Ok, now I notice the stipulation at the bottom:

Requires: Genesis 2 Female, UVs-set for Victoria 4

Is that the product you are referring to above?

As an addendum to my last post...

On January 22nd and 23rd I placed two more orders. This was after realizing the limitations of what I had purchased on the 21st.

Ultra Salon Hair ($19.95), Victoria 3.0 Character Pak 1 ($9.95), V3 "Day Dreamer" Poses ($9.95), Hollywood Hair Pak ($24.95), Victoria 3.0 Universal Texture Maps (High Res) ($24.95), Arthurian Style Bedroom ($11.95), and HighPoly Grass and Morphing Terrain Combo Pak ($16.95).

Price: $118.65

Discount: $26.49

Final Price: $92.16

So over the course of three days I spent $181.45.

For that price I got one base model with morphs (V3), two sets of hair, one texture package, one interior model, one landscape fixture, one set of creature props, and one set of poses.

With regard to the original subject of the thread - pricing, anyone who has been around as long as I have remembers how much the original Victoria 1, Victoria 2, and Victoria 3  cost, and the price of other items back then.The prices todayseem to be much less to me, but my memory may be playing tricks on me. With regard to the items that "caused" this thread, on the surface (looking at the store "add" without looking at the product details) they seem to be rather expensive, because you don't see all of the additional features of the hair and the character morphs. There was a lot of additional work that went into these products over the typical hair and characters sets sold here. That is no doubt the reason for the slightly higher premium for them.

I'll also agree that in general, the prices have increased over the past couple of years (though still less than 15-20 years ago). But, in most instances the quality has also increased, so there is a bit of a trade off there. I can't really afford hardly anything when it is first released. I wish I could buy more during the initial release period to support the PA's a bit better, but I can't. On the other hand though, Both the PA sale and the PC sale this year gave me the opportunity to purchase many things that I could not have afforded otherwise, and some at insanely low prices. I don't mind buying older products, and since I spend a paltry amount here compared to most, there is always a lot of stuff available in the back catalog for me to acquire on sale.

As other have noted, this can be a fairly inexpensive hobby compared to other options (which is good because it's not my only hobby). IMHO DAZ, and the PA's here provide outstanding value for the price. Do I wish the prices were a little less, of course I do. Am I going to complain about the prices .... no, I realize the PA's and DAZ employees need to make a living 

 

Agreed.

First order I placed at DAZ, January 21, 2003.

Victoria 3.0 Base ($39.95), Victoria 3.0 Head Morph Pak ($19.95), and Victoria 3.0 Body Morph Pak ($19.95). That's right. You had to buy the morphs seperately. And this did not include anything but one base resolution body texture.

Also Creature Creation Pak ($19.95) and Creature Creation Fantasy Maps ($9.95) because the textures had to be purchased seperately.

Pre-discount cost: $109.75

The discount was $19.08 for buying V3 at the same time as her two Morph packages.

Final cost: $89.29

I say this in a positive light.  I am not trying to chew anyone out or shoot someone down.  But I dont see why people complain that they dont have this character type or that character type when genesis characters can mix morphs to your hearts content.  Grab some morphs and skins and mix away.  DraagonStorm has a great script here for mixing skins too - http://www.daz3d.com/skin-blender - Zev0 has aging morphs for all ages plus wrinkles for old folk.  Its not a two click solution but as you learn to mix and pick up more characters later on you simply add to the pool of what you have for greater diversity.  In short, learn to roll your own!!!!!!!!!  Trust me, its worth it. 

 

Good skin for Indian girls - http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/241861/ - it also mixes very well in Skin blender to make a "latino" skin.  THe skin for Cathy HD is based on a latino - http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/253071/ - Also, not that I have done a render with her skin yet but Chandra's skin is gorgeous - http://www.daz3d.com/p3d-chandra-hd-for-victoria-7

Thanks.  Skin blender just went in my basket.  Didn't even know this product existed.

Same!

With regard to the original subject of the thread - pricing, anyone who has been around as long as I have remembers how much the original Victoria 1, Victoria 2, and Victoria 3  cost, and the price of other items back then.The prices todayseem to be much less to me, but my memory may be playing tricks on me. With regard to the items that "caused" this thread, on the surface (looking at the store "add" without looking at the product details) they seem to be rather expensive, because you don't see all of the additional features of the hair and the character morphs. There was a lot of additional work that went into these products over the typical hair and characters sets sold here. That is no doubt the reason for the slightly higher premium for them.

I'll also agree that in general, the prices have increased over the past couple of years (though still less than 15-20 years ago). But, in most instances the quality has also increased, so there is a bit of a trade off there. I can't really afford hardly anything when it is first released. I wish I could buy more during the initial release period to support the PA's a bit better, but I can't. On the other hand though, Both the PA sale and the PC sale this year gave me the opportunity to purchase many things that I could not have afforded otherwise, and some at insanely low prices. I don't mind buying older products, and since I spend a paltry amount here compared to most, there is always a lot of stuff available in the back catalog for me to acquire on sale.

As other have noted, this can be a fairly inexpensive hobby compared to other options (which is good because it's not my only hobby). IMHO DAZ, and the PA's here provide outstanding value for the price. Do I wish the prices were a little less, of course I do. Am I going to complain about the prices .... no, I realize the PA's and DAZ employees need to make a living 

I say this in a positive light.  I am not trying to chew anyone out or shoot someone down.  But I dont see why people complain that they dont have this character type or that character type when genesis characters can mix morphs to your hearts content.  Grab some morphs and skins and mix away.  DraagonStorm has a great script here for mixing skins too - http://www.daz3d.com/skin-blender - Zev0 has aging morphs for all ages plus wrinkles for old folk.  Its not a two click solution but as you learn to mix and pick up more characters later on you simply add to the pool of what you have for greater diversity.  In short, learn to roll your own!!!!!!!!!  Trust me, its worth it. 

 

Good skin for Indian girls - http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/241861/ - it also mixes very well in Skin blender to make a "latino" skin.  THe skin for Cathy HD is based on a latino - http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/253071/ - Also, not that I have done a render with her skin yet but Chandra's skin is gorgeous - http://www.daz3d.com/p3d-chandra-hd-for-victoria-7

 

 

 

 

Thanks.  Skin blender just went in my basket.  Didn't even know this product existed.

I say this in a positive light.  I am not trying to chew anyone out or shoot someone down.  But I dont see why people complain that they dont have this character type or that character type when genesis characters can mix morphs to your hearts content.  Grab some morphs and skins and mix away.  DraagonStorm has a great script here for mixing skins too - http://www.daz3d.com/skin-blender - Zev0 has aging morphs for all ages plus wrinkles for old folk.  Its not a two click solution but as you learn to mix and pick up more characters later on you simply add to the pool of what you have for greater diversity.  In short, learn to roll your own!!!!!!!!!  Trust me, its worth it. 

Good skin for Indian girls - http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/241861/ - it also mixes very well in Skin blender to make a "latino" skin.  THe skin for Cathy HD is based on a latino - http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/253071/ - Also, not that I have done a render with her skin yet but Chandra's skin is gorgeous - http://www.daz3d.com/p3d-chandra-hd-for-victoria-7

Aerandiel for V4 by Arki.  I am totally in love with this character.  Just.. wow.

To those, like Ice Dragon Art, who are wading into the deep, dark waters of documenting Victoria 4 characters, I admire your courage and resolve. I myself have 227 purchased characters and 844 free characters for the figure in my collection, not counting well over a hundred more for the base figure morphs like Aiko 4, Stephanie 4, The Girl 4 and She Freak 4. And I know that I don't have them all, especially in the purchased category. Mind boggling.

i'm a bit afraid to count all of my characters.  Although now, I am going to have to cause you have made me curious lol.

There are also these: V4 for G2F and M4 for G2M

I have tried to design a poncho to be as fluid as possible with plenty of morphs and 6 hierarchical pose presets to help with sitting ect.

It will be available in my shop soon.

Hi. 

Can you tell me the name of the product that helps to convert Victoria 4 to genesis 2. Or genesis 1 to Genesis 2?   This http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-for-genesis-2-female  seems work well with texture. It even allows to apply body shapes.   But I can't get damn face shape.  How Can I do it? 

I believe you need this http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-for-genesis-2-female to use V4 UVs with Genesis 2

Victoria 7 pro bundle added to fastgrab: http://www.daz3d.com/fast-grab-3d-models/

pfft

I bought on her release; and tbh, there can't be many left who haven't got. :)

I don't...but even at that price I can't.

Dana

Yeah, I have the base figure but none of her bundles. I actually don't have a single "7 figure" bundle - neither male nor female. They had a REALLY GOOD discount recently but it only lasted about 2 or 3 hours and I missed it, and from what I can tell it was a mistake anyway. I've been wanting to get the anatomical elements but they refuse to sell them unless you buy a pro bundle. So mean. lol :P Ah well, maybe I'll be able to get a pro bundle or two eventually. :) I don't NEED the anatomical bits, it would just be nice to do some tasteful nude art. :)

To those, like Ice Dragon Art, who are wading into the deep, dark waters of documenting Victoria 4 characters, I admire your courage and resolve. 

So..... dive in! I'm working on Genesis 3 and working my way back. I won't get to generation 4 for a VERY long time. 

Victoria 7 pro bundle added to fastgrab: http://www.daz3d.com/fast-grab-3d-models/

pfft

I bought on her release; and tbh, there can't be many left who haven't got. :)

I don't...but even at that price I can't.

Dana

Back in 2003, I bought a big order from DAZ around Christmastime. Among the things I bought were Victoria's Changing Ponytail Collection (list price $59.95), Victoria's Changing Ponytail Expansion Pak (list price $29.95), and Victoria's Changing Ponytail Expansion Maps/Poses (list price $9.95). I think (it's tough to tell exactly from the old invoice record as the discounts aren't given individually for the items) I ended up paying about $25 total for those 3 things given all the varioius discounts I took advantage of in that order.

Compare that to the new  OOT Top Model Updo (list price $29.95) which you can get for $20.97 with the intro 30% discount and Top Model Hair Texture XPansion (list price $14.95) which you can get for $10.47 with the intro 30%, which you can probably get even cheaper with various other sales discounts right now (when I put just those 2 things in my cart with nothing else, the total comes to $26.73).

Bear in mind, these two sets of products fill exactly the same niche, in fact they're almost identical products conceptually/functionally, though the newer one fits the newest model and takes advantage of renderer improvements etc.

Another blast from the past, looking at my first order of record here at DAZ back in 2001, I bought the Victoria 2 model (list price $59.95) for about $33. And that's just the mesh, rigging, and, to give credit several, built in morphs, but no textures. Yesterday I picked up Monique 7 for about $17, you get the base G3F model and texture for free and you can get the base G3F body and head morphs for $5.59 each right now.

Have things really changed that much in terms of pricing over time?

Hi. Can someone help me. 

I am using this product http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/16559/start    to convert Victoria 4 to genesis 2. 

Well acutally I have victoria 4.2  

So. Texture skin and body shapes work fine. It converts witout any problem. But I can't convert shape of the face. So the face remains to be the same. What can be done about that? Any ideas? 

To those, like Ice Dragon Art, who are wading into the deep, dark waters of documenting Victoria 4 characters, I admire your courage and resolve. I myself have 227 purchased characters and 844 free characters for the figure in my collection, not counting well over a hundred more for the base figure morphs like Aiko 4, Stephanie 4, The Girl 4 and She Freak 4. And I know that I don't have them all, especially in the purchased category. Mind boggling.

Collective3D, I may have the farmhouse you're talking about. I remember it being a pretty good set. I bought a bunch of stuff a year ago when I first started in 3D and had no idea what I was doing. I was trying to make the house look older by retexturing but was struggling because I was so new at everything . Time to try again now that I've learned my way around everything better. I'll take a look at your haunted exterior. I don't think I have that one.

I'd love to know if you end up doing a Queen Victoria. I could definitely use it. Architecture is a huge theme in my Midwest series, which centers around a family that rebuilds and restores homes. In the next book, they're taking on an infamous old (Addams Family type) mansion with plenty of problems and a dark history. It's going to be fun. Hoping to find a suitable one to put in the background of the book cover and for the promos. I'd prefer to do it in 3D instead of using stock photos because you get so much more mileage out of 3D. I love the versatility. Release date for that book is some time this spring but that may get pushed back as everything is taking an eternity right now.

Victoria 7 pro bundle added to fastgrab: http://www.daz3d.com/fast-grab-3d-models/

pfft

I bought on her release; and tbh, there can't be many left who haven't got. :)

I haven't got her. But even at 70% off she still holds little appeal. If it was Bethany's pro bundle, I'd be all over that.

yeh V7 is one I'd return if I could.