marble said:

Mada said:

marble said:

Oso3D said:

G9 is actually pretty compatible with anything you can autofit. I've had remarkable results with even rigid armor (which normally turns to putty).

I mean, autofit isn't perfect, of course, but it's a lot better than other generational shifts, or even cross-gender stuff. I've been pleasantly surprised; I mean, we PAs have to make a lot of promos and feel the pinch of no G9 native content even more at this point!

'mediocre for full body shots' ... I'm not sure what you're talking about, here; it looks great in full body shots.

 

 

I can't speak for G9 because I have not even loaded the free figure but my past experience is that autofit looks to have worked quite nicely across generations until I start posing - then all kinds of misfitting appears and I either try to fix it in Blender, try to add dForce or - mostly - just abandon it. So my experience is that cross-generation auto-fit is semi-effective to downright poor.

I think you'll find that autofit is working much better this time around, even with posing. A lot of time was spent on the templates and autofit to make clothing compatible from previous generations on a completely different mesh/rig - so far the feedback has been positive :)

The geograft nipples available so far looks good for nudes - and there are more nipple morphs/packs/geografts that will come out, I know of several in the pipeline. I expect that after a bit of time G9 will have more nipple options than any of the previous versions, with way more shapes and sizes than before.

The geograft creators already found that there needs to be 2 nipple sets, one for male and one for female. That is exactly why G9 is created the way it is - the nipples on G1 were always slightly off and on the wrong spot and caused endless issues with clothing.

Just so I understand ... are you saying that the autofit code has been updated so that ALL autofitting (not just for G9) is improved or is this only for fitting older generation clothing to G9?

No - the templates have been improved for G9 - so that outfits convert and pose well on G9. It would involve going back and redoing templates for previous generations to update them all.

As I get time I'll work on adding more templates for outfits like jackets, hoop dresses and loin cloths etc.

With the new visible templates you can load from utilities on G9 it is much easier to add and change the templates too - so if you have a custom character you can edit the template to fit the morph and then after that autofit will add the morph to outfits automatically.

@pwhitacre To avoid the "daz picky guys", you may want to change the title into "how to import obj hair in daz studio" and place the discussion in the daz forum. Again, there's nothing specific to blender in that, and honestly I'm not an expert of morph loader and the various editors in daz studio that you need for rigging and surfacing. I rather do the opposite to import daz in blender.

Here is my male and female versions of the same character. I used one of the randomizer males I created before and dialed in the Older morph to 100%. I changed the female's hair morphs a bit and gave her pink lips and a different shirt decal. Both have V9 HD details dialed in.

Hello,

lets say I want to save the entire setup I made for Samantha (a Genesis 8.1 based morph) in this scene including morphs, pose, facial expressions, outfit, hair, etc... Which is the correct way to do it?

I saved the character as a Caracter Preset (it appears like an Actor in the content browser) but I lost hair, the entire outfit and more important, the facial expression.

Here's the kicker and why I believe so many people are salty. God knows its why I am.

If 9 had better out of the box compatability, even if if broke morphs like g3 to g8, people would grumble and move on. But it breaks everything, which after three generations with semi-compatible compatible clothing, poses, hair, and UVs* is basically a complete tabula rasa, one which is a very bitter pill because we're almost nine years in on Genesis 3/8. Most of us were expecting another year or so of 8.1. If G9 had released along with Daz 5, people would be a lot less upset.

But as is, while I actually do like some of the features of G9, such as the unisex mesh (which was one of the reasons I stuck with Genesis 1 until Genesis 8), and I think seperating the mouth and eyes from the base topology is something that should have been done years ago, and I think adding the gens to the essentals pack was very might the right move, I very much dislike the incompatability issues as well as the topographical issues in the nipple and naval. As I've heard it described, and agree with, Genesis 9 is going to be fantastic for portrates but it looks like it will be comparatively medicore for full body shots, espeically those that have any form of exposure unless you invest in outside products.

Even worse, my personal usecase means that I basically am limited by the effort porting over several hundred individual toon adjustment morphs from a good dozen products because Daz's support for toon-y content has been downright laxidasical since the introduction of iray and even worse, since I tend to do scifi and fantasy renders, most of the outfits I would want to use do not play well with autofit and even without it they can be probelmatic without a number of corrective morphs because I kitbash basically everything.

*Anyone with reasonable experience in Daz can port any G3 clothing item onto G8 in a couple minutes without resorting to autofit, hair in maybe 30 seconds, there more more pose correctors/convereters than most people have fingers, and G8.1 skins can move back with only a little bit of effort with the map transfer tool. Even G8.1s incompatability with G8 expressions can mostly be solved by mucking with file structure.

Someone was going to steal it so I’m holding it for safekeeping.

Paul, an apprentice knight, was beginning to despair: his dream was to protect his city, not to arrest thieves!
"Hey, Paul. What's for dinner today?" The thief asked.
Paul sighed. Kenders was like children. They did not understand the concept of private property and often mistook the prison for a free inn.
"I don't know, Amari. Try asking the guards." Paul replied. "Ah, stop! What do you want to do with my sword?"
"If you put it in your belt like that, someone will steal it from you. I’m holding it for safekeeping." Amari explained.
"Even the sword? Is stealing my helmet not enough for you?"
"I am not a thief! If you lost your helmet, it's not my fault."
"And what is that helmet sticking out of your bag?"
"This is my helmet!" Amari answered confidently.
"That is my helmet." He corrected her gently.
"Really?" She looked at him perplexed. "Well, if it’s yours, why isn’t your name on it…"

FREBIES:
- Chameleon ROse2 for Genesis 8 Female by zoro_d (skin material)
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/85859/chameleon-rose2-for-genesis-8-female

- PS Merry for G8F by pixeluna
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/87285/ps-merry-for-g8f
- The Last Of Us - Ellie Head Morph for G8F
https://www.deviantart.com/tritiumcg/art/The-Last-Of-Us-Ellie-Head-Morph-for-G8F-828813864
- Osuine Elven Add-on by Sangriart
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/79591/osuine-elven-add-on
- Striker Hair for G8F by squarepeg3d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/92674/hair-striker-hair-for-g8f
- Ameizing Hair for G8F by squarepeg3d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/82867/hair-ameizing-hair-for-g8f
- Xmas Bundle by Leilana
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/84013/xmas-bundle
- Cat-Woman Outfit for GF8 by Bonnyb1234 (shoes)
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/88624/cat-woman-outfit-for-gf8
- G2_Sportsdress by Beat578 (bag)
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/75935/g2-sportsdress
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/75936/g2-sportsdress-part2
- Sling Staff Hoopak
https://sharecg.com/v/75469/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Sling-Staff-Hoopak
- Helmet Norman by jackjump
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/91568/helmet-norman

- Paul for Genesis 8M by tottallou
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/77776/paul-for-genesis-8m
- Everyday Hair Style for Genesis 8 Male(s) by zoro_d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/80194/everyday-hair-style-for-genesis-8-male-s-
- Knight armor 13th by jackjump
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/91667/knight-armor-13th
- Medieval sword pack ver 2 by porsimo
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/59477/medieval-sword-pack-ver-2
- Props - Darkest Dungeon by squarepeg3d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/80254/modular-madness---darkest-dungeon

- Fantasy House 1 by DryJack
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/66847/fantasy-house-1
- Kyklades-flower pot 4
https://sharecg.com/v/8214/gallery/11/Poser/Kyklades-flower-pot-4

- Pd-Soft Leather Daz Studio Shaders for Iray
https://sharecg.com/v/80223/gallery/7/Material-and-Shader/Pd-Soft-Leather-Daz-Studio-Shaders-for-Iray
- Iray Fur Shaders by TerraMoore
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/88081/iray-fur-shaders
- Iray Jewelry Shaders by AllenArt
https://sharecg.com/v/95893/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/Iray-Jewelry-Shaders
- IRay Shader Sampler by RubiconDigital
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/83782/iray-shader-sampler
- Texture: wall stone 023
https://3dtextures.me/2022/04/03/wall-stone-023/
- Texture: pavement brick 001
https://3dtextures.me/2018/01/19/pavement-brick-001/

- VA2016: RGB HDRI Soft Lights for Daz Studio
http://www.valzheimer.info/2016/11/va2016-rgb-hdri-soft-lights-for-daz.html

NO COUNT
- Genesis 8 Female Body Morphs (Height Morph)

Dhivael said:

Someone was going to steal it so I’m holding it for safekeeping.

Paul, an apprentice knight, was beginning to despair: his dream was to protect his city, not to arrest thieves!
"Hey, Paul. What's for dinner today?" The thief asked.
Paul sighed. Kenders was like children. They did not understand the concept of private property and often mistook the prison for a free inn.
"I don't know, Amari. Try asking the guards." Paul replied. "Ah, stop! What do you want to do with my sword?"
"If you put it in your belt like that, someone will steal it from you. I’m holding it for safekeeping." Amari explained.
"Even the sword? Is stealing my helmet not enough for you?"
"I am not a thief! If you lost your helmet, it's not my fault."
"And what is that helmet sticking out of your bag?"
"This is my helmet!" Amari answered confidently.
"That is my helmet." He corrected her gently.
"Really?" She looked at him perplexed. "Well, if it’s yours, why isn’t your name on it…"

 

FREBIES:
- Chameleon ROse2 for Genesis 8 Female by zoro_d (skin material)
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/85859/chameleon-rose2-for-genesis-8-female

- PS Merry for G8F by pixeluna
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/87285/ps-merry-for-g8f
- The Last Of Us - Ellie Head Morph for G8F
https://www.deviantart.com/tritiumcg/art/The-Last-Of-Us-Ellie-Head-Morph-for-G8F-828813864
- Osuine Elven Add-on by Sangriart
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/79591/osuine-elven-add-on
- Striker Hair for G8F by squarepeg3d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/92674/hair-striker-hair-for-g8f
- Ameizing Hair for G8F by squarepeg3d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/82867/hair-ameizing-hair-for-g8f
- Xmas Bundle by Leilana
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/84013/xmas-bundle
- Cat-Woman Outfit for GF8 by Bonnyb1234 (shoes)
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/88624/cat-woman-outfit-for-gf8
- G2_Sportsdress by Beat578 (bag)
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/75935/g2-sportsdress
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/75936/g2-sportsdress-part2
- Sling Staff Hoopak
https://sharecg.com/v/75469/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Sling-Staff-Hoopak
- Helmet Norman by jackjump
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/91568/helmet-norman

- Paul for Genesis 8M by tottallou
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/77776/paul-for-genesis-8m
- Everyday Hair Style for Genesis 8 Male(s) by zoro_d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/80194/everyday-hair-style-for-genesis-8-male-s-
- Knight armor 13th by jackjump
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/91667/knight-armor-13th
- Medieval sword pack ver 2 by porsimo
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/59477/medieval-sword-pack-ver-2
- Props - Darkest Dungeon by squarepeg3d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/80254/modular-madness---darkest-dungeon

- Fantasy House 1 by DryJack
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/66847/fantasy-house-1
- Kyklades-flower pot 4
https://sharecg.com/v/8214/gallery/11/Poser/Kyklades-flower-pot-4

- Pd-Soft Leather Daz Studio Shaders for Iray
https://sharecg.com/v/80223/gallery/7/Material-and-Shader/Pd-Soft-Leather-Daz-Studio-Shaders-for-Iray
- Iray Fur Shaders by TerraMoore
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/88081/iray-fur-shaders
- Iray Jewelry Shaders by AllenArt
https://sharecg.com/v/95893/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/Iray-Jewelry-Shaders
- IRay Shader Sampler by RubiconDigital
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/83782/iray-shader-sampler
- Texture: wall stone 023
https://3dtextures.me/2022/04/03/wall-stone-023/
- Texture: pavement brick 001
https://3dtextures.me/2018/01/19/pavement-brick-001/

- VA2016: RGB HDRI Soft Lights for Daz Studio
http://www.valzheimer.info/2016/11/va2016-rgb-hdri-soft-lights-for-daz.html

 

NO COUNT
- Genesis 8 Female Body Morphs (Height Morph)

All The Links Check Out Plz Post In The Entries Thread!

If the tattoos look warped, that is probably down to an issue with the Gen 4 UV product you are using with Genesis 2.

If the tattoos look good on Genesis 1, then one option would be use Map Transfer (this is accessed by right click on the surfaces tab) to move the Gen 4 skin to another UV supported by both Genesis 1 and 2. A good option would be V5 for G2F and M5 if targetting G2M. These UVs are supported by Genesis 2. You can then load the re-mapped skin onto Genesis 2, change the UV to V5/M5 as needed, and see if the tattoo now looks less warped.

Someone was going to steal it so I’m holding it for safekeeping.

Paul, an apprentice knight, was beginning to despair: his dream was to protect his city, not to arrest thieves!
"Hey, Paul. What's for dinner today?" The thief asked.
Paul sighed. Kenders was like children. They did not understand the concept of private property and often mistook the prison for a free inn.
"I don't know, Amari. Try asking the guards." Paul replied. "Ah, stop! What do you want to do with my sword?"
"If you put it in your belt like that, someone will steal it from you. I’m holding it for safekeeping." Amari explained.
"Even the sword? Is stealing my helmet not enough for you?"
"I am not a thief! If you lost your helmet, it's not my fault."
"And what is that helmet sticking out of your bag?"
"This is my helmet!" Amari answered confidently.
"That is my helmet." He corrected her gently.
"Really?" She looked at him perplexed. "Well, if it’s yours, why isn’t your name on it…"

FREBIES:
- Chameleon ROse2 for Genesis 8 Female by zoro_d (skin material)
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/85859/chameleon-rose2-for-genesis-8-female

- PS Merry for G8F by pixeluna
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/87285/ps-merry-for-g8f
- The Last Of Us - Ellie Head Morph for G8F
https://www.deviantart.com/tritiumcg/art/The-Last-Of-Us-Ellie-Head-Morph-for-G8F-828813864
- Osuine Elven Add-on by Sangriart
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/79591/osuine-elven-add-on
- Striker Hair for G8F by squarepeg3d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/92674/hair-striker-hair-for-g8f
- Ameizing Hair for G8F by squarepeg3d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/82867/hair-ameizing-hair-for-g8f
- Xmas Bundle by Leilana
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/84013/xmas-bundle
- Cat-Woman Outfit for GF8 by Bonnyb1234 (shoes)
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/88624/cat-woman-outfit-for-gf8
- G2_Sportsdress by Beat578 (bag)
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/75935/g2-sportsdress
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/75936/g2-sportsdress-part2
- Sling Staff Hoopak
https://sharecg.com/v/75469/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Sling-Staff-Hoopak
- Helmet Norman by jackjump
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/91568/helmet-norman

- Paul for Genesis 8M by tottallou
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/77776/paul-for-genesis-8m
- Everyday Hair Style for Genesis 8 Male(s) by zoro_d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/80194/everyday-hair-style-for-genesis-8-male-s-
- Knight armor 13th by jackjump
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/91667/knight-armor-13th
- Medieval sword pack ver 2 by porsimo
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/59477/medieval-sword-pack-ver-2
- Props - Darkest Dungeon by squarepeg3d
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/80254/modular-madness---darkest-dungeon

- Fantasy House 1 by DryJack
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/66847/fantasy-house-1
- Kyklades-flower pot 4
https://sharecg.com/v/8214/gallery/11/Poser/Kyklades-flower-pot-4

- Pd-Soft Leather Daz Studio Shaders for Iray
https://sharecg.com/v/80223/gallery/7/Material-and-Shader/Pd-Soft-Leather-Daz-Studio-Shaders-for-Iray
- Iray Fur Shaders by TerraMoore
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/88081/iray-fur-shaders
- Iray Jewelry Shaders by AllenArt
https://sharecg.com/v/95893/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/Iray-Jewelry-Shaders
- IRay Shader Sampler by RubiconDigital
https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/83782/iray-shader-sampler
- Texture: wall stone 023
https://3dtextures.me/2022/04/03/wall-stone-023/
- Texture: pavement brick 001
https://3dtextures.me/2018/01/19/pavement-brick-001/

- VA2016: RGB HDRI Soft Lights for Daz Studio
http://www.valzheimer.info/2016/11/va2016-rgb-hdri-soft-lights-for-daz.html

NO COUNT
- Genesis 8 Female Body Morphs (Height Morph)

My guess is that PAs might be thinking if they made clothes for Genesis 8 they should add that as a tag, but there should be a way to search for Genesis 8 clothes vs a Genesis 8 character or morph.

I only see a character preset for Hailey on her product page and Read Me. Does she come with a separate head morph?

felis said:

thedoctor said:

dijitul said:

Some key notes here: Exporting clothing from MD to DAZ, ensure two things.  First, export as thin mesh, not thick.  Also, export as quads as these smooth and collide better in DAZ.  The transfer utility is helpful for initial setup, but you'll need to edit weight maps to get things moving just right.  Last, design the clothing on the default pose.  Export the figure from DAZ as an OBJ and import as an OBJ avatar.  There's a good tutorial in one of the recent threads, so scroll or search through this forum.

Curious about your recommendation to export as THIN mesh and not THICK. I've been exporting THICK meshes with no issues for a couple years. Am I missing something? 

If you're not applying dForce to it and simulating, you're fine. dForce can't handle doubble-sided meshes. 

Sure it can.

If I use MD to create an item, I import into Studio via Blender, manking any adjustments I want first.

takezo_3001 said:

vrba79 said:

Yeah, currently Genesis 9 is like a new game console that doesn't have any titles I want just yet, but at least now I know it has potential.

Funnily enough, I had amassed a large collection of consoles over the years, (seven systems to be exact) so many decades ago…

So I still use my G1-G8.1 collections, I'm only waiting for a single morph package for G9, and then I'm diving full-in, as the mesh is right for what the figure has the potential to do, not to mention actual texture topology with the skin, I also love the fact that the material zone mapping is solid as well, as it's concise and to the point, yet has the same details as the current shaders/mats are now.

Also of note, the separation of the eyes and mouth means we can better isolate those zones for texturing and sculpting, thank F G9 is so incredibly creator-friendly and why I'm eager to dive right in, at least with character creation, I just won't use G9 in any real scenes yet.

Unfortunately does not seem to be the case with the mouth, from my short time playing around with G9 doing any teeth or mouth morph will be a pita.

Hi, Please see attached log file. I tried to force convert after receiving SKIPPING notices and now each morph fails with "Unable to apply preset"  

Appreciate your products and talent.

Best Regards

vrba79 said:

Yeah, currently Genesis 9 is like a new game console that doesn't have any titles I want just yet, but at least now I know it has potential.

Funnily enough, I had amassed a large collection of consoles over the years, (seven systems to be exact) so many decades ago…

So I still use my G1-G8.1 collections, I'm only waiting for a single morph package for G9, and then I'm diving full-in, as the mesh is right for what the figure has the potential to do, not to mention actual texture topology with the skin, I also love the fact that the material zone mapping is solid as well, as it's concise and to the point, yet has the same details as the current shaders/mats are now.

Also of note, the separation of the eyes and mouth means we can better isolate those zones for texturing and sculpting, thank F G9 is so incredibly creator-friendly and why I'm eager to dive right in, at least with character creation, I just won't use G9 in any real scenes yet.

lilweep said:

felis said:

thedoctor said:

dijitul said:

Some key notes here: Exporting clothing from MD to DAZ, ensure two things.  First, export as thin mesh, not thick.  Also, export as quads as these smooth and collide better in DAZ.  The transfer utility is helpful for initial setup, but you'll need to edit weight maps to get things moving just right.  Last, design the clothing on the default pose.  Export the figure from DAZ as an OBJ and import as an OBJ avatar.  There's a good tutorial in one of the recent threads, so scroll or search through this forum.

Curious about your recommendation to export as THIN mesh and not THICK. I've been exporting THICK meshes with no issues for a couple years. Am I missing something? 

If you're not applying dForce to it and simulating, you're fine. dForce can't handle doubble-sided meshes. 

well, Marvelous Designer exports thick mesh unwelded... so i think that could also cause problems if youre doing content-creation and rigging/weightmapping and making morphs?

oh, and also if simulating in dforce it would just fall apart so not just the double-sided mesh issue mentioned.

I really appreciate the info. I'm not simulating with dforce or doing anything other than rendering so having a double-sided mesh isn't a problem (and can be a benefit in some situations). I'm glad to learn more and I am interested in doing some dforce simualtion so it has helped immensely to have these explanations. THANKS 

thoreandan said:

Unfortunately I don't have that product, maybe somebody else can try. But I do know that sometimes the HD morphs that come with characters can be very specific to that character shape, so it's possible the Beatriche HD morph may be creating distortions only when the Beatriche character isn't also dialed in?

One more thing, what subD level is the figure set to? If it's less than 4, maybe the HD morph only looks right at higher SubD levels. 

The Render SubD level is 5 at the moment, shouldn't be the issue. (almost killing my RTX3080 :D)

Unfortunately I don't have that product, maybe somebody else can try. But I do know that sometimes the HD morphs that come with characters can be very specific to that character shape, so it's possible the Beatriche HD morph may be creating distortions only when the Beatriche character isn't also dialed in?

One more thing, what subD level is the figure set to? If it's less than 4, maybe the HD morph only looks right at higher SubD levels. 

If you mean the images you see in the Shaping tab, then left click the "cog" on the morphs dial, and select "Parameter Settings" from the list.

In the new window you will see the two color channels for the dial, just below those you will see the slot for loading a "Card".

After loading the PNG into the slot click "Accept" to close the window, if you are doing this during the initial setting up of the morph then save it as a "Morph Asset", but if you are updating an existing Morph Asset then use "Save Modified Assets" instead.

Clear the scene and reload the figure to see if the card saved correctly.

MimicMolly said:

I don't think using V4 or M4 UVs is possible, because the UV layout is totally different and would probably require geografts. But it is possible to transfer the shapes themselves, (someone made a shape conversion tutorial and posted a link to it in the Freebies section) but the V4 and M4 clones that come with Genesis 1 are pretty plain compared to default G9. It can be done but there's no one-click solution right now, as of this comment.

In this case Legacy UVs are the solution..or that somebody, with patience of a saint, maps this.