Thank you, Melanie!  I have updated the list as you suggested.

Blake, though, is actually a Genesis 2 Base Female texture, even though it is called Blake for Victoria 6 and the MATs apply the V6 UV Sets.  I did mention it in the post, that the clue resides in vital misalignments.

Hello,

I'm not getting the results expected. This is Gen8 with Cassie Gen2 mats applied.

I don't know  what I could be doing wrong since the process has only 3 steps after loading Gen8

Any suggestions?

Michael Grant

Michael, Cassie uses the Victoria 5 UV Set.  If you load the MATs onto the original Genesis 2 you can see what the UVs are for each property in the Surfaces tab.  In fact some of the eye surfaces for Cassie are Genesis 2 Base Female UVs, but the differences are so slight as to make little practical difference.

I put a provisional list of V5 and V6 textures  in the "Legacy UVs for Genesis 3" thread.  If a figure is not listed there it is probably a Genesis 2 Base Female texture, unless it is one of the iconic figures, like Monique....

Hi, I was recently checking through all the G2F and G3F characters in my content library to help me decide which of your G8F products I most need (obviously I need them all!) and I noticed some additions to your provisional list for G2F characters - Novica suggested in her thread that I should post them in your thread too. As this is the more active thread, I'll list them here:

Fully V5 UVs:
FWSA Riva
Vengeful Spirit

V5 UVs for the skin but with some Base Female UV parts (typically eyes, eyelashes,etc):
FW Ashley
FW Caoimhe
FW Merfolk
FW Mirella
FW Naida & Nalin
FW Neomi
FW Sassafrat

Fully V6 UVs:
Bellatrix
Blake

V6 UVs for the skin with some stray UV parts:
Sisters for Zev0's Growing Up Pack (cornea says V4!)

I don't know if you'd like to update your list in the other thread?

DAZ's Victoria 4 and Michael 4 ( and their morph off shots) are generation 4 Poser legacy rigged figures, so generations 2 and 3 would pre-date generation 4 and also be Poser legacy rigged figures, not weight mapped.  Genesis 1 and 2 are generation 5 and 6, use DAZ's TriAx weight mapping and can be used in Poser through DAZ's DSON Importer plug-in for Poser.  Genesis 3 and Genesis 8, generation 7 and 8, use Dual Quaternion rigging that is not compatible with Poser at all.

Just a quick tip for everyone who has this.  If you have gotten the Olympia 8 pro or Beginners pack the character Sharah comes with SSS maps that can be used with this shader with no alteration, and she comes with her make up baked into the SSS maps too so you don't  have to mess with them either.  Plus they all come in Brow and No Brow options.  So it really is as easy as plugging in her SSS maps into the Translucency Channel and perhaps changing the Specular map for her own to have another skin for this shader with no extra work.  You can use it with the original shader EcVh0 has as well.  This example shows the differences you get with Olympia 8's SSS (Face), Sharah's (Torso) and Victoria 8's SSS maps as well (Legs) with the original shader but the arms show how Shara's work with the pale shader too.  Sorry for the crappy render it was just a viewport proof of concept test that I screen captured to save time.  

Thanks again haha! You are doing all the work for me I don't know how to thank you enough for these!

And three skin on one lady is really creative!  I bet she've been doing some weird poses on the beach to get no tan on her arms, some tan on her legs and lots of tan on her body! 

Or the worlds most disastrous spray tan!  LOL  And just to save you a bit more work here is Sharah SSS maps used with the Pale shader all over with no post work.  Literally the only thing changed is putting the unaltered SSS into the translucency channel and swapping out the specular for her own (which probably doesn't even need to be done, it's just me being pernickety!).  Just goes to show that it's always worth checking to see just what is included in a characters maps.  

You can only get those disastrous spray tan here down in Australia! 

Hahah thanks again, she looks absolutely amazing! (I think I've said that so many time to you haha)

What does she look like sans Victoria 8? Not that I have any morph packs either yet... but at least planning to get those eventually. 

Wait. Olympia 8 DOES come with an eyebrow prop. That's my problem with her - she comes with an eyebrow prop, plus mats for the eyebrows, but they don't work for me as they throw up an error message wanting Victoria 8 UVs which I don't have. 

 

 

Good point about the eyebrows. Olympia 8 comes with materials for eyebrows, but unfortunately there aren't any eyebrows included with her (unlike with Victoria 8). Not sure if this was an oversight or not. So I used OhMyBrows on her instead.

 

Indeed she does! I stand corrected. Not sure how I missed the brows the first time around. Cheers for that.

The UV set for Olypmia 8's brows is showing as "Default UVs" for me. No mention of Victoria 8 UV set being required. Though I do have Victoria 8 installed. Not sure why it's giving you problems. Did you submit a ticket?

Modern clothes for Genesis 8, Olympia 8 and Victoria 8... thin, voluptuous...
 

And I don't own most of them. So Genesis UVs don't work?  And is there a way to see if some of the Genesis just didn't show up in the store dropdown, that do use Victoria 5?  (A way in the studio? I am NOT going character by character and checking UVs. They (the Victoria 5, and the Genesis)  both say "Base UV" so I am confused) 

ETA: ah! I just noticed your later post about Cayman's list of characters by UV set  - I'd forgotten all about that list. Actually mine has a couple of entries not on Cayman's list.

It's been interesting seeing everyone's take on Olympia 8. I'm still on the fence, trying hard not to get into Gen8 as yet, which is not too difficult seeing as my store credit is down to 7 dollars at the moment! And yes I used my PC coupons for July. I have an orange banner (because I did buy into Olympias 6 and 7) which says it lasts till August 7th so maybe next month...

I understand what you mean about going Genesis 8 / Victoria 8. I am "kinda" holding firm on not going to that generation- or I was- until I saw the facial expressions/posing which are SO much better- very fluid. You won't see it with my quicky portraits on the thread (my main goal has already been to show folks base, out of the box, and show quickly like for these new releases. Took me about four hours to test stuff/render.)  So what I personally decided to do was get Genesis 8 characters while deeply discounted (that means 60% or more) so I can use their morphs- and totally disregard their materials (eyebrows I don't like) because I'm using Genesis 3 for the skins. (until an EASY way to get the morphs from Genesis 3 onto 8 is made.)

Most of what I'm doing now in the near future, is my Generation 4 conversions of skin and morphs up to Genesis 3. Omgosh, there are BEAUTIFUL  skins for that Generation. Some of the vendors I check out first over at Rendo and here for beautiful and/or thicker eyebrows for women is of course Moussa, Sabby, Seven,(SASE, which combines those),  Mihrelle,  P3Design, Vyktorhia (I don't know if I spelled that right),  Godin, Gypsyangel, Ozichick, Pixeluna,Saiyaness,  Chevybabe25,  to name a few. Raiya is a mixture, some are too penciled for me, but they are thicker, and many are quite good so far as more natural.  We mentioned a few vendors a few posts back, too.  When I think of unique overall, it's Saiyaness, Gypsyangel, Chevybabe25. Who do you folks like for variety overall, and for brows? (those are two different things. I buy some that have great morphs, with no intention of ever using the mats.)

Oh I'm using the FREE bits of Gen8 - i.e. the base female - and I've ported over a lots of morphs using Redz method from the other thread. I've been GenX2-ing all my favourites to G3F from earlier generations and manually transferring from there. So with a whole pile of G3F skin texures I have plenty to play with! I just haven't bought into the V8 or O8 stuff (waiting for the PA Sale then the PC Anniversary Sale hoping for bargains there )

How Do I Download Michael 1 & 2, and, Victoria 1 & 2

Unfortunately you can't, they are not available anymore.

It would be nice to see "Benita for Victoria 8" [ https://www.daz3d.com/benita-for-victoria-8 ] available for G3F ..... hint, hint

I don't have her but Victoria 8 uses Base Female so I assume Daz has dropped the multiple UV sets of the past generations which makes our lives easier :)

Could someone who has her please confirm whether or not she uses Victoria 8 UVs?

does she come with a separate body shape slider, no scaling applied?

Thanks. !!  

i'm waffling cause vicki8 didn't have a shape only option,

Really? That's generally considered a nono, so I can't imagine DAZ has done that on a main character. Can't you just dial the head to zero?

Victoria 8 does have separate morphs, I'm not sure why they said that there isn't:

Well the problem seems to be that the body shape includes height scaling which she don't want for some reason.

If those separate morphs include scaling, it limits their usability a lot. For example, if you have 2 figures, tall and short, and you want to create a mixed character that uses tall figure's head and short figure's body, you'll end up with a new figure with short body with too big head. That's why the full body slider should be only one that includes scaling. If you mix tall and short full bodies, their body vs. head proportions still stay correct.

OK, but then can't you just scale the head proportionally? I've done that myself without any problems, especially with V3 which has a too small head compared to the body IMO.

Apart from that, people's body/head size porportions vary a lot, some have small bodies and large heads, others large bodies and small heads.

does she come with a separate body shape slider, no scaling applied?

Thanks. !!  

i'm waffling cause vicki8 didn't have a shape only option,

Really? That's generally considered a nono, so I can't imagine DAZ has done that on a main character. Can't you just dial the head to zero?

Victoria 8 does have separate morphs, I'm not sure why they said that there isn't:

Well the problem seems to be that the body shape includes height scaling which she don't want for some reason.

If those separate morphs include scaling, it limits their usability a lot. For example, if you have 2 figures, tall and short, and you want to create a mixed character that uses tall figure's head and short figure's body, you'll end up with a new figure with short body with too big head. That's why the full body slider should be only one that includes scaling. If you mix tall and short full bodies, their body vs. head proportions still stay correct.

does she come with a separate body shape slider, no scaling applied?

Thanks. !!  

i'm waffling cause vicki8 didn't have a shape only option,

Really? That's generally considered a nono, so I can't imagine DAZ has done that on a main character. Can't you just dial the head to zero?

Victoria 8 does have separate morphs, I'm not sure why they said that there isn't:

Well the problem seems to be that the body shape includes scaling which she don't want for some reason.

For my sister I call it

Becky's Angel

Freebies:
Angel: Character V2 Character Morphs by Kimber.
Angel: Clothing Free Sample SheetZ For Victoria 4 by jepegraphics.
Angel: Clothing Infinite Dimension Outfit by rross128.
Angel: Pose Female Figure Pose Pack #1 by Poser Nightmare.
Environment: Background Cloudy Skies Backgrounds-01-Part 6 Of 8 by pixlgirl.
Environment: Birds Flock 3D Model by Forester. Need PoseRay to convert to obj file. Mec4d shader Anotized surface
Environment: Plant Vase flowers N050317 by Andreo.
Shader: Clothing Pd-Daz Studio Soft Leather Shaders by Parrotdolphin.
Freebies Nolonger Available
DAZ:
Angel: Base Victoria 2.0 by DAZ 3D.
Environment: Lighting FWSA Soft Light Probes by Forbidden Whispers.
RuntimeDNA Freebies:
Angel: Wings Techno Seriph Wings by Eric VanDycke Traveler.
Clothing: Chains RDNA Industrial Age Chain 1 by Traveler.
Clothing: Star and weight Luna and Star Cage by Traveler.
Environment: Cross Gothic Cross by Traveler.
Paid Fors:
Angel: Hair Vayne Braid by AprilYSH.
Shader: Cross Mec4d PBS Shaders vol.2 for Iray by Mec4d.
Shader: Flock and Pedestal Mec4d PBS Shaders vol.1 for Iray by Mec4d.

does she come with a separate body shape slider, no scaling applied?

Thanks. !!  

i'm waffling cause vicki8 didn't have a shape only option,

Really? That's generally considered a nono, so I can't imagine DAZ has done that on a main character. Can't you just dial the head to zero?

 

thanks for answering 

it's the scaling i'm worried about.

for Victoria 8, there is no slider for the shape without her height scaling.
the level of effort to make a separate shape slider on my own, eeks
no wanta to do it again  lol 

Oh, OK.

And I don't own most of them. So Genesis UVs don't work?  And is there a way to see if some of the Genesis just didn't show up in the store dropdown, that do use Victoria 5?  (A way in the studio? I am NOT going character by character and checking UVs. They (the Victoria 5, and the Genesis)  both say "Base UV" so I am confused) 

ETA: ah! I just noticed your later post about Cayman's list of characters by UV set  - I'd forgotten all about that list. Actually mine has a couple of entries not on Cayman's list.

It's been interesting seeing everyone's take on Olympia 8. I'm still on the fence, trying hard not to get into Gen8 as yet, which is not too difficult seeing as my store credit is down to 7 dollars at the moment! And yes I used my PC coupons for July. I have an orange banner (because I did buy into Olympias 6 and 7) which says it lasts till August 7th so maybe next month...

I understand what you mean about going Genesis 8 / Victoria 8. I am "kinda" holding firm on not going to that generation- or I was- until I saw the facial expressions/posing which are SO much better- very fluid. You won't see it with my quicky portraits on the thread (my main goal has already been to show folks base, out of the box, and show quickly like for these new releases. Took me about four hours to test stuff/render.)  So what I personally decided to do was get Genesis 8 characters while deeply discounted (that means 60% or more) so I can use their morphs- and totally disregard their materials (eyebrows I don't like) because I'm using Genesis 3 for the skins. (until an EASY way to get the morphs from Genesis 3 onto 8 is made.) 

Most of what I'm doing now in the near future, is my Generation 4 conversions of skin and morphs up to Genesis 3. Omgosh, there are BEAUTIFUL  skins for that Generation. Some of the vendors I check out first over at Rendo and here for beautiful and/or thicker eyebrows for women is of course Moussa, Sabby, Seven,(SASE, which combines those),  Mihrelle,  P3Design, Vyktorhia (I don't know if I spelled that right),  Godin, Gypsyangel, Ozichick, Pixeluna,Saiyaness,  Chevybabe25,  to name a few. Raiya is a mixture, some are too penciled for me, but they are thicker, and many are quite good so far as more natural.  We mentioned a few vendors a few posts back, too.  When I think of unique overall, it's Saiyaness, Gypsyangel, Chevybabe25. Who do you folks like for variety overall, and for brows? (those are two different things. I buy some that have great morphs, with no intention of ever using the mats.) 

Interesting- does anyone have Nino from Faber? He looks good here.  And I had to laugh, I own all of Phoenix1966.  Agnes looks like she's ready to take on the world. I expect to see her as an evil queen coming up in some Marvel or DC movie.

 I don't see much mention of Anain over at Rendo (check out Ronnie, he's a bit of a "typical" dude, I don't have him yet, but I did remember thinking he'd have some good morphs to add to the pool) but some gals and the boys have a bit too many freckles/ or moles for my personal tastes. Also- Blanca for two unusual materials. Isabol /Sorbel will surprise you with the variation (not my cup of tea though), scroll through the images to see what I mean. 

There was a product update for Olympia 8 today when I used DIM.  Not sure what it was as I rushed off to work. But, will check tonight

Body only slider should not include scaling. This limits the usability of the body as a gene donor. Any figure that does this I will return. I find it sloppy and defeats the usefulness of that product. These characters are not sufficiently odd or unique to require baked in height scaling. (Such as a monster or creature)

the only official product that did this with the body only dial was Leo7. If there are others I'm unaware.

 

And now Victoria 8

Greetings,

Victoria8 doesnt have the separate non-scaling body morph only slider.  

this has made apprehensive to buy Olympia 8

Yes, I see the same thing. When you dial in the "Victoria 8 Body" slider all by itself, instead of changing the shape without changing the scaling, it changes both shape and scaling.

That doesn't happen with Olympia 8. When you dial in "Olympia 8 Body", her shape changes, but her height doesn't. If you dial out the Olympia 8 main control slider, she grows -- she's shorter than G8F herself -- and when you dial in Olympia 8 Body, her shape changes but she doesn't shrink. If you use the main Olympia 8 control slider -- which will make her shorter --- then dial out her head and body separately, she stays short.

Conversely, if you dial in Victoria 8's main slider, then separately dial out her body, she gets shorter, because they put scaling in the body slider. Again.

TIL!!

(TIL == Today I Learned...!)

I've never noticed that.  I would have thought the Head dial would scale the head appropriate to the character, and the body would adjust the size of the body, under the theory that the scaling isn't somehow 'overall' it's the result of sizing up and down individual components of the body that results in a longer torso, legs, etc...  And it turns out that while I would have thought that, I would be wrong!

Thanks for the correction!

--  Morgan