Realy Cool...

This configuration  is also valid for other model of characters !?
Victoria 7, Michael 3, Aiko ... Etc ?!

Portrait of Victoria 4

Bryce 7 Pro. Render Regular AA, time 2:58:19.
Lighting: Cube Dome Light, Radial Light, Spotlight.
New render of old work 2009, in Corel Bryce 5.

Is see both sides of the argument exaggerating to make the emotions behind their arguments felt. I appreciate it.

I can dig it. As the OP said, details can be updated later.

And if they can't, a vendor has many options on how to fully describe their product. Most use something.

Here's my anecdote. Last night while cruising through older items, looking for a big discount, I came across an item called "Defender of the Temple!!!!!" or something like that. 

It doesn't say whether you're buying a figure, props, a pose, a temple etc...it's just an awesome render of a figure leaping through the air.

ONLY from experience do I know that I need to STUDY that product to see exactly what it is.

Modern products include the props (usually). The gun...comes with the outfit....Look, the newest release the fencing pose product.

http://www.daz3d.com/magna-flux-sabre-poses-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-victoria-7

Comes with the sword! And it says Genesis 3 AND VICTORIA.

Look at the promo pics! Several....examples.... Oh lawd, it mentions both rendering engines...

I had to look up "Magna Flux" to see what it was...

http://www.daz3d.com/magna-flux-for-genesis-3-female-s

And it's not a REQUIRED ITEM.

And the title says POSES.

I can't imagine what more midnight_stories could do to present his product. Great, great job.

Quite possibly, that's what you expect when you shop here and the OLDER products aren't updated or the store wasn't this streamlined in the past.

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In the end there are three sides to this.

Old Buyers/Users - everything is fine, leave everything the way I'm used to it working. I adapted, you'll adapt too.

Vendors/Daz store - we work within these limitations and are doing the best we can.

New Customers - who are still falling for every pitfall imaginable. 

And there are too many to name. I don't know how to fix them aside from some kind of major overhaul to EVERY part of this entire Daz system.

And it might be too late to make that big a sweeping change without building a whole new store and/or suffer a massive downtime.

I've only been here 4 months and I see the same issues/problems over and over again.

Sure, after 6 months, I'll probably know enough to navigate the vast Daz sea, but this beginning really hurt. My feelings and my wallet.

Someone just installed Daz and they are joining us during March Madness.

I envy them for the sales and discounts and the wideness of the world they will encounter.

I feel bad for them when they try to use stuff and don't know about the Genesis differences...compatibility....Install Manager...the Library system...

Their C: drive filling up. Black renders. Overnight render times.

Where's my hair? A morph and a figure...?

That figure I bought is naked and bald?! What about the business suit in the picture?

I thought a bought a place? This is only a backdrop?

Why won't these damn heels fit?

Why is his butt poking through his armor?
Wait, why do I have to buy this to use this?

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It's a learning curve for sure. Certainly worth it, but a  steep curve and I don't really mean the Daz Software. (that's a whole nother can of worms)

I mean how this whole product/store/discount thing works.

So yeah, you learn to have sympathy for the vendors and also for the new customers who are probably the life blood of Daz. Who else is going to spend thousands?

Yes, respect the elders, the founding fathers who built this place through their faithful purchases and renders.

The money THEY SPENT to assure you have a place to spend yours (and get awesome products to fuel your imagination).

Honor the great moderators and users who post tirelessly- answering the same damn questions every day.

Heap attention on all the artists who share their work and inspire new people to push harder towards that perfect render.

The future user, though. That person is going to pay next month's bills.

A special nod to them. 

I've gotten a handle on some things, dealt with some issues and know what to look for (pretty much).
We gotta balance these perspectives. All of us. Keep it realistic when it comes to expectations.

3D Art FREEBIE CHALLENGE-Febuary 2017- MAKE HIM/HER PAY FOR IT YOU SAY!!

Surprise!

And so, each member of the family has a brief moment of reflection as the they consider the new member of their family. Their thoughts:

Father: Now, what are we going to need? Bowls, a leash. Oh, and a collar. And tags. And a doghouse, and chew toys, and a chain, and lots of balls, and a bed ... We're going to need to go shopping. Oh, and a name. Maybe Duchess.

Mother: OK, who exactly is going to feed the dog, walk the dog, pick up after the dog, train the dog, bath the dog, brush the dog ...? Sigh. And what are we going to call her? Maybe Penny?

Teenage Daughter: If that thing so much as comes near my room ...! Do not mess with my things, Princess.

Young daughter: Ooooooooooooooooohhh! Puppy!

DAZ Studio/3Delight render, no postwork.

Required SLVM freebies by niceshoez:
1. Pencil Skirt For Genesis Basic Female*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/85350/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Pencil-Skirt-For-Genesis-Basic-Female-Reupload
2. High Heel Sandals 1 For G2F*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/86650/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/High-Heel-Sandals-1-For-G2F

Paid content: Millenium Dog LE by DAZ (used to be free but I don't believe it is any longer)

No counts:

Victoria 4 and Morphs++ by DAZ (mother and teenager)
Michael 4 and Morphs++ by DAZ (father)
Millennium Kids - Young Teens (Laura) by DAZ (young daughter)
RDNA Fog - former freebie, no longer available

Free content used: (* - Registration required)

Kitchen

1. Kitchen Nr 2 by oldtimer* (converted to object format in Blender)
http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/70272
2. Mock's knife and Cleaver by Mock*
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/mocks-knife-and-cleaver/77061
3. Realistic Vegetables by by Senem Sonkaya*  (object format included)
https://grabcad.com/library/realistic-vegetables-3ds-max-1
4. Rose by weld*
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/rose/74900
5. Fisty's Liquids - DS Shaders & Poser MT5s by Fisty* (Includes wine glass)
http://www.sharecg.com/v/82337/browse/7/Material-and-Shader/Fistys-Liquids-DS-Shaders-Poser-MT5s
6. Wine Bottle by tavernalynda*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/26093/browse/5/3D-Model/WINE-BOTTLE

Dog

7. Conforming Ribbon Figure for V4/A4 by Adam Thwaites*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/23916/browse/11/Poser/Conforming-Ribbon-Figure-for-V4-A4
8. Mutt MATs by katastrophe*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/25286/browse/11/Poser/Mutt-MATs

Father:

9. Nicholas for M4 by Unicornst *
http://www.sharecg.com/v/38154/favorite/21/DAZ-Studio/Nicholas-for-M4-Part01
http://www.sharecg.com/v/38155/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Nicholas-for-M4-Part02
http://www.sharecg.com/v/38156/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Nicholas-for-M4-Part03
10. Scott Hair for M4 by Mylochka*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/38505/browse/11/Poser/Scott-Hair
11. Volgs Jacket by StudioArtVartanian *
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/volgs-jacket/61132
12. 3DC Simple Glasses Smartprop for M4*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/37667/browse/11/Poser/M4-Simple-Glasses-Smartprop
13. Basicwear for M4 (T shirt) by DAZ Originals*
http://www.daz3d.com/basicwear-for-m4?cjref=1&utm_source=cj&utm_medium=affiliate
14. Newport Outfit for Genesis 2 Male(s) (pants) by DAZ Originals* (Free with the Inside the Asylum Bundle)
http://www.daz3d.com/inside-the-asylum-bundle

Teenage Daughter: (in addition to niceshoes freebies noted above)

15. P3D Megan texture (for V4)*
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/?item_id=73121
16. Mars Hair for V4
http://www.realmofsavage.com/ProjectSM_hair.htm
17. Assorted colors for Mars Hair by Moonfly*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/40157/gallery/11/Poser/Assorted-colors-for-Mars-Hair
18. EvilInnocence Baby t for V4*
http://www.evilinnocence.com/shop/am-babyt-for-v4.html
19. Drusila BabyT Textures*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/27463/browse/11/Poser/BabyT-textures
20. Stud Earrings for Poser (for V4)*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/39163/browse/11/Poser/Stud-Earrings-for-Poser
21. Donna Michelle for V4 by HeRaZa*  (necklace)
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/donna-michelle-for-v4/62654

Young Daughter:

22. Holly for V3 morph and texture by Tasha
https://web.archive.org/web/20050206131847/http://mysticfantasies.com/freebies.htm
23. Sickle Skater Shoes V4A4G4SF4M4H4F4 by SickleYield*
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/sickle-skater-shoes-v4a4g4sf4m4h4f4/59510
24. Pluto Hair for V4
http://www.realmofsavage.com/ProjectSM_hair.htm
25. Assorted Colors for Pluto Hair by Moonfly*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/40123/browse/11/Poser/Assorted-Colors-for-Pluto-Hair
26. NameBrand Jeans Revamped by Jan*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/35556/browse/11/Poser/NameBrand-Jeans-Revamped
Bah Humbug Xmas Sweatshirt by Evilinnocence - former RDNA freebie, no longer available
Stud Earrings for Poser (for V4)* (also used for sister - aleady counted)

Mother:

27. PD Christa character and texture by P3Design*
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/pdchrista/58554
28. Pony Tail by Kozaburo (#8 on the page)
http://digitalbabes.jp/dload1.html
29. Texture Challenge 48 oufit by Sanbie (sweater)
http://www.pfddelights.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=cvkaobb0jj951e6doedc19j6c4&topic=902.0
30. TC48 - Textures by eblank99*
https://www.sharecg.com/v/79470/view/11/Poser/TC48-Textures%20%20eblank99
Newport Outfit for Genesis 2 Male(s) (pants) by DAZ Originals* (also used for father - aleady counted)
Sickle Skater Shoes V4A4G4SF4M4H4F4 by SickleYield* (also used for young daughter - aleady counted)
31. Diamond-Heart-Ring by LuxXeon
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Diamond-Heart-Ring-Free-3D-Model-455391826 
32. Lilo - character & props for V3 by Bice* (glasses and earrings)
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/lilo---character-props-for-v3/34538
33. Lollipop And Spoons by dcartist12*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/57629/browse/5/3D-Model/Lollipop-And-Spoons

And also, the indispensables - shaders:

34. Ultimate Shader Pack for DAZ Studio UPDATED_2011 by Georgehaze*
http://www.sharecg.com/v/27568/material-and-shader/Ultimate-Shader-Pack-for-DAZ-Studio
35. Pd-Daz Studio Soft Leather Shaders by Parrotdolphin (Janet)*
https://www.sharecg.com/v/78685/browse/7/Material-and-Shader/Pd-Daz-Studio-Soft-Leather-Shaders
36. REC Satin Shaders by redeyecat
https://redeyecat.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/rec-satin-shaders/

Well, they obviously bought the Michael / Victoria (insert generation here) pro pack, which includes the neccessary props, and then slapped their shapes and textures on it.... Honestly, you just need one pro pack of each gender in a generation to "serve" all your males/females of that generation. Of course, you won't see them as images in the shop due to different policies regarding promo images. But if you check the description, for example for this new character: http://www.daz3d.com/fw-mateo-hd-for-michael-7, under "What's included and features", it lists "

• Character MAT
• Anatomical Elements MAT

As for kids/teens, I do understand why they don't come with textures for the gens. Getting/owning the source material alone would get you into jail in many countries. For males, you can work around missing textures using a cutout of texture from below the navel for base colour, and the bump from an adult set for the boys (if you are doing a "kids frolick at the beach without diapers" scene or something like that). It will give the gens the same colouring as the rest of the skin, though of course it won't hold up to close-up scrutiny.

thanks Barbult.  sometimes the randomness is a total potpourri and sometimes it easily fits together.

Pull #3

Northern Terrace Kitchen Utensils 
Queen Anne Parlor Furniture Part One 
Speed Lights Outdoor Light Set 1 
V4.2 Bodysuit 

As well as everything we're expecting, there'll be lots of what we're not.

I'm going to go out on a limb and 'predict' G4 and Studio 4.10 or possilby 5.0 - probably with some skimp-wear.

Now I remember what I dreamt off during my long trip home in the train - that DAZ released Genesis 4 and that V8 was in the store. I remember feeling desperate about how now all the Genesis 3 line will get discontinued... What a nightmare.

I suspect one major DAZ character bundle, probably Mika 7 (female) somewhere on a Thursday. The sales will start out badly, but slowly some stacking and bonus will appear. And then there will be a major Stonemason release buying which at 40% will give you some bonus on something. Like a gift card. Halfway the sale, for those who got dry. 

Well once a new generation appears, the releases for earlier ones slow and pretty much stop soon after; but the discounts on them start to get really, really good; so i really really like that silver lining.

Mika does seem to be due. I'm curious about the character, and may even be tempted.

 

After having been away from the Daz store for many years and being a Poser-only user, I came back to the Daz store last year during March Madness just to check it out, hoping for great deals on old V4 or Poser-friendly products that I might not already have and popped in when they offered V7 and G3 head/body morphs free with a Stonemason product. I tried the newest version of DS to see if I could finally wrap my brain around it, managed to do a simple test render with G3 and invested in the Stonemason deal then fell in love with V7 and went all in (and in a tirade about why there is no manual for DS, I was finally willing to learn it, but couldn't!) A year later, I caught up on all generations of Genesis and still really only know the basics of DS, but able to at least create decent portraits and pinups because that part is pretty similar to Poser (and without computers capable of NVIDIA cards, can't really do scenes) but I still have sooo much to learn! 

Anyway, my prediction is they will have a lot of intro offers like that for newbies. Get people sucked in with great intro offers and sell a lot of products to people who don't even know how to use the software yet. My dream would be that they finally sell a manual that includes ALL capabilities of DS, I think it would be their best seller ever! 

I would hate to have to be the one to keep said manual updated. Richard would be good at it though. :)

I have plenty to render; I've even been buying Victoria 4 era - and finding some of the textures as good or better than what is available now. So I'm not in any hurry to buy anything; but there is always something to surprise one; FaceGen was one such example.

Yeah, I splurged on FaceGen which I'm loving for new original looking characters and I have about 20 characters I created waiting to be rendered on my CPU only computer... I am so addicted to it now (and already have sooo many products) that I'm not that excited about this sale, especially since I really have to hold off financially for a while. Grutilda looks really cool and is in my wishlist. These sales are great when you have expendable income, but almost frustrating when you don't.... But I already have so many products, I could render something new every day for 20 years or more probably! 

Please anyone  can they help Me? I have used other programs but this one  wont work for me please help!!!!!!!! Ive used the pose convertor but this program just doesnt work what am I doing wrong?

Here is Tsukiko for Aiko 5 from the Daz freebies. This is Shape 2. Note that Young Teens 5 Julie Morph is required for Tsukiko Shape 2. The skin uses the Victoria 4 UV. The hair is Despoina Hair. The dress is Hip Retro Dress. I used Iray Converter for Genesis on the skin and UHT2 with the "use original textures" option on the hair. I used AllenArt Shimmery Sheer Fabric - Iray from ShareCG on the dress.

I had a terrible time applying expressions to this character. They didn't look right. Maybe it is her very pointy chin that throws them off. I even tried expressions specifically for Aiko 5. In the end, I just dialed a little smile, which still looks off to me.

As well as everything we're expecting, there'll be lots of what we're not.

I'm going to go out on a limb and 'predict' G4 and Studio 4.10 or possilby 5.0 - probably with some skimp-wear.

Now I remember what I dreamt off during my long trip home in the train - that DAZ released Genesis 4 and that V8 was in the store. I remember feeling desperate about how now all the Genesis 3 line will get discontinued... What a nightmare.

I suspect one major DAZ character bundle, probably Mika 7 (female) somewhere on a Thursday. The sales will start out badly, but slowly some stacking and bonus will appear. And then there will be a major Stonemason release buying which at 40% will give you some bonus on something. Like a gift card. Halfway the sale, for those who got dry. 

Well once a new generation appears, the releases for earlier ones slow and pretty much stop soon after; but the discounts on them start to get really, really good; so i really really like that silver lining.

Mika does seem to be due. I'm curious about the character, and may even be tempted.

After having been away from the Daz store for many years and being a Poser-only user, I came back to the Daz store last year during March Madness just to check it out, hoping for great deals on old V4 or Poser-friendly products that I might not already have and popped in when they offered V7 and G3 head/body morphs free with a Stonemason product. I tried the newest version of DS to see if I could finally wrap my brain around it, managed to do a simple test render with G3 and invested in the Stonemason deal then fell in love with V7 and went all in (and in a tirade about why there is no manual for DS, I was finally willing to learn it, but couldn't!) A year later, I caught up on all generations of Genesis and still really only know the basics of DS, but able to at least create decent portraits and pinups because that part is pretty similar to Poser (and without computers capable of NVIDIA cards, can't really do scenes) but I still have sooo much to learn! 

Anyway, my prediction is they will have a lot of intro offers like that for newbies. Get people sucked in with great intro offers and sell a lot of products to people who don't even know how to use the software yet. My dream would be that they finally sell a manual that includes ALL capabilities of DS, I think it would be their best seller ever! 

I would hate to have to be the one to keep said manual updated. Richard would be good at it though. :)

I have plenty to render; I've even been buying Victoria 4 era - and finding some of the textures as good or better than what is available now. So I'm not in any hurry to buy anything; but there is always something to surprise one; FaceGen was one such example.

I see everybody moves their refelctions in, nice ones!

Mike that is one lot of reflection with all those balls, must be some car presentation show, they do all they can to divert attention from the car ;)

Great idea with the double reflection deeleelaw57!

 

Thank you Linwelly, I also thought your Shattered render was excellent. All of the renders here are great. I like Kismet 2012 and MN-150374 spherical idea, so many shinny things and I have so few CUDA Cores.

The only reflection in my render is from Victoria 7. The Hag was added with the Double Exposure Camera.

woo hoot.. extra points for using the camera ... (winks)

I have found on my disk this portrait of Victoria 4. Date of creation 6/25/2009, in Corel Bryce 5. Of course, many materials are adjusted incorrectly here. Just I am not engaged in characters now and I even have no DAZ Studio.
Just as I remember, that carefully staged lighting and rendering was long.

Thanks, barbult, Saphirewild, Gopherus. Barbult, I will have to bring Mr Poofypants back for another encore. Gopherus, The Lone Gunmen? Was that the X-Files spinoff with the 3 conspiracy nuts? If so, I used to watch that but don't remember any episodes (but I don't remember a lot of things.) 

barbult #1 - Pretty gloomy place but at least they have windows (and pets.) Beautiful render.
barbult #2 - Aahh, the beautiful leg lamp! It probably confused the poor reptile as much as anything - looks tasty but something's not right. 
barbult #3 - LOL, brilliant use of your pull!
barbult #4 Haha, great use of Esidor Hair (one of my favorites hairs.)
Gopherus #1 I love Odin yelling and the other expressions. And a holdup inside? Will Odin ever get his burgers and fries?
barbult #5 Yes, the kid knows how to get attention. (I predict a sucessful future. Huge.)

Pull #3:
Apprentice Mage in the Tower
Victoria Iven for Genesis 3 Female(s)
Hinde
Unrealty Downtown
Wicked Pyjama Party
Alligator

I predict that the DAZ Mathemagicians will come up with a new incentive scheme so complex as to make every previous sale straightforward. By Day 4, people will be wandering around muttering "But if I buy the Unflateable Pony and three items whose names begin with 'R' from a featured artist catalog, then I will accumulate enough quatloos to get me a 4.72% discount on Victoria 8 HD when she's released in 2018, but only if I renew my Platinum Club subscription before March 8th, without spending all the flibbertigibets that I earned by buying the Millennium Wombat and five items from the Build-your-own-Dinosaur Bundle. Or was it seven items from the People, Places and Things That You Might Plausibly Use To Chase a Raccoon Out of the Sauna Flash Sale?"

I predict that not less than 3.8% of active DAZ users will make at least one joke about their credit card screaming and running away to hide behind the sofa.

I predict that March Madness will begin in February and end in April.

I predict that Jack Tomalin will change his avatar to include a preposterous hat.

I predict that not less than 5.6% of active DAZ users will compliment Jack on his avatar's preposterous hat.

I predict that DAZ will throw in at least one gift card sale part-way through the month so that people can tell themselves that they're saving money, even while they spend their kid's college fund buying Naughty Space Undies HD for Victoria 7.

I predict that the Unflateable Pony will, once again, fail to show up, but if it does at least one of the artist renders will show it wearing Jack's preposterous hat. Or possibly Naughty Space Undies HD. Or both.

I predict that Jack Tomalin will change his avatar a second time, to showcase a second, even more preposterous hat.

I predict that I will spend far too much money.

I see everybody moves their refelctions in, nice ones!

Mike that is one lot of reflection with all those balls, must be some car presentation show, they do all they can to divert attention from the car ;)

Great idea with the double reflection deeleelaw57!

 

Thank you Linwelly, I also thought your Shattered render was excellent. All of the renders here are great. I like Kismet 2012 and MN-150374 spherical idea, so many shinny things and I have so few CUDA Cores.

The only reflection in my render is from Victoria 7. The Hag was added with the Double Exposure Camera.

That is important info for me. So you are saying Predatron figures can use BVH? That is my only doubt for buying Lorenzo and Loretta. They are not based on Victoria or Micheal. But if the skeleton is the same it should work. I want to use BVH a lot and Genesis does work, but it is messy and needs too much editing. That is why I went back to V4. With Genesis, extra bones are added, which are not recognized by BVH.

One thing I like about Genesis' extra bones is that the aniBlocks don't have them included, leaving free for individual tweaks. Like I can use Abdomen 2 to arch the character back a bit more in the upper torso or the Pelvis to rock the legs forward or backward. 

The LoRez figures are not based on M4 or V4, but they are made to the same scale and, aside from the feet thing being different, they use M4 and V4 aniBlocks well - but that's coming from me, whom really doesn't mind tweaking things to work when it comes to animation. 

I also like Posermocap's animated poser pose files for M4 and V4, like Spy Moves and the like. I haven't tried his for Genesis yet. SKAmotion's are also quite excellent. But the GoFigure aniBlock sets come with so many different motions that I find myself using my collection of those the most - but often not using all of the bones at the same time, as I explain in this

► AniMating in Carrara

You've likely seen that article before, but it truly is my preferred method of animating as a home director kind of workflow. I do quite often create my own custom animations too - for very specific needs. I love doing that. But more times than not, I'm using the Mocap data from those mentioned above.

It's been a long time since I've imported a BVH file. Here's a thread I've stored on that topic:

* importing bvh files into Carrara 8

I have the complete Carnegie collection of M4/V4 converted BVH files, and I remember them to be excellent. I may get back into trying them some day.

Beautiful work, mori_mann and deeleelaw57! Well done!

Thank you all very much for the kind comments!

@Kismet2012 : It was made in LuxRender with the opportunity of network rendering, it was possible to cut the rendertime down to a small eternity.

@Linwelly : That was one of my thoughts too. So I disarmed Victoria with everyday streetware, instead of a bikini.

Victoria 8, with 7 PA characters that look exactly like her with slight variations in the tan and makeup OR look nothing like her making you wonder why Victoria8 is required when you could have just applied it to Genesis4F... 

That is important info for me. So you are saying Predatron figures can use BVH? That is my only doubt for buying Lorenzo and Loretta. They are not based on Victoria or Micheal. But if the skeleton is the same it should work. I want to use BVH a lot and Genesis does work, but it is messy and needs too much editing. That is why I went back to V4. With Genesis, extra bones are added, which are not recognized by BVH.

After I apply Victoria 4 shape to G3F, the feet behave as if wearing high heeled shoes (stands on tip toes as I dial in the Vic 4 shape). Also, G3F poses don't work well when G3F has Vic 4 shape. Is this to be expected?

Just curious if I did something wrong. To get Vic 4 shape, I just moved a single morph for Vic 4 to G3F and the shape appeared for me to use.  Perhaps I should have moved all the morphs...or maybe poses for G3F simply don't work perfectly on an older shape like Vic 4...