I bypassed G3 because of a few objections - (1) I really don't like V7's face as much as V5 and V6, because I use these as a springboard for dial-spinning my own characters.  M7's face is nice but his smile looks fake.  M5 is a hunk. Gianni 6 is cook but Gianni 7 - yuck.  (2) I don't like the reduced polygons.  (3) There doesn't appear to be as many musculature morphs available without having to buy extra morph packs.

So I decided to wait for G4.  I started Daz when G1 was out and have heavily invested in G1 and G2.  That being said, I am planning to pick up the G3/G2 UV conversions, because I want to be able to use the skins from V4 on up.  Also, if I really want some of the shapes for V7/M7 in G4, I can pick up one of the Legacy packs.

It is likely that I will not invest as heavily in G4, either.  I'm one of those people who still makes use of old runtime, even V4/M4.  For example, unless I need G4 children or old people, I probably won't pick up growing up or aging morphs because I can use the G1 or G2 and they look fine.  I would pick up as many body and face morph kits as possible for versatility.  I can always update the surfaces to improve the look.

I have certain uses for the Daz characters for my book, and since there simply isn't product out there that meets my style exactly, so I'm looking into creating my own (clothes and some characters).  I have a feline race in mind and was originally going to create it for G2, but now I will probably do it for G4 and maybe try to sell it if it looks good enough. 

Lastly, I'm curious if they will offer Victoria 8 for free the same way they did for Victoria 7.  I missed that by one day (grrr), so I will be watching closely.

genesis 3 and victoria 7 all the way. Rumor has it that genesis 4 is coming out sooner than later, so if it was me, and I hadn't invested in either generation 2 or 3, I would play with both base generations since they come with DS and wait to invest in the next generation

As for compatibility, with a few addons you can get most skins and clothes to fit either generation

Also, do you render in IRAY or 3DL since the newest generation and it's addons are optimized more for IRAY

Victoria 5=based off the all-purpose, androgynous Genesis base figure.

Genesis 2 came with separate male and female base figures. Superior skin and sculpture realism, allegedly superior bends, though I can't say I noticed the bending being all that impressive the few times I played with Genesis 2. The main thing Genesis 2 has going for it over Genesis 3 IMO is a more varied and creative wardrobe (although with the right addons you can use alot of them on Genesis 3). It is also less complicated to use V4/M4 and Genesis 1 skins on Genesis 2 than on Genesis 3. People who know more about animation than I do say that there are major unresolved issues on animating with Genesis 3.

Victoria 6=based on Genesis 2 Female.

Genesis 3 also comes with separate male and female base figures. The addition of Iray, an unbiased renderer similar to Lux/Octane, as a base Daz Studio tool meant that they really upped their game IMO in terms of overall realism on Genesis 3. First real improvement in bends that I've seen since V4/M4. Also autofitting (with the right addons, like Wear Them All) is alot less crappy than it was in Genesis 1's time, so borrowing clothes from earlier figures (except for shoes, armor and maybe capes) is a lot more viable than it used to be. Genesis 3 is supposedly a simpler mesh than the previous characters, using textures and normal maps to make up the difference, so you can have more stuff in a scene without it crashing (allowing for the memory intensiveness of Iray). It requires more complicated addons to get older skins onto Genesis 3, and a special addons to the GenX morph transfer tool to transfer older characters.

Victoria 7=based on Genesis 3 Female base figure.

Aesthetically, you'll have to make up your own mind. I feel like Genesis 3 has produced more interesting and attractive male characters than Genesis 2, maybe marginally less attractive women than Genesis 2. But I have weird taste, and you should NOT judge by me.

The last time I played with any of the Genesis figure it was back with Victoria 5.

Is there an article or forum post stating the differences between Victoria 6 and 7?, or maybe one stating what 7 brings to the table?

I'm thinking on getting one of those figures but I'm not sure what to get, what's compatible with what, and the like.

Thanks!

Hello all,

There is a way to model with Genesis 3 (Victoria 7) bingowings?

Bingowings is the fat under the arm that is visible with fat and old people.

Maybe https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-female-body-morph-resource-kit-2 with 5 Arms Shaping Morphs can works? Someone with that package can try?

Thank you

AutoFit works on the base shape, your morphs aren't doing anything (though you could export them as OBJ and then load as morphs for the refitted item). Star 2.0 is for Genesis 3 Female - to convert Victoria 4 clothing you either have to AutoFit the V4 clothing to Genesis, then the Genesis conversion to Genesis 2 Female, then the Genesis 2 Female version to Genesis 3 Female, or you need something like Wear Them All for Genesis 3 Female to go in one step.

Blind Owl,

The first one, the Scarlett Johansson clone, seems to be Elena that's offered at Renderosity. The second, with Kool's Vacation Style Set for Genesis 3 Female(s), seems to be Summer for Victoria 7. 

But Victoria 4 was more like Genesis 3 than Victoria 7. Really the idea of characters made for a named model is kind of a legacy thing in and of itself, but it does lend a value add to DO feature bundles. 

The thing about these DAZ Original figures is that they are expensive, but there isn't a lot of characters made for them.  I could understand chaging $30 or $40 if there's going to be lots of characters made - then it would make some sense to charge a lot for the base figure.  But if there's only a couple of characters made, then it makes no sense to charge so much for the base figure.  The artists who are selling the charactrers for these base figures are losing a lot of sales.  Remember when Victoria 3 or Victoria 4 had dozens of characters made for them - and hundreds of pieces of clothes, and hair models?  There are only 5 characters made for Keiko.  Tween Julie 7 has 3 characters made for it. 

I recently noticed that some of the characters in my collection are missing. Namely Victoria 4.2, Aiko 4, Girl 4 and Hiro 4.

The DAZ Studio being used is 4.9 (latest version/updates). Are the mentioned characters no longer compatible with 4.9?

I can't agree more and that is why I make these sets so we have more to choose from and create characters more richer and with different looks. Glad you like it.

An Alicia or Gemma character wold be sweet! Hope somebody create one.

As for the set, it is not designed to work on the genesis 3 base figure. The product page says it is compatible with Genesis 3 "Figure" because you can use it with this generation as opposed to Genesis 2 for example. Also is stated that Victoria 7 is Required. Hope this helps with the confusion ;)

Hi Posermatic,

Thanks for Natural Petite Morphs for Victoria 7. Although the Product Page says that this product is compatible with Genesis 3 female, this is only partly true. If you dial these morphs at 100% on G3f then you can get some wrinkling etc or just different shapes. So, my question is, will you please release a Natural Petite Morphs for Genesis 3 Female, which is 100% compatible with the base G3f body. Are you also thinking of producing Natural Petite Morphs for other iconic 7 shapes? I can imagine petite breasts on some of the normally bustier, Valkeryie Warrior type figures might look rather strange, but some of the more slender, Elvish or teen type figures may benefit from a set of Natural Petite Morphs. Let's face reality not all teens are destined to have chests like Pamela Anderson or Kate Upton, some may never develop beyond Alicia Vikander or Gemma Ward for example.

Hi Posermatic,

Thanks for Natural Petite Morphs for Victoria 7. Although the Product Page says that this product is compatible with Genesis 3 female, this is only partly true. If you dial these morphs at 100% on G3f then you can get some wrinkling etc or just different shapes. So, my question is, will you please release a Natural Petite Morphs for Genesis 3 Female, which is 100% compatible with the base G3f body. Are you also thinking of producing Natural Petite Morphs for other iconic 7 shapes? I can imagine petite breasts on some of the normally bustier, Valkeryie Warrior type figures might look rather strange, but some of the more slender, Elvish or teen type figures may benefit from a set of Natural Petite Morphs. Let's face reality not all teens are destined to have chests like Pamela Anderson or Kate Upton, some may never develop beyond Alicia Vikander or Gemma Ward for example.

These are both pretty good. My G3F built in only has short hair. I've looked through the hair already installed and none of it seems to 'work'. Not the barefoot dancer, Victoria 6, etc. 
Since I am matching a foreground character to a background (probably in Gimp) i've considered just leaving the model 'nude' and manually coloring in a suit. I'm not that hot an artist where manual drawing is concerned. I suppose I could just practice and do the hair that way, but it would probably look better if I could find a matching hair that doesn't just 'stick' to it's one pose.

Okay, cool. I often never use the expression on my V4 Rosie, but have a lot of them. This one I couldn't resist... I was playing with my new expression for Genesis by SimonWM, and found this one! 

It's the same hair, which is four copies of Angelina Hair that I customized.

The biggest difference in this version of Rosie is that I stylized her more with the Girl 4 Head morph - just a touch. She started out as Victoria 5, but Rosie's (the real Rosie) face is less like Victoria and more like the Basic Female face shape, but with a touch of The Girl for the mouth and eyes.

When I remove the V5 Head from V5, the head shrinks, which worked great for adding the G4 Head morph. One of our daughters looks SO much like The Girl it just kills me! LOL

Anyway, thank you SO Much for the valued input! I really appreciate (and really NEED) that! 

I've really become attached (as I'm sure you have all noticed) to my V4 Rosie - having worked on her for so many years. So any other version I might make has to measure up to her, or get deleted. So far I really like this one, and when I look at me new Genesis 2 Female version, I don't like it anymore.

But that's easily fixed. If there's one thing I did in order to properly test these Genesis figures was to buy up a bunch of great morphs!

I went even further for females with Genesis 2 Female - getting one of Thorne's killer morph packs for merchants, and a bunch of other faces, including ALL of the Daz Ladies (and the younger Belle 6, upon whom Rosie 6 is now based)... that's Rosie 6 on the right.

I often render Rosie with a distressed expression, I see... hmmm

  Dart, which EYEdeas 3+ are you using for your versions?   Would it perhaps be EYEdeas 3+ for Victoria 4 and Michael 4?  Hmm... should I also grab EYEdeas 3+ - Vol. 01 - Natural 1?  This is great that you are using the same eyes for 3 generations.  Keep up the great work... your hours of tweaking have paid off. :)

Yes, that's the one and the example above is using the Natural expansion textures.

These eyes in the Genesis figures are not the same as the ones in my V4 character. For V4 I'm using the figure which contains both eyes and it just conforms like clothing, plus she's got the version which is remapped to use V4 eye maps. EYEdeas 3+ comes with many options for that, so it's good to read the manual before starting, and then using it as a reference as you work.

If we're using the remapped version, we don't have a need for the Naturals expansion. I bought that because, well... I like to have a lot of options. 

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Thanks Dart,  For the explanation.  I should have just grabbed both yesterday... could have had both for under $6... they were on some sale but I didn't realize it.

That looks like Belinda Hair by SWAM

https://www.daz3d.com/belinda-hair-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-genesis-2-female-s-and-victoria-4

  Dart, which EYEdeas 3+ are you using for your versions?   Would it perhaps be EYEdeas 3+ for Victoria 4 and Michael 4?  Hmm... should I also grab EYEdeas 3+ - Vol. 01 - Natural 1?  This is great that you are using the same eyes for 3 generations.  Keep up the great work... your hours of tweaking have paid off. :)

Yes, that's the one and the example above is using the Natural expansion textures.

These eyes in the Genesis figures are not the same as the ones in my V4 character. For V4 I'm using the figure which contains both eyes and it just conforms like clothing, plus she's got the version which is remapped to use V4 eye maps. EYEdeas 3+ comes with many options for that, so it's good to read the manual before starting, and then using it as a reference as you work.

If we're using the remapped version, we don't have a need for the Naturals expansion. I bought that because, well... I like to have a lot of options.

So when I built these eyes for Genesis, I decided to use the ones that use Arki's UV mapping which fits her textures, as well as to use individual eye figures, and parent them to the original eyes on the figure, which is a little more difficult to get right. I used Align to place the EYEdeas over each original eye, then scaled them to the right size (which is why it helps immensely to satisfy yourself on the character's final shape before starting this process) and then aligning a final time after resizing. It really wasn't hard.

Some notes to consider, EYEdeas eyes are spherical and Genesis eyes are not, so slight forward placement adjustments will be required after aligning. I didn't have any trouble, but I did play with this a bit to get them right. 

I'm working on an article with my advanced shader procedure, which really isn't very tricky. I just spemt a lot of time working out my own preferences, but as you know, we all have our own tastes ;)

IG Iray Essentials - Genesis 3 Female & Victoria 7 (by Inane Glory) gives an immediate error and won't install through DIM.

If I fix the ZIP with Content Packaging Assistant, it installs.

Is anyone else having this problem? It might be occuring only with a recent update to the product.

  Dart, which EYEdeas 3+ are you using for your versions?   Would it perhaps be EYEdeas 3+ for Victoria 4 and Michael 4?  Hmm... should I also grab EYEdeas 3+ - Vol. 01 - Natural 1?  This is great that you are using the same eyes for 3 generations.  Keep up the great work... your hours of tweaking have paid off. :)

I was curious about when did studio start?  When was Michael and Victoria released?  And all the historical info like that.