenX2 and XTransfer) makes G9 less versatile as a base for the custom character design I do.

Yeah-I would describe Pyrika as "humanoid"."  A lot of the alien-isc figures fall into that range; something from sci-fi movie where a lady gives birth to an huemon-alien hybrid (human being pronounced as a Ferengi would).

RawArt and Oso3D make some humanoid figures, but a lot of them are anthromorphic animal creations, with some being monsters.  They've successfully cornered the market here at the Daz store with those styles, and it's not a bad thing at all.

richardandtracy said:

Seems a bit of a stretch to accuse Pyrika of being human to me. Humanoid is the description I'd be more comfortable using. I do agree that it's nice to see an absence of a 'super heroine' chest. Did you see 'Nami' a while back? She was G9, petite, and human too. Regards, Richard

...when I mention "human" I refer to any character who could easily pass for one with only a few morphs and different skin.  A few alien and fantasy characters also have a "human" morph included.  The only G9 characters I have been collecting are the creature and monster ones like those by RawArt and Oso3D as they work as standalone characters (I also have the required G9 basic content to support them).

The lack of full compatibility with the older generations (through plugins like GenXGenX2 and XTransfer) makes G9 less versatile as a base for the custom character design I do.

oddoneout said:

So the .duf file would not work without the .dsf file, even if the user owned the original v4 poser figure dress (with the original .obj file in their runtime)?

Therefore the duf file with the .dsf could not be distributed to people who did not purchase the original V4 poser figure dress otherwise they would be getting it for free?

Is there any way of distributing refits of V4/M4 clothing, that have been put through the transfer utility or autofit and then modified, so that they can only be used by people that have purchased the clothing?

Even though this is 12 years old, I ran across it whilst looking for something else (a way to save two prop/figure assets with the same geometry without a new DSF geometry being made for them, but I found a workaround). So anyway...
I don't know why Richard gave a wrong answer. He usually knows all the stuff. But...  It's easy to do. Not the most 100% user friendly, but them's the breaks.
1: Make a Poser file that has the dress as just a prop. Do not include the geometry. Make sure the prop is pointing at the geometry, and not storing it in the pp2 file as customGeom.
2: Load your changes as a morph. Set it to 1 and memorise.
3: Instruct for users to load this prop into Poser (after all, they HAVE Poser and they HAVE the original item). It will load in referencing the original geometry and apply the morph you gave it.
4: Give them instructions to export this to a new OBJ, no world transformations and no groups. DAZ doesn't need the groups for clothes.
5: Tell them to import the OBJ into DAZ Studio, use the transfer utility to make it conform to the new figure, save it as a prop/figure asset with certain parameters, and THEN install your DUF file, which you'll make sure points at the DSF geometry created when they save it out.
It's tedious. But it's easy.

Those are great.  I have all but two.  Alas, Blair tends to detach from the head when morphed.

Here are a couple of panels showing what I'm after.  This is the Nirv hair morphed.  The right panel shows what I like, the snug bubble around the head and neck. The left panel shows my problem, crinkled ends created by the short morph.  It gets worse when I pose her shoulders or combine morphs.

Still open to more ideas.  I might have to overlap two hairs, for an underlayer that keeps the scalp attached. Thanks in advance for more input.

[Edited for inline image]

Hallelujah!
Disciple

...yeah I remember when a pro bundle included several clothing and hair items, at least one alternate character morph and poses. 

I have little use for HD figures as I rarely ever do portraits or close-ups 

The best deal for a Pro bundle  I ever bought was the Young Teens 5 which featured both Julie and Justin..

I'm looking for something that forms a cozy sphere around a G8F head, with fringy bangs and covered ears, like the unlisted hair Cataleya wears.

It's for my super lady, so wind and motion must be strong.  Right now she wears Nirv Straight Long Hair and it's wonderful, but the short morph distorts the motion morphs.

My epic hair may be gone, but my characters need not share that fate. Your help is appreciated and thanks for reading.

Hallelujah!
Disciple

Jumbotron said:

NetherFalcon said:

Jumbotron said:

NetherFalcon said:

tsroemi said:

ArtAngel said:

lorraineopua said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Centaur 9 is very much tempting me to restart Premier *right now,* tonight. I've got a lot of use out of the G3 Centaurs and still use them. I never got the G8 centaurs because they didn't seem to be much of an improvement over the G3 version, especially in the human/equine transition zone. Centaur 9 looks somewhat better, enough I want to upgrade. Plus I like the other bundled items. I don't love that it's still only got 4 items, but at least it's 4 items not "3 items plus an HD morph."

$23 will get me 1 month of Premier, the character bundle & both material add-ons. 

Related question: should I bother buying Daz Horse 3 for another $2? I am happy with both Daz Horse 2 & Lo-rez Horse 2 (which includes a full resolution model) & think they look much better than Horse 3. So I would only use it if I picked up add-on animals later.

The only thing I've use Daz 3 Horse is the base for AMs Reindeer and possibly for DAs Deer if I get that.

I do appreciate the deer, and I may buy it . . . not sure. I wonder where the forum Synergy has gone? Remember when the forums were full of excited enthusiastic responses for the Mega and Pro bundles and when 4 item bundles were nothing near as special ... just a character with hair an outfit and maybe a prop? Whatever happened to real bundles?  Nothing is trying to jump into my cart. Nothing screams OMG BUY ME YOU HAVE TO! I am not a fan of the Lauryn 9 Bundle, which makes the Cervitaur Add-on useless to me. I miss the Mega Bundles. And I miss those Pro Bundles and I really dislike how these current 'Bundles' are marketed/offered. It lacks pizzazz. So for me it is an underwhelming offer even though I have 12 tokens, I think I'll pass.  I own DAZ Horse 3 and the toon horse, deer horns/antlers and a truckload of centaurs (7 and 8 and 8.1), and Easy Filatoons. And, I dislike a mega bundle being broken up into multiple small bundles. Shopping here should be simpler, clearer, and more enticing. I get what @daveso finds so discontenting. I can afford the bundles I just don't see the value in them. Why not go back to strater and pro bundles. This feels like mini starter bundles.

I was just now being nostalgic over the same thing, not so much the bundles (they ARE very small these days though, that's quite true) but the forum activity. I guess many people left to do their stuff with AI really, as has been suggested in other threads when the topic came up. I'm glad there still is some interaction, and some people are really so industrious at keeping the forums alive. But I do miss the insane monkey chatter when new figures came out and such, and all the experiments people did and posted about. Ah well. It is what it is.  

I believe it's a combination of factors as to why forum activity has been lacking. I participate in the new release threads and they still don't get a lot of activity. Usually only a handful of us even post renders of the new figures.
But the bundle thing is definitely an issue. When they split them up it wasn't a big deal for me but now with us getting 4 products (3 really for the character bundle, the HD Addon is a wasted slot, we should not need to get the HD version with the base figure), it's felt a lot less of a value.

I like Lauryn though, she's definitely designed and suited for fantasy renders (that's my bag, baby) and she translates very well into Filatoon. 

I agree that these "mini" bundles we are getting now feel a bit lacking. I disagree that the HD add-on is a wasted slot, though. If I want the base figure, I'll also want the HD add-on. It is a basic complement in my humble opinion.

UPDATE: Maybe the ideal solution would be that they made these core figures HD to start with. That seemed to be something they did in the past with Victoria 9 and other figures.

That's what I was referring to.  They should all come with an HD version baseline like they used to.  And instead of having the addon as one of the featured items, we could get anything else to fill that slot.  That's why I feel that spot is wasted, because since they separated the figures from the HD Addons, it's created an illusion of getting more products than we really are. In this case (and several before it) we're really getting 3 items, not 4.

Now I understand the "wasted slot" part. And I agree with you totally.

Maybe a ton of people like it. I doubt it, but who knows? I see some Lauryn fans here, so it seeded the thought: 'what if I bought her? What can she bring to the table?' Then I thought Monday is double tokens, maybe I should wait until then, but lately Mondays have not been like they used to be. I did want the deer, the deeraur or whatever they called it, and the filament toon stuff so I decided to cart all of the bundles and a few non-pose addons, hoping to get the best discount and prices. Then I thought my +membership expires in 2 weeks and I am not going premier, so maybe I should clear out my wish list a little and give the sale a decent shot. So I threw a bunch of DAZ-spaghetti at the wall and ended up with 57 carted skus that worked for me. I am posting my invoice from today in case curious minds wonder how I got the best value for the bundles etc.

Oso3D said:

Here is Freja Cervitaur (with extra fur density/randomness because that's how I like it, and with a few minor edits because having a navel bugged me)

I loaded Lauryn Cervitaur, got a bunch of bug warnings. I had to turn the Lauryn cervitaur body morph (or something like that) to 0% so it stopped trying to adjust presumably some Lauryn element, then applied Freja. (And then made a navel-less map and turned Navel HD to 0)

 

Thanks for all the work, the Freja version looks great. The bugs/warnings sound annoying though. I'm going to hold off on getting Cervitaur for a while.

Here is Freja Cervitaur (with extra fur density/randomness because that's how I like it, and with a few minor edits because having a navel bugged me)

I loaded Lauryn Cervitaur, got a bunch of bug warnings. I had to turn the Lauryn cervitaur body morph (or something like that) to 0% so it stopped trying to adjust presumably some Lauryn element, then applied Freja. (And then made a navel-less map and turned Navel HD to 0)

It is mainly a morph transfer tool, though it can use a Genesis 8 skin  turned into a fitted item for Genesis 9 to apply materials - the material Suit mentioned above, which would still be required.

Hoping it's not against the TOS.

I have this weird distortion at the pelvis-legs joint, even in less extreme position

I tried to find a hidden morph to no avail. I have installed Gen Shift + Gen Gap for Genesis 9 , Ultimate Natural Bend Morphs for Genesis 9 Feminine 2.0 and Ultimate Natural Bend Morphs for Genesis 9 Female Base

Anybobody have an idea of whats causing this ?

NetherFalcon said:

Jumbotron said:

NetherFalcon said:

tsroemi said:

ArtAngel said:

lorraineopua said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Centaur 9 is very much tempting me to restart Premier *right now,* tonight. I've got a lot of use out of the G3 Centaurs and still use them. I never got the G8 centaurs because they didn't seem to be much of an improvement over the G3 version, especially in the human/equine transition zone. Centaur 9 looks somewhat better, enough I want to upgrade. Plus I like the other bundled items. I don't love that it's still only got 4 items, but at least it's 4 items not "3 items plus an HD morph."

$23 will get me 1 month of Premier, the character bundle & both material add-ons. 

Related question: should I bother buying Daz Horse 3 for another $2? I am happy with both Daz Horse 2 & Lo-rez Horse 2 (which includes a full resolution model) & think they look much better than Horse 3. So I would only use it if I picked up add-on animals later.

The only thing I've use Daz 3 Horse is the base for AMs Reindeer and possibly for DAs Deer if I get that.

I do appreciate the deer, and I may buy it . . . not sure. I wonder where the forum Synergy has gone? Remember when the forums were full of excited enthusiastic responses for the Mega and Pro bundles and when 4 item bundles were nothing near as special ... just a character with hair an outfit and maybe a prop? Whatever happened to real bundles?  Nothing is trying to jump into my cart. Nothing screams OMG BUY ME YOU HAVE TO! I am not a fan of the Lauryn 9 Bundle, which makes the Cervitaur Add-on useless to me. I miss the Mega Bundles. And I miss those Pro Bundles and I really dislike how these current 'Bundles' are marketed/offered. It lacks pizzazz. So for me it is an underwhelming offer even though I have 12 tokens, I think I'll pass.  I own DAZ Horse 3 and the toon horse, deer horns/antlers and a truckload of centaurs (7 and 8 and 8.1), and Easy Filatoons. And, I dislike a mega bundle being broken up into multiple small bundles. Shopping here should be simpler, clearer, and more enticing. I get what @daveso finds so discontenting. I can afford the bundles I just don't see the value in them. Why not go back to strater and pro bundles. This feels like mini starter bundles.

I was just now being nostalgic over the same thing, not so much the bundles (they ARE very small these days though, that's quite true) but the forum activity. I guess many people left to do their stuff with AI really, as has been suggested in other threads when the topic came up. I'm glad there still is some interaction, and some people are really so industrious at keeping the forums alive. But I do miss the insane monkey chatter when new figures came out and such, and all the experiments people did and posted about. Ah well. It is what it is.  

I believe it's a combination of factors as to why forum activity has been lacking. I participate in the new release threads and they still don't get a lot of activity. Usually only a handful of us even post renders of the new figures.
But the bundle thing is definitely an issue. When they split them up it wasn't a big deal for me but now with us getting 4 products (3 really for the character bundle, the HD Addon is a wasted slot, we should not need to get the HD version with the base figure), it's felt a lot less of a value.

I like Lauryn though, she's definitely designed and suited for fantasy renders (that's my bag, baby) and she translates very well into Filatoon. 

I agree that these "mini" bundles we are getting now feel a bit lacking. I disagree that the HD add-on is a wasted slot, though. If I want the base figure, I'll also want the HD add-on. It is a basic complement in my humble opinion.

UPDATE: Maybe the ideal solution would be that they made these core figures HD to start with. That seemed to be something they did in the past with Victoria 9 and other figures.

That's what I was referring to.  They should all come with an HD version baseline like they used to.  And instead of having the addon as one of the featured items, we could get anything else to fill that slot.  That's why I feel that spot is wasted, because since they separated the figures from the HD Addons, it's created an illusion of getting more products than we really are. In this case (and several before it) we're really getting 3 items, not 4.

Now I understand the "wasted slot" part. And I agree with you totally.

Jumbotron said:

NetherFalcon said:

tsroemi said:

ArtAngel said:

lorraineopua said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Centaur 9 is very much tempting me to restart Premier *right now,* tonight. I've got a lot of use out of the G3 Centaurs and still use them. I never got the G8 centaurs because they didn't seem to be much of an improvement over the G3 version, especially in the human/equine transition zone. Centaur 9 looks somewhat better, enough I want to upgrade. Plus I like the other bundled items. I don't love that it's still only got 4 items, but at least it's 4 items not "3 items plus an HD morph."

$23 will get me 1 month of Premier, the character bundle & both material add-ons. 

Related question: should I bother buying Daz Horse 3 for another $2? I am happy with both Daz Horse 2 & Lo-rez Horse 2 (which includes a full resolution model) & think they look much better than Horse 3. So I would only use it if I picked up add-on animals later.

The only thing I've use Daz 3 Horse is the base for AMs Reindeer and possibly for DAs Deer if I get that.

I do appreciate the deer, and I may buy it . . . not sure. I wonder where the forum Synergy has gone? Remember when the forums were full of excited enthusiastic responses for the Mega and Pro bundles and when 4 item bundles were nothing near as special ... just a character with hair an outfit and maybe a prop? Whatever happened to real bundles?  Nothing is trying to jump into my cart. Nothing screams OMG BUY ME YOU HAVE TO! I am not a fan of the Lauryn 9 Bundle, which makes the Cervitaur Add-on useless to me. I miss the Mega Bundles. And I miss those Pro Bundles and I really dislike how these current 'Bundles' are marketed/offered. It lacks pizzazz. So for me it is an underwhelming offer even though I have 12 tokens, I think I'll pass.  I own DAZ Horse 3 and the toon horse, deer horns/antlers and a truckload of centaurs (7 and 8 and 8.1), and Easy Filatoons. And, I dislike a mega bundle being broken up into multiple small bundles. Shopping here should be simpler, clearer, and more enticing. I get what @daveso finds so discontenting. I can afford the bundles I just don't see the value in them. Why not go back to strater and pro bundles. This feels like mini starter bundles.

I was just now being nostalgic over the same thing, not so much the bundles (they ARE very small these days though, that's quite true) but the forum activity. I guess many people left to do their stuff with AI really, as has been suggested in other threads when the topic came up. I'm glad there still is some interaction, and some people are really so industrious at keeping the forums alive. But I do miss the insane monkey chatter when new figures came out and such, and all the experiments people did and posted about. Ah well. It is what it is.  

I believe it's a combination of factors as to why forum activity has been lacking. I participate in the new release threads and they still don't get a lot of activity. Usually only a handful of us even post renders of the new figures.
But the bundle thing is definitely an issue. When they split them up it wasn't a big deal for me but now with us getting 4 products (3 really for the character bundle, the HD Addon is a wasted slot, we should not need to get the HD version with the base figure), it's felt a lot less of a value.

I like Lauryn though, she's definitely designed and suited for fantasy renders (that's my bag, baby) and she translates very well into Filatoon. 

I agree that these "mini" bundles we are getting now feel a bit lacking. I disagree that the HD add-on is a wasted slot, though. If I want the base figure, I'll also want the HD add-on. It is a basic complement in my humble opinion.

UPDATE: Maybe the ideal solution would be that they made these core figures HD to start with. That seemed to be something they did in the past with Victoria 9 and other figures.

That's what I was referring to.  They should all come with an HD version baseline like they used to.  And instead of having the addon as one of the featured items, we could get anything else to fill that slot.  That's why I feel that spot is wasted, because since they separated the figures from the HD Addons, it's created an illusion of getting more products than we really are. In this case (and several before it) we're really getting 3 items, not 4.

NetherFalcon said:

tsroemi said:

ArtAngel said:

lorraineopua said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Centaur 9 is very much tempting me to restart Premier *right now,* tonight. I've got a lot of use out of the G3 Centaurs and still use them. I never got the G8 centaurs because they didn't seem to be much of an improvement over the G3 version, especially in the human/equine transition zone. Centaur 9 looks somewhat better, enough I want to upgrade. Plus I like the other bundled items. I don't love that it's still only got 4 items, but at least it's 4 items not "3 items plus an HD morph."

$23 will get me 1 month of Premier, the character bundle & both material add-ons. 

Related question: should I bother buying Daz Horse 3 for another $2? I am happy with both Daz Horse 2 & Lo-rez Horse 2 (which includes a full resolution model) & think they look much better than Horse 3. So I would only use it if I picked up add-on animals later.

The only thing I've use Daz 3 Horse is the base for AMs Reindeer and possibly for DAs Deer if I get that.

I do appreciate the deer, and I may buy it . . . not sure. I wonder where the forum Synergy has gone? Remember when the forums were full of excited enthusiastic responses for the Mega and Pro bundles and when 4 item bundles were nothing near as special ... just a character with hair an outfit and maybe a prop? Whatever happened to real bundles?  Nothing is trying to jump into my cart. Nothing screams OMG BUY ME YOU HAVE TO! I am not a fan of the Lauryn 9 Bundle, which makes the Cervitaur Add-on useless to me. I miss the Mega Bundles. And I miss those Pro Bundles and I really dislike how these current 'Bundles' are marketed/offered. It lacks pizzazz. So for me it is an underwhelming offer even though I have 12 tokens, I think I'll pass.  I own DAZ Horse 3 and the toon horse, deer horns/antlers and a truckload of centaurs (7 and 8 and 8.1), and Easy Filatoons. And, I dislike a mega bundle being broken up into multiple small bundles. Shopping here should be simpler, clearer, and more enticing. I get what @daveso finds so discontenting. I can afford the bundles I just don't see the value in them. Why not go back to strater and pro bundles. This feels like mini starter bundles.

I was just now being nostalgic over the same thing, not so much the bundles (they ARE very small these days though, that's quite true) but the forum activity. I guess many people left to do their stuff with AI really, as has been suggested in other threads when the topic came up. I'm glad there still is some interaction, and some people are really so industrious at keeping the forums alive. But I do miss the insane monkey chatter when new figures came out and such, and all the experiments people did and posted about. Ah well. It is what it is.  

I believe it's a combination of factors as to why forum activity has been lacking. I participate in the new release threads and they still don't get a lot of activity. Usually only a handful of us even post renders of the new figures.
But the bundle thing is definitely an issue. When they split them up it wasn't a big deal for me but now with us getting 4 products (3 really for the character bundle, the HD Addon is a wasted slot, we should not need to get the HD version with the base figure), it's felt a lot less of a value.

I like Lauryn though, she's definitely designed and suited for fantasy renders (that's my bag, baby) and she translates very well into Filatoon. 

I agree that these "mini" bundles we are getting now feel a bit lacking. I disagree that the HD add-on is a wasted slot, though. If I want the base figure, I'll also want the HD add-on. It is a basic complement in my humble opinion.

UPDATE: Maybe the ideal solution would be that they made these core figures HD to start with. That seemed to be something they did in the past with Victoria 9 and other figures.

tsroemi said:

ArtAngel said:

lorraineopua said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Centaur 9 is very much tempting me to restart Premier *right now,* tonight. I've got a lot of use out of the G3 Centaurs and still use them. I never got the G8 centaurs because they didn't seem to be much of an improvement over the G3 version, especially in the human/equine transition zone. Centaur 9 looks somewhat better, enough I want to upgrade. Plus I like the other bundled items. I don't love that it's still only got 4 items, but at least it's 4 items not "3 items plus an HD morph."

$23 will get me 1 month of Premier, the character bundle & both material add-ons. 

Related question: should I bother buying Daz Horse 3 for another $2? I am happy with both Daz Horse 2 & Lo-rez Horse 2 (which includes a full resolution model) & think they look much better than Horse 3. So I would only use it if I picked up add-on animals later.

The only thing I've use Daz 3 Horse is the base for AMs Reindeer and possibly for DAs Deer if I get that.

I do appreciate the deer, and I may buy it . . . not sure. I wonder where the forum Synergy has gone? Remember when the forums were full of excited enthusiastic responses for the Mega and Pro bundles and when 4 item bundles were nothing near as special ... just a character with hair an outfit and maybe a prop? Whatever happened to real bundles?  Nothing is trying to jump into my cart. Nothing screams OMG BUY ME YOU HAVE TO! I am not a fan of the Lauryn 9 Bundle, which makes the Cervitaur Add-on useless to me. I miss the Mega Bundles. And I miss those Pro Bundles and I really dislike how these current 'Bundles' are marketed/offered. It lacks pizzazz. So for me it is an underwhelming offer even though I have 12 tokens, I think I'll pass.  I own DAZ Horse 3 and the toon horse, deer horns/antlers and a truckload of centaurs (7 and 8 and 8.1), and Easy Filatoons. And, I dislike a mega bundle being broken up into multiple small bundles. Shopping here should be simpler, clearer, and more enticing. I get what @daveso finds so discontenting. I can afford the bundles I just don't see the value in them. Why not go back to strater and pro bundles. This feels like mini starter bundles.

I was just now being nostalgic over the same thing, not so much the bundles (they ARE very small these days though, that's quite true) but the forum activity. I guess many people left to do their stuff with AI really, as has been suggested in other threads when the topic came up. I'm glad there still is some interaction, and some people are really so industrious at keeping the forums alive. But I do miss the insane monkey chatter when new figures came out and such, and all the experiments people did and posted about. Ah well. It is what it is.  

I believe it's a combination of factors as to why forum activity has been lacking. I participate in the new release threads and they still don't get a lot of activity. Usually only a handful of us even post renders of the new figures.
But the bundle thing is definitely an issue. When they split them up it wasn't a big deal for me but now with us getting 4 products (3 really for the character bundle, the HD Addon is a wasted slot, we should not need to get the HD version with the base figure), it's felt a lot less of a value.

I like Lauryn though, she's definitely designed and suited for fantasy renders (that's my bag, baby) and she translates very well into Filatoon. 

ArtAngel said:

lorraineopua said:

miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

Centaur 9 is very much tempting me to restart Premier *right now,* tonight. I've got a lot of use out of the G3 Centaurs and still use them. I never got the G8 centaurs because they didn't seem to be much of an improvement over the G3 version, especially in the human/equine transition zone. Centaur 9 looks somewhat better, enough I want to upgrade. Plus I like the other bundled items. I don't love that it's still only got 4 items, but at least it's 4 items not "3 items plus an HD morph."

$23 will get me 1 month of Premier, the character bundle & both material add-ons. 

Related question: should I bother buying Daz Horse 3 for another $2? I am happy with both Daz Horse 2 & Lo-rez Horse 2 (which includes a full resolution model) & think they look much better than Horse 3. So I would only use it if I picked up add-on animals later.

The only thing I've use Daz 3 Horse is the base for AMs Reindeer and possibly for DAs Deer if I get that.

I do appreciate the deer, and I may buy it . . . not sure. I wonder where the forum Synergy has gone? Remember when the forums were full of excited enthusiastic responses for the Mega and Pro bundles and when 4 item bundles were nothing near as special ... just a character with hair an outfit and maybe a prop? Whatever happened to real bundles?  Nothing is trying to jump into my cart. Nothing screams OMG BUY ME YOU HAVE TO! I am not a fan of the Lauryn 9 Bundle, which makes the Cervitaur Add-on useless to me. I miss the Mega Bundles. And I miss those Pro Bundles and I really dislike how these current 'Bundles' are marketed/offered. It lacks pizzazz. So for me it is an underwhelming offer even though I have 12 tokens, I think I'll pass.  I own DAZ Horse 3 and the toon horse, deer horns/antlers and a truckload of centaurs (7 and 8 and 8.1), and Easy Filatoons. And, I dislike a mega bundle being broken up into multiple small bundles. Shopping here should be simpler, clearer, and more enticing. I get what @daveso finds so discontenting. I can afford the bundles I just don't see the value in them. Why not go back to strater and pro bundles. This feels like mini starter bundles.

I was just now being nostalgic over the same thing, not so much the bundles (they ARE very small these days though, that's quite true) but the forum activity. I guess many people left to do their stuff with AI really, as has been suggested in other threads when the topic came up. I'm glad there still is some interaction, and some people are really so industrious at keeping the forums alive. But I do miss the insane monkey chatter when new figures came out and such, and all the experiments people did and posted about. Ah well. It is what it is.  

Matt_Castle said:

Elor said:

It should have been called the Matt Castle's Sale 

It's not as useful as you might think. Nothing really new, and I have to rebuild half my toolbox.

That's not to say I didn't buy a heap of stuff though. So here's Van Helsing with a horse for a butt:

(Yes, while I have a lot of toolbox to rebuild, I've already got a draft version of a clone that will let me transfer over stuff I already had for the G8 centaur. I've had a Horse 2 to Horse 3 shape sitting around pretty much since the Horse 3 release that I could use as a starting point).

Gordig said:

I've really been slacking on my centaur renders, because there was a time when a comment like that might have referred to me.

I wouldn't be too hard on yourself; one can still be true to the art of the horse butt without having to epitomise it.

But my, you're FAST, I was just writing about looking forward to your new iteration of centaur renders with this one ...