For those that are finding a love for Aiko3: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/8629/gen3-aiko-and-hiro-appreciation-thread

or for the older generations: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/108001/the-older-generation-victoria-2-3-michael-2-3-and-their-children-renders

Some fun experiments!

My settings applied to a cube lit with a single light coming from the side. left is the surface of the skin right is what happens as you get "further in"

Now the same settings but with a red in the translucency color slot  the transmitted color is actually bright green, but as long as the color was lighter than the translucency color the effect was absolutely microscopic. I did some experimenting on G3 and as far as I can tell if translucency color is darker and more saturated than transmitted color, it completely overpowers it, so once again onto my soapbox.

and for fun the sss settings of victoria 7 (no maps obviously) Why is it green? there's nothing green anywhere?

I was looking through my Genesis 2 Male content to begin working on a new Dartan character and realized that I'm still not quite there yet as far as having enough stuff to make the switch. So I started browsing through the store - knowing that I cannot buy anything just now,,, I wanted to begin wrapping my head around which items could help to reach a complete character setup.

While I was browsing, I ran a few searches in the store. Well, when we do a search, things that we already bought can show up in the search - and I ran across the Bundle of Male textures for the Male morphs of V4 - reminding me that I have one, made by ARTCollaborations - Victoria 4 GW3 Male Texture

I bought that way back when with the idea of trying a version of Dart made using V4, so that:

• I could still make use of my M4 animated pose files - perhaps some small degree of tweaking required
• I could make use of the several morph-dial expressing packs I have for V4
• I could benefit from the unlocked nature of V4's mesh

So I started build a new Victoria 4.2 version of my Dartanbeck character, which just sounds odd, right from the start! LOL

I am impressed! There are at least a few products out there that support htese morphs too. I know that I already own one of them, Raiver, which looks kind of like Hiro's Steampunk Cowboy, but black leather (several texture expansion packs available) but I think I can tweak some M4 clothing to fit easily enough.

With my Rosie character, I have to be a little careful with the expression morph dials - which makes me like the dials a lot better than expression loader pose files from the runtime - s I can dial them up as I need to. Well I don't have to be careful with this guy... his face works with all of them - even cranked wide open! 

I have very few Expression morph dials for M4 - I don't think nearly as many were made for him.

For V4 I have Morphs++ (I have the M4 version for M4 - but that's all I have for him), Facial Expressions for V4, Girl 4 (tons of expressions!) Aiko 4, and Reby Sky - all of which (though I'm not using A4's) work wonderfully on the Male Morphed version! And I really like the Male shape that comes out of V4! 

I tweaked the image map for his face a bit to make the goatee almost the same as mine. I'll tweak it the rest of the way soon. The texture maps are 4K x 4K and look pretty darned nice! It doesn't have and Spec maps, but I don't mind - I just made my own by moidfying the color map - I like a bit of color in the Spec anyways.

Here are some sample renders of various expressions. We can see which are used by the names of the images:

• Base is the figure using no expressions
• G = Girl 4
• MP = Morphs++
• RS = Reby Sky
• V4FE = Facial Expression for V4 pack

Is it possible to build a "V4 for G2f clone" with GenX2 with the right plugins?

If all you need is the clone, there is already a product that has that: http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-for-genesis-2-female

I have it and it works great for getting V4 clothing onto G2F (and then G3F via autofit). :)

Would the Sunny 7 Pro Bundle have the female side of this want? It has other things I would like, but what I read seems to suggest that Victoria 7 is the only way to get it officially for G3F. Hopefully I misread that. http://www.daz3d.com/sunny-7-pro-bundle

Gave that a try. I did have one other folder with an !daz\victoria 4 directory and I renamed it to old_victoria 4_old, but still no change. I did find out that I could manually merge the morphs into the scene and then the sliders do show up and if I save the figure, they stay when reloaded, but still, the sliders don't show when loading a new victoria 4.2

I have been waiting on a Michael 7 Pro and Victoria 7 Pro sale for quite a while. Desiring a complete human figure to work with. Particularly G3M which just looks odd to clothed knowing he is missing something. I have only a slight interest in the characters themselves, so it is kinda a downer to realize that I need to spend $300 to feel complete about the characters I create. I am not sure what it was like with G2F/M because I really didnt have the cash then to even consider such a thing and my interest slowly died. I have since returned to basically being a new user with all the changes since I left. Anyone know when the next Michael, Victoria Pro sale will be? Or if there is another figure I could get that wouldn't be a texturing nightmare on standard G3 figures? On a side note, it is really odd how the Daz3d store hides various details like and similar, and you are just kinda stuck having paid a chunk of money for something (Try before you buy would be awesome). Anyway, thanks for reading.

Make sure only one Runtime has a "Runtime\Libraries\!DAZ\Victoria 4" folder.

In general, for morph and rigging issues, I recommend Josh Darling's Youtube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtqhpxQyGa7fm0LPoDz4s4A

If I understand you for this specific problem, it sounds like you want to create your own replacement morph for the clothing when an aging morph is applied to the figure.  If that is the case, you might want to follow these instructions by SickleYield.

"Then there is the making of custom FBMs or PBMs or support:
1. Dial in the morph in the figure, with the clothes on.
2. Hide the figure, leave the clothes visible (clothes must be at base resolution, sometimes leaving smoothing on helps, though).
3. Export the clothes to obj.
4. Import them to your modeler and reshape them to fit the body morph properly. I keep a file for Blender of the major morphs I want to support and update it periodically, so I can just use that and not re-import the cleavage morph (Victoria 7, etc.) repeatedly.
5. Export it again. Make sure it has the full correct name of the morph you want it to replace, e.g. FBMMichael7, not Michael 7 Body.
6. Start Morph Loader Pro (icon looks like a flexing biceps) and click on "Choose Morph Files" to navigate to that obj. Make sure "Overwrite Existing/Make Unique" is right-clicked and set to "Deltas Only" (if you don't you will get an error and it will fail). Then Accept.
7. Now MLP will run and tell you if it worked. If it does, your replacement morph will appear instead of the broken auto-generated one.
With the actual PBMCleavage morph it's also a bone pose, so loading it takes a special procedure. Let me know when/if you get to that specific one and we'll go into it.
If you are making a fixit or style morph that is not meant to replace another, you need to also right-click on Morphs/Morph Loader Pro and change it to Actor/Style or Actor/Adjustments (depending which is more relevant - for e.g. pants legs are more a Style morph where anything that is a clip fix is an Adjustment morph). I think they allow Actor/Movement too.
For saving morphs without resaving the entire item it's file--save as--support asset--morph assets. Then check just the ones you want to save."
found at  http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/938931/#Comment_938931

Some other tutorials that may be helpful for rigging and morphing in general.
Rigidity to Exclude Corrective Morphs 
Content support
Part 1 - Joint editor 
Part 2 -Polygon Group Editor 
Part 3 - Weigthmap Brush 

Could be from

http://www.daz3d.com/counteenance-expressions-for-teen-josie-7-and-genesis-3-female-s

http://www.daz3d.com/i13-100-essential-expressions-for-victoria-7

That looks really good - really close to the character I'm looking for. So is that just P3D Ruby from Rendo with the G2F face morphs from Daz? 

I'm thinking the skin might be too light but might be fixable in photoshop. I'm really liking the eyes and those great arched brows - those are pretty much perfect. 

Thank you for doing this and taking the time to help me - that's really sweet of you! 

No problem.   

I took a look at the texture, it actually uses the V4 texture that it comes with it for the G2 version. That's why you need this one:

http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-for-genesis-2-female

Maybe it goes on sale during the PA sale. It's great to have in any case IMO as there's a ton of V4 textures out there you can use on G2 with it. Otherwise I think there are tutorials on how to do use V4 textures on G2 manually if you don't mind doing the work involved.

And then you need the DAZ G2F Head Morphs plus the V4 base and V4++ morphs (though I don't think the V4++ morphs are necessary to use the G2 version of the character).

And then some Iray shaders or some Iray converter of some kind, as it only has 3DL shaders.  

As for the skin color it's actually very easy to change, just change the Base color of the skin, lips and whatever parts you want to change. I've used some light greys here to retain the original color tone but you can also use colors to alter the color tone as well. See screenshots.

There have been speculation about Sunny 7 for a while, as there was a name slip a couple months ago, I believe - I was expecting Sunny 7 to be a guy. 

In all honesty I don't see anything special about her (or at least not special enough to warrent her being an official "7" character).

Don't get me wrong, I think she's really cute! I just thought that the official numbered figures where supposed to fill a nitch that wasn't there. She just looks like a character you could get with some dial morphing. I mean, there is a reason for the higher prices of these figures, right? There has to be. $45 (base price) just seams kind of rediculous for a character that doesn't really give us anything new that other regular G3F characters don't. I think she's really cute, but I'm just not getting what is so special about her that it warrents charging $45 (again just base price) for? 

Again, she's totally cute, just not seeing what the deal is with all the "7" figures that don't really give us anything really new or unique and slapping a $45 price tag on it. 

I hope I'm just being all jaded and stuff. Maybe, hopefully, she'll grow on me and I'll see the need for her to be a special "7" figure. 

 

Nearly next to nothing. Diva, you answered your own question. Maybe had some of the other characters not been released, but with the flood gates open on new numbered characters, it ups the expectations on ever release after the last. She's probably good for character collectors or those that dont get to purchase many. She'll sell like hot cakes, but in a week or two, maybe three, she will have been mostly forgotten. I'm saving my cash for Lilith 7 and the rest of the pa sale, as Im still waiting for 3 pa's that have not appeared yet. Hopefully Daz will do lilith some justice. :-)

Yeah, I have to admit I'm really looking forward to Lilith and Monique. The only "7" base figure I've gotten so far has been Victoria (and Star 2.0 - but I guess she's not REALLY a "7" figure lol). I'd for sure consider forking out the cash for Lilith and Monique though.

What happened to the natural skin look? 

I'm not sure what you mean. There are a lot of people in the world with darker skin - naturally. We get so many white characters every day, and almost all the "7" figures are white, it's good to see some diversity. 

Come on, now.  You're jumping to entirely the wrong conclusion or interpretation...or something.

By natural skin look, I meant "not too smooth."  And I'll leave it at that, so I don't insult any of the character creators.

There was definitely no mention of lighter skin color in my post. 

Wow.  My kid has dark skin, as did my first husband.  Cherokee blood.

 

 

I'm sorry, Jan - I jumped to the wrong conclusions. Someone had made comments about her skin being "too dark" and it got my haunches up. I wrongly though you where making a similar comment. Again, I'm sorry for jumping to the wrong conclusion. :)

On the topic of her skin, it does look kind of wrong to me too. Like it's a mature character texturewise and yet young in shape? Sort of like a 20 year old that's been left in the sun for 40 years. Without moisturiser.

Mei Lin and Aiko have also looked considerably more mature than usual though so I wonder if it's an intentional thing.

On the topic of Gen 3 looking more generic than V4 characters, I wonder if that's to do with the low resolution nature of the base model, without HD morphs compensating. It doesn't seem like that'd be the case but I'm not sure why else older characters are so much more distinct. The textures are at a vastly higher standard baseline these days and most PA characters are advertised as HD sculpted, so it's not like things have really gone backwards. 

I wish Thorne still made characters like Layla but for Genesis so they aren't trapped in the VA4 dinosaur incompatibility zone. There seem to be ever fewer of the actual fae characters and more just odd "this is a fae sorta" mostly teen mixed more realistic type things. Actually, come to think of it, all of my favourite G2F characters (Haiku, Karyanna, Jas [and of course Giselle 6]) are made by Thorne. In Gen 3 I've only really used Josie much though despite buying all of the others.

Rendered for the PC Inspiration Contest — February 24, 2016

"Frances Cybele"

PC ITEM USED:
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/cybele-hair-for-genesis-3-females

OTHER ITEMS USED:
http://www.daz3d.com/llola-s-lovely-ladies (Frances)
http://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-hannah-hd-for-victoria-7 (skin) (added some freckles and beauty mark)
http://www.daz3d.com/flashy-hair-for-genesis-3-female-s (earrings)

Rendered with 3Delight… tiny bit of postwork and signature done in Paint Shop Pro 7
 
ENJOY!

Rendered for the PC Inspiration Contest — February 24, 2016

"Vivian Cybele"

PC ITEM USED:
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/cybele-hair-for-genesis-3-females

OTHER ITEMS USED:
http://www.daz3d.com/llola-s-lovely-ladies (Vivian)
http://www.daz3d.com/grace-for-eva-7 (skin)

http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-iven-for-genesis-3-females (dress only... texture shader)

My own background texture

Rendered with 3Delight… postwork and signature done in Paint Shop Pro 7
 
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Daz PC Inspiration Contest — August 31, 2016
"Solitude"
PC ITEM USED:
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/hinata-dress
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items/quondam
OTHER ITEMS USED:
http://www.daz3d.com/llola-s-lovely-ladies (Glinda)
http://www.daz3d.com/mynx-for-victoria-7 (skin only)
http://www.daz3d.com/bluebell-hair-for-genesis-3-females
http://www.daz3d.com/casual-summer-for-genesis-3-female-s (bracelets/colored)
Rendered with 3Delight… postwork and signature done in Paint Shop Pro 7
 
ENJOY!

Is it possible to transfer a rig from say, Victoria 4 or Michael 4 to Genesis 3?  I have an awful lot (gigabytes) worth of mocap files targeted to V4 and M4 that don't work well with G3 due to the new rig. I'm hoping there is a way to do this because there is a lot I could use G3 for animation wise.

Thanks in advance!

 

Is it just me thinking that V4 had more individual traits in her morphs than these new generations?

You are correct. Nope, it's not you. Seems as though a lot of these characters look like Victoria's older and younger sisters, though there were a few with some variance.
​I miss the variety that was V4.
I fear for Lilith 7.

I wish they had put V4's head on G3's body. I never liked the way V4 bended and I don't like her fingers and nails but I love her face and the way it morphs. G3's body is obviously a lot better and waaaaay more morphable but the face just seems too low res or something. I have a ton of morphs but it's hard to get her to look really unique.

Also with V4, I could look at a character and almost know right away who created it, but now all the PA's characters look pretty similar. Not that it's their fault, I think it's just less malleable or something than V4. Especially the lips. It's really hard not to get the same pouffy looking lips. And if Thorne is creating some of these characters, they are not as "Thorny" as the old characters. I still melt when I see the adorable old A3, K4 and even V4 Thorne characters, but on G3, somehow it's not quite as cute... I'm still buying old Thorne stuff in the mega fast grab, but had no interest in Tween Julie.

And although the Iray render engine gives the illusion of photorealism, the characters' s faces just seem more vapid than V4's for some reason. I see some of the work the same PAs are doing sometimes still with V4 on other sites or their older work, and the characters just seem to pop more, like there's more personality, someone real behind the eyes.... V7 is the only character to me that looks like there's an actual personality there and just seems more lifelike. Maybe because expressions work better on her, not sure. There's just an empty, blank stare look to most G3 faces and the expressions mostly don't look real.

I don't think the figures fill niches quite that specifically - "Hollywood Greek Athletic Action" doesn't really strike me as a niche.

I'd break them down more like this (Build/Theme):

Victoria 7/Michael 7:  Average/Everyday

Eva 7: Tall/Everyday

Karen 7: Athletic/Superhero

Bethany 7: Voloptuous/Fantasy

Arabella 7: Thin/Vampire

Teen Josie 7: Average/Teen

Olympia 7/Leo 7: Athletic/Greek

Girl 7/Guy 7: Stylized/Toon

Izabella 7: Average/Fantasy

Mei Lin 7/Lee 7: Athletic/Asian

Kalea 7/Kimo 7: Average/Islander

Rune 7/Ivan 7: Athletic/Barbarian

Aiko 7/Kenji 7: Average/Anime

Tween Julie 7/Tween Ryan 7: Average/Young Teen

Sunny 7: Average/Everyday

I'm basing the themes off of a combination of the products in each pro bundle and how the character is marketed.

Edited to reflect Eva 7 is actually taller than Victoria 7.

With those eyes, Josie is far from average; much prefer Sunny to some of the other characters; skin looks great from the promos.

I'm buying the pro bundle for two reasons; price is good, but not the main reason; the main reason is the default UVs. The higher price was always justified because of the new UV sets, but the character is at a reasonable discount so that evens it out some.

First time for ages I'll be able to use every item.

I think Eva is more of a tall skinny/toned while Stephanie was short skinny/toned rather than athletic.

Her product page says...

Her lean yet athletic body makes her a perfect addition the Genesis 3 family. Her petite small frame still maintains a spunk and edge all the while keeping true to the softer side of her Eva with her delicate features and feminine frame.

Height: 5' 11" (181.1 cm)

I like Eva but she doesn't really have an identity as a main figure and Daz's description is just a bunch of feminine traits picked at random.

And there is nothing "average" or  "everyday" about Victoria 7. She's tall, curved in the right places, but also athletically muscled well beyond an average person.

I would have liked Sunny to be an updated Kimberly type too. I do like this Sunny too, but her name does not fit her at all.