Is a Victoria 6 version forthcoming? Most of my favourite G2F skins are in that format.

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https://www.daz3d.com/universal-hair-shader-for-iray

A lot of cool hair comes with a few materials only, sometimes only 4 or 5 shades (just the basic colors are covered) and no add on is available probably. Or it has indeed more shades included but the color or effect you want is not there. Why not have a set of universal hair shades for Iray that work with almost any hair, even animal hair and fiber mesh hair (like the new Victoria 8 eye brows) or eye lashes? Wouldn't this be handy?
This set contains 24 different universal hair shader presets and lots of options to adjust the look and effect (like glossiness, translucency etc.)
You can apply the shader presets to any surface. It even works with older non Iray hair. The non Iray surfaces you apply it to will be automatically converted into Iray shaders. 
You can also use the presets on multi layered hair (hair that has more than one surface zone). Just apply the same shader preset to all surfaces or mix them for great effects, like strands etc. 
A lot of adjustment options are included as well. With them you can easily change the glossiness, translucency and bump intensity of the applied shades. 
Of course you can also change all values manually for even more adjustment and fine tuning. You can save your favorite settings as shader presets for later use. 
But there is even more. We have included some useful options for color mix effects and translucency mix effects. With them you can get creative and interesting results. Translucency Mix is can be also nicely for strains. 
It is not limited to the presets, just change the translucency or base color to any value you like. 
A short manual is included as well for those who are not familiar with adding shader presets. A step by step instruction shows you how to apply a shader preset. 
In the promos you can see how the universal hair shader looks on several different popular hair and also older (non Iray) hair and also animal hair and fiber mesh eye brows.  
This product is no Merchant Resource!

Shader Presets (Iray)

• 24 Universal Hair Shader Preset
• 4 Bump Intensity Presets
• 4 Glossiness Roughness Presets
• 5 Glossy Weight Presets
• 5 Translucency Weight Presets
• 1 Fiber Mesh Eye Brows Prep Preset
• 10 Color Mix Presets
• 6 Translucency Mix Presets
• 1 PDF Manual

Textures Included

• 48 Diffuse and Bump Maps (2500x2500)

At any rate, V8 looking more like an adult human didn't hurt her sales according to a DAZ employee that posted in the forums that V8 sold more than prior generations of Victoria.

Probably none of us forumites really know the real statistics, but I assume Daz has gotten new users during G3 era. Lets say they had 100 G2/V6 ( this is just to make it simple ) users when G3/V7 was released, and 50 bought new V7 in the first week. During V7 era total of 200 people bought V7. So now as V8 was released, they had 200 users, and if 75 bought new V8 in the first week, they can say that V8 is a huge success. Well, it kind of is and isn't. It's true that they increased their first week sales by 50%, but at the same time lesser percentage of potential buyers bought it. Of course, this is just my speculation, and I have no idea what the real numbers look like. This is just a heads up, that you have to take that info with a grain of salt, unless you know the real numbers,

In Daz 4.9 where can I get V4 as she does not seem to be in there as a default charracter anymore.

If your issue is you can't find V4 in smart content, because you have loaded everything through the DAZ Connect, Victoria 4.2 is not Connect installable. 

To see if you have her loaded, go to Products look under Victoria 4.2 Base.

if it is not there you have to load it through the DIM.

It appears that any figure that uses the PowerLoader need to be install through the DIM.

Tonight I will add a list of those thing that have to be loaded via DIM.

I find her both attractive and realistic.

The first Victoria character (shape especially) that I've liked;

And because I love thoroughness an exacting comparison of Victorias 7 and 8

Please note the the lines I have drawn are the same lengths on both sides.

Exactly the same: Width from nostril to nostril, width of bridge of nose, width of mouth, distance from nose to mouth.

Slightly different: V8 has a slightly wider nose tip, V7 has a slightly wider distance from outside of ear to ear cheekbone to cheek bone, jaw, and widest part of skull. More generally the general structure of V7s head is a smidge wider.

Noticeably different: lower lip to chin, overall length of head, everything about the eyes. Generally, V8's head is longer V7 has giant alien eyes (seriously looking at the two of them right next to each other V7's eyes are terrifying)

 

Other notes

• the widest part of V7's skull is even with her eyebrows I can't say that's not how any heads work, but that's definitely not my experience. (and certainly not my head)
• V8's head is a bit narrower, but the ratio of cheekbone to jaw width is pretty much identical to V7s (to test I scaled the lines for each evenly). In that respect they're both equally heart shaped.
• The tip of V8s nose is more defined, maybe some folks dont like that? on the other had V7 has larger and more noticable nostril holes, which I generally feel is not the most attractive part of the body
• Outside the eyes the biggest difference is definitely the chin length maybe this is what's reading as masculine in the jaw to folks?
• But seriously, the most immediate and noticeable difference is that V7 has terrifying alien eyes. Comparing them it looks like V7 has some Aiko dialed in or something
• I like V7's ear shape better though. So thats something
• Not the face but V7's neck gets narrower in the middle and that always bothered me, I actually made my own lower neck width morph to fix it (not dialed in here obv. this is vanilla V7 and 8)
• Seriously those eyes are going to haunt me, like the eyes on that sign in The Great Gatsby.

 

Honestly looking at them side by side, to me, V8 doesn't look less feminine, just more like a human being

Alien no, but definately childlike. Looking at your comparison it's clear V8 was made to look like a mature adult female instead of like a child. Cuteness sells.

At any rate, V8 looking more like an adult human didn't hurt her sales according to a DAZ employee that posted in the forums that V8 sold more than prior generations of Victoria.

From my perspective it will definately be easier to get more varied looks via morphs from G8F / V8 than from prior generations because the eyes won't go as wonky as easily. It also should make it easier on the folk that make FaceGen Artist Pro to get their program working more accurately.

 

Calling her "ugly" when she looks a lot more like an average woman ...yeah. 

Victoria isn't supposed to be ***average***. And V8's face has features more commonly attributed to men. That's why it's offputting. It's just a fact. Most women do not have those features. That's why I have no problem saying she's butt ugly.

 

Which features?  Specificity is good.

The history of science analyzing beauty is a trash pile of racism and bigotry.

 

Well it is usually a subset of evopsych, and the history of evopsych is (mostly) a trash pile of racism, bigotry, and sexism (serioulsy evopsych has so much gender essentialist crap)

Girls like pink because they gathered berries! Nevermind the fact that up until relatevely recently blue was the girl color and pink the boy color. Never mind that this color preference doesn't really exist in other cultures, Never mind that blueberries are blue and pretty much no berries are pink. We asked some ladies and gents to pick colors they liked quickly and more ladies liked pink! Doesnt it feel like a great just so story? (Yes I am making fun of a real study. Its largely inoffensive other than in its stupidness)

To hades with all the studies.  We have had well established artist guidelines of what make men look masculine and women feminine.  Victoria 8 for the most part doesn't fit the guide lines but she isn't the base figure anymore so this isn't really a problem.  Personally I would like future Victorias be more neutral with most of the change being in proportions.  She should be slightly larger than life at nine heads tall and a bit broader at the shoulders and hip and a bit narrower at the waist, give her two bonus shapes of super model and super hero.  Why not throw Stephanie Petite in the Pro bundle with again her being mostly about proportions.  Stephanie should be eight heads tall, narrower at the shoulders and hip and no change to the waist.  Bonus shapes for Stephanie would be slim and curvy.

This image features the "Golden Rectangles" guide used in photoshop format, to help me crop an image into a stronger composition.  This image was originally rendered in landscape format with the girl in the center....not good!  I started this project just trying to make my own compositions better and it kind of grew from there! 

This image features Stonemason's Planet Lava on the left, with stone shaders from my Sculptural Genesis Ultra Fun Kit, and an older building on the right--I think it's by Inception8. Inception8 has new buildings in the shop that are in a similar style. Down on the ground is Petipet's New Colony, with Stonemason's Iray clouds making the ground fog.  The figure is Victoria 7 with Raiya's Cailin character, wearing a bodysuit with a shader from Eva1's sci-fi fabrics. The bodysuit is probably Mada's Eclipse again, I use that all the time. The sky bike is Ravnheart's Jet Bike with an updated shader/texture.  I'll have to look up the hair, as usual! 

I would but they're topless [blush]

Haha that's okay :) maybe you can post a link to your page something if you want 

I did a quick portrait of my current custom G8 for you - Keri skin and your shaders

Woah! She looks absolutely gorgeous! Well done! 

Thank you :-)

Adding to the recent discussion:

I used the Victoria 8 eyebrows (separate prop), that's why I asked if Katarina will have a no brow option ;-) And you confirmed there will be :-)

I also used the Oh my lashes for G8

And I want Katarina :-)

Yes! I have added a no brow option for any fibermesh brows you want to add on her :D

(Need to remind myself to update the texture tho, had too many in one folder trying to sort through )

I would but they're topless [blush]

Haha that's okay :) maybe you can post a link to your page something if you want 

I did a quick portrait of my current custom G8 for you - Keri skin and your shaders

Woah! She looks absolutely gorgeous! Well done! 

Thank you :-)

Adding to the recent discussion:

I used the Victoria 8 eyebrows (separate prop), that's why I asked if Katarina will have a no brow option ;-) And you confirmed there will be :-)

I also used the Oh my lashes for G8

And I want Katarina :-)

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#984     Classic Pin-Up Standing Poses for Victoria 6 (#16555)
#4057     Novel Romance Poses for Genesis (#16311)
#5371     Songs in Stone (#10640)
#2241  Freya For Olympia 6 (#17807)
LB1: #1592 Domina - Character (#18413)
LB2: #6508 Weapons Series 1 - Spears and Pole Arms (Rendo)
LB3: #6002 The Streets Of Asia 2 (#13717)

Also Used:
Skies of iRadiance
GF3 + Coleraine Hair + Arrowhead
Olympia 6 + Chafe Hair + Cowl Dress
Genesis + Ryun + PH Space Hair + Casual Jeans + FM Tank Tops
Everyday stationary n(newspaper)
JetSki + Boat Wakes + SY Rigged Water
Makaio + Peng Hair + On the town outfit
IG Lee 6 Iray + Asian Lady’s Accessories (hat)  + Fighting Monk + Gone Fishing - Angler’s Essentials
Lowres Male

Shaders:
JM Human Shaders
EcVh0 Daily Cloth Shader
UHT2 Ultra Salon
Iray Converter for Genesis
PC Metal and Gemstones
PBS Shaders Vol 3

One day in Bangkok

Björn and Benny from ABBA wrote the play Chess and one of the songs goes like “One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble…”, I think they were on to something.

-> In the promo images you posted so far those painted eye brows destroy the illusion.

Sorry, em, there isn't a single promo image yet... they are mostly just WIP shots I post, and could you be a lot clearer in terms of "destroy the illusion"?

 

It is very encouraging to see that some DAZ3D artists try out new SSS shader settings for the skin.

Thanks, I feel like its a much better way so I'm going on that road, and this is my first character btw :)

 

But all that effort is for nothing if artists do not follow trough and also provide custom fiber eyebrows that feature proper transmission or at least backlighting effects.

I guess that dived straight into uncanny for you huh?

Brow itself isn't a geometry so i guess no matter what it is still gonna be on the texture, which got rid of these proper effects - unless you somehow manages to do an amazing displacement map...

 

- - -

To be clear:

I am not looking for just another standalone fiber mesh eyebrow product.

Wait correct me if I'm wrong, I can't seem to find a "fiber mesh eyebrow" in the store, care give a link if you know any? :)

You get Fiber Mesh Eyebrows with Victoria 7 and over on Rendo there is the Oh My Brows product too which should give you an idea of what he means.  Katarina is looking great by the way!  

Thanks a lot!

And Ahh! That's what he meant by Fiber mesh eyebrows! (wait you meant V8 right? Or is it V7?) If that's the case then Katarina does have a fibermesh eyebrow by default ;) I could include more with LIE presets but I personally like katarina this way

Yeah you're right I mean Vicky 8!!  D'oh!!!  It's the option you get in the Anatomy folder as well as the Gens.  They're supposed to be used with No Brow skin but I sometimes use it on top of the painted ones if I want darker and thicker eyebrows (like Cara Delevingne's).  In the end though it all comes down to personal taste and I agree that Katarina looks good as you do her, but including the option for customers is cool too.  

Yup! I will include some brows with a no eyebrow texture option so you can put whatever brows you feel like ! :D

 

Edit: Now that I rechecked V8, it is actually a separate geometry!  I'm not sure if I can actually change and attach that onto my character because I will probably have to change it to Katarina for V8 :/

Tho I can make the no brows option so you can choose which brow you like

Well there are plenty of mesh Eyebrows and even LIE ones like Wow Brow available so even if you only have the No Brow option that at least gives everyone the option to choose what they want to do.  The V8 mesh brows do conform to G8 characters anyway so I don't think you need to worry about adding it, the only thing with the V8 eyebrows is they don't come with any morphs so you need to have something like EYEdeas 5 Extended for Genesis 8 Female(s) which includes morphs for them.  It's pretty rare for venders to include mesh brows as far as I can tell and TBH there are so many good options out there seperatly anyway that it'd probably be more of a hasstle for you to add them anyway.  Besides it sounds like Katerina has so many options already that you don't need to go adding any more!!  LOL

I like V8, and I really liked V7. V6 was OK. V5 less so. But I bought V8 because my favourite character/skin maker (Raiya) has used Victoria X as the base of the majority of her characters; so, I think I'm going to need her (and I got a super sweet deal). Thanks, Singular Blues, for your fun and interesting comments.

I was born into a family overpopulated with beautiful women, but their beauty ranged from demurely feminine to Valkyriesque masculine. I like both extremes and the middle. Endocrinally speaking, both maleness and femaleness are hacks on humanity mostly caused by the hormones testosterone and estrogen. This is probably why male and female children are so similar facially, and why, after sexual hormones naturally decrease production, women begin to exhibit masculine features and vice versa. (Puberty initiates the insanity known as adulthood, but afterwards most people return to preferring cuddles, candy, and ice cream to other things.) The testes are the same tissues as the ovaries, the glans of the penis the same as the clitoris, etc. with only their respective genetic instructions distinguishing them.

I'm glad to have a Victoria that doesn't look like a beauty contestant. But I'm not sure if I will like the consequences of this.

-> In the promo images you posted so far those painted eye brows destroy the illusion.

Sorry, em, there isn't a single promo image yet... they are mostly just WIP shots I post, and could you be a lot clearer in terms of "destroy the illusion"?

 

It is very encouraging to see that some DAZ3D artists try out new SSS shader settings for the skin.

Thanks, I feel like its a much better way so I'm going on that road, and this is my first character btw :)

 

But all that effort is for nothing if artists do not follow trough and also provide custom fiber eyebrows that feature proper transmission or at least backlighting effects.

I guess that dived straight into uncanny for you huh?

Brow itself isn't a geometry so i guess no matter what it is still gonna be on the texture, which got rid of these proper effects - unless you somehow manages to do an amazing displacement map...

 

- - -

To be clear:

I am not looking for just another standalone fiber mesh eyebrow product.

Wait correct me if I'm wrong, I can't seem to find a "fiber mesh eyebrow" in the store, care give a link if you know any? :)

You get Fiber Mesh Eyebrows with Victoria 7 and over on Rendo there is the Oh My Brows product too which should give you an idea of what he means.  Katarina is looking great by the way!  

Thanks a lot!

And Ahh! That's what he meant by Fiber mesh eyebrows! (wait you meant V8 right? Or is it V7?) If that's the case then Katarina does have a fibermesh eyebrow by default ;) I could include more with LIE presets but I personally like katarina this way

Yeah you're right I mean Vicky 8!!  D'oh!!!  It's the option you get in the Anatomy folder as well as the Gens.  They're supposed to be used with No Brow skin but I sometimes use it on top of the painted ones if I want darker and thicker eyebrows (like Cara Delevingne's).  In the end though it all comes down to personal taste and I agree that Katarina looks good as you do her, but including the option for customers is cool too.  

Yup! I will include some brows with a no eyebrow texture option so you can put whatever brows you feel like ! :D

Edit: Now that I rechecked V8, it is actually a separate geometry!  I'm not sure if I can actually change and attach that onto my character because I will probably have to change it to Katarina for V8 :/

Tho I can make the no brows option so you can choose which brow you like

-> In the promo images you posted so far those painted eye brows destroy the illusion.

Sorry, em, there isn't a single promo image yet... they are mostly just WIP shots I post, and could you be a lot clearer in terms of "destroy the illusion"?

 

It is very encouraging to see that some DAZ3D artists try out new SSS shader settings for the skin.

Thanks, I feel like its a much better way so I'm going on that road, and this is my first character btw :)

 

But all that effort is for nothing if artists do not follow trough and also provide custom fiber eyebrows that feature proper transmission or at least backlighting effects.

I guess that dived straight into uncanny for you huh?

Brow itself isn't a geometry so i guess no matter what it is still gonna be on the texture, which got rid of these proper effects - unless you somehow manages to do an amazing displacement map...

 

- - -

To be clear:

I am not looking for just another standalone fiber mesh eyebrow product.

Wait correct me if I'm wrong, I can't seem to find a "fiber mesh eyebrow" in the store, care give a link if you know any? :)

You get Fiber Mesh Eyebrows with Victoria 7 and over on Rendo there is the Oh My Brows product too which should give you an idea of what he means.  Katarina is looking great by the way!  

Thanks a lot!

And Ahh! That's what he meant by Fiber mesh eyebrows! (wait you meant V8 right? Or is it V7?) If that's the case then Katarina does have a fibermesh eyebrow by default ;) I could include more with LIE presets but I personally like katarina this way

Yeah you're right I mean Vicky 8!!  D'oh!!!  It's the option you get in the Anatomy folder as well as the Gens.  They're supposed to be used with No Brow skin but I sometimes use it on top of the painted ones if I want darker and thicker eyebrows (like Cara Delevingne's).  In the end though it all comes down to personal taste and I agree that Katarina looks good as you do her, but including the option for customers is cool too.  

I'm not touching this core debate with a 10 meter cattle prod, beyond admitting I'm not sure what the fuss is about.
I do want to say beware science. Seriously. 
There's basically one kind of scientific result. It sums to "we think this is what's up."
This type breaks into two classes: Class one is "We think this is what's up and it is so well documented that it would be absurd if it wasn't what's up. Further, if we turn out to be wrong, the right answer will be so similar to this that the lay berson won't know the difference."
Example: Newton's Laws of motion as a description of space. It is "wrong" compared to Einsteinian spacetime, but so accurately wrong, that it's easier to do Newton's math that it is to do Einsteins for most applications. It's used to be, in the ideals of Natural Philosophy (we call it physics, today) that you had Natural Law, which was right, theory, which was are really super good explanation, and hypothesis, which is an educated guess about what the theory is. Broadly.
The second class is scientific result is "Hey, isn't that something. We think it means this." This is meat of the practice of science. The art of figuring out what's what. It is not Law (modern science has given up on Law as a knowable thing for the most part. We keep kinding new stuff that shows the old style Laws aren't quite right. Still so right you aren't going to get hugely different results--so, no perpetual motion machines that do work--but still able to be refined). Especially when it comes to brain science, and what it all means, most of what we know is still close to hypothesis that Theory. You might say it's a theory, in the common sense, but the common use of the word "It's just your theory man" is, scientifically rendered as "It's just your hypothesis, man." We know a lot about things that go on in the brain, and we can make predictions, useful predictions, but they aren't THE WAY THINGS ARE.
So we know, for example, that symmetry is more important than almost anything else when it comes to beauty. This is a very solid result. I'm not sure how strong the results on types of jaw lines might be. They could be very good, or much weaker. But until they have the authority of General Relativity, they aren't ends of discussion and shouldn't be used that way. (GR is not an end of discussion either, but if your counter point flatly contractics things that are known to happen and explained by GR, then you counter point is probably wrong. Because GR explains so much so preciesly that anything more right than it has to agree with it.) These various studies on what people find pleasing aren't of the same level that anything proving them wrong must agree with them. So as points of arguement, the are more useful in terms of what they predict.
So, may I offer a prediction: If the studies in questionare point to an underlying truth of the human condition, Victoria 8 won't be rendered a lot compared to Victoria 7. As far as I can see, they are same face, but one has been given more "character" while the other is generically soft.
Dowloads isn't a useful metric, because one might buy either to get something that comes with the package, or to get the bonus pricing of the bundle. But number of renders over time, is, at least in theory, something that can be checked. If the changes to V8 over V7 are problematic, it would show up there.
Mind, this is not a controlled experiment, and I can't see how to fully implement it, but it does point to how to use any scientif result, much less one that is closer to hypothesis than theory. Assume it true for arguement's sake then ask what it predicts will happen next. (and, if setting policy, whether that predicted result is tolerable or acceptable). So, if V8's features really are "too masculine" what does that predict will happen next, and how can you test that result?
(End note: I'll be the first to admit that even scientists don't use science this way, but it is the ideal they are supposed to be aiming at. Science isn't supposed to be about what is right. It's ideally about what is true. The scientist should be as happy to be wrong as to be right, so long as being wrong point the direct to the truth. But science is a human activity, and humans have funny ideas about right and wrong as opposed the truth and falsehood. People are pushed to try to be right even the fact of evidence that their idea is false. Because being wrong, while potentially interesting, is also potentially career ending even in places where is ought not be. The fact that humans rarely live up to the ideals is no excuse for trying to use science as a bludgeon, rather than as tool for predicting the future.)

I think Victoria 8's face is o.k. What I don't like is, what's so typical for DAZ Characters. I don't like V8's strangulated waist with the (over)toned six pack abdomen. It doesn't look like an houreglass shape at all. Sorry, this looks just wrong, if you go for realism. It works fine though, if you're going for comic book characters. Allmost all Gen3Females except Bethany had this (issue) before.

You get Fiber Mesh Eyebrows with Victoria 7 and over on Rendo there is the Oh My Brows product too which should give you an idea of what he means.  Katarina is looking great by the way!  

Tho, I did increase the density of the brow hair because she looks kinda weird with the original that's probably why it looks a little painted, oh and, her brow's actually brownish

-> In the promo images you posted so far those painted eye brows destroy the illusion.

Sorry, em, there isn't a single promo image yet... they are mostly just WIP shots I post, and could you be a lot clearer in terms of "destroy the illusion"?

 

It is very encouraging to see that some DAZ3D artists try out new SSS shader settings for the skin.

Thanks, I feel like its a much better way so I'm going on that road, and this is my first character btw :)

 

But all that effort is for nothing if artists do not follow trough and also provide custom fiber eyebrows that feature proper transmission or at least backlighting effects.

I guess that dived straight into uncanny for you huh?

Brow itself isn't a geometry so i guess no matter what it is still gonna be on the texture, which got rid of these proper effects - unless you somehow manages to do an amazing displacement map...

 

- - -

To be clear:

I am not looking for just another standalone fiber mesh eyebrow product.

Wait correct me if I'm wrong, I can't seem to find a "fiber mesh eyebrow" in the store, care give a link if you know any? :)

You get Fiber Mesh Eyebrows with Victoria 7 and over on Rendo there is the Oh My Brows product too which should give you an idea of what he means.  Katarina is looking great by the way!  

Thanks a lot!

And Ahh! That's what he meant by Fiber mesh eyebrows! (wait you meant V8 right? Or is it V7?) If that's the case then Katarina does have a fibermesh eyebrow by default ;) I could include more with LIE presets but I personally like katarina this way