I recently released a free pose on ShareCG that made the G1/G2/G3 clone morphs in G8F visible to the user.  Much to my disappointment, I was quickly informed that it wouldn't be nearly as useful as I thought because the morphs do not come with corresponding adjustments to the rigging.  My excitement at having transgender morphing capabilities in G8F via the G3M clone morph was dashed…or was it?

As it turns out, there is a surprisingly simple solution to the rigging issue, and perhaps ironically, it might only be available in Poser.  All you have to do is right-click on the clone morph in the Parameters tab and select "Match centers to morph."  Poser will automatically re-rig the figure for you, and the new rigging will apply to whatever extent the morph is dialed!  It basically becomes a fully functional shaping morph!

There were a couple of minor issues initially.  In sufficiently extreme poses, the area around the nipples looks unnaturally squashed.  As it turns out, this is a problem even with the default female shape of G8F.  It's just more noticeable on a male chest.  It didn't take long for me to find out that the squashing was caused by automatic translation of the "pectoral" body parts that occurs when the figure is posed in certain ways.  After making sure that the figure didn't also look weird without this translation, I quickly devised a PZ2 file that would turn it off.

Another minor issue was an unnaturally sharp crease that happens along the lower edge of the pectorals if the chest is bent forward.  A quick bit of custom morphing fixed that, and I then created a PZ2 file that INJects the new morph as a JCM enslaved to the appropriate dial on the chest.  I'll probably be releasing both adjustment poses on ShareCG very soon.

Technically, this is a clone of the Genesis 3 Male, but since the Genesis 8 Female is virtually identical to Genesis 3 Female with slightly different shoulder creases, it's probably not unreasonable to think of this as a kind of Genesis 8 Male.  This is especially true if you also set Genesis 3 Female to -1 (you'll have to change the limits), which mimics the effect of reversing the difference between the G8F and G3F shoulder creases, thus approximating what a real G8M's shoulder creases might be like.

This guy was made via the procedure I've just described, with a few extra dials spun as finishing touches (e.g. a bit of "Shoulder Width," "Torso Length," and "Body Tone").  Victoria 8's head is also applied, so for a name, I'm torn between Victor and Vittorio (the latter being an homage to Pdxjims' great work with a custom V4 male).

The nipples/areolae may look a bit big, but I think that's more of a texturing issue, since they look significantly smaller with the default texture set.  Of course, he's no Michael 8, who apparently debuted just as I was in the midst of writing this, but at least for those who like having a transgender morphing option, this seems like a great starting point!

It'll be fun to see if I can turn Michael 8 into Michelle via an analogous process!  Transgender morphing is back, baby!
Seriously, though, the timing of my discovery and the release of the official G8M/M8 is uncanny!

orange banner isn't up but check your exclusive offers in your messages section get extra bonuses if your lucky plus if you get michael don't forget to add any of the other michael bundles you don't have that are listed into your cart to get them free

 

Yes, we must be careful though. My orange banner is not correct. It states I own one previous pro bundle and that is incorrect, I own 2 previous pros, 3 if they include M5 that came with Carrara. They fixed this later with V8, maybe they will do the same in this case too.

Yes, good advice, I own 4 Michael Pro bundles, and it says I only own 3. Not sure if to wait a while, or submit a support ticket. No orange banner either, so maybe I will wait a few more hours.

 

 

Orange banners almost never show on my phone but they always do on my monitor. Did you check your messages?

Hi HorusRa,

I usually have no problem getting orange banners, but strangely nothing this time....BUT.... it is in my exclusive offers messages, but the number of owned Michael Pro bundles is wrong.

I have bought Michael 4,5,6,7 Pro bundles in the past, and Daz has calculated this as owning 3 Pro bundles !    Hopefully just another Daz glitch (sigh).

I don't think they counted Victoria 4 in the last promo for Victoria 8 - so I they probably won't include Michael 4 as counting toward the number of pro bundles. I think they might be just counting the Genesis line.

Yes,

Interestingly, they are counting the M4 Pro bundle as one of the FREE Michael Pro bundles, so maybe this is where I saw the confusion. It is quite feasable they may only be giving discount for Genesis Pro bundles owned, and if as you suggest, V4 wasn't counted, then my exclusive offer total is right.

I have started to put some Michael 8 items in my cart, and the discounts are correct, so looks like I will be spending my day making purchases, downloading content, and doing that all important first render!  Happy days.

Y'know, I'm the same way. I'm not feeling the love for the G8 line at all, and don't like using them, except when I have to. And as for previous content....I'm currently going through my "Lost and found" categorization in Smart Content and I have products there that I have completely forgotten about. Including half a dozen or so stonemason products - so I'm installing it all, correcting the metadata so it will actually show in Smart Content, and I've realized...I don't need to buy stuff for a long long time.  

Sorry, just not into him. If he was real, I wouldn't date him. My favorite is still Michael 4. Like Victoria 8, I just don't find him attractive. I have more than enough males from previous generations and so far, I have to say, I'm just not impressed with Gen 8. I have soooo much content already, that I have a feeling I'll be good with just the G8 bases and morphs and some merchant resource morphs and may wait for G9 and great sales on older content...  Actually, I have more content than I could probably use in a lifetime, so I'm happy I'm not swayed to purchase him 

 

How do you change the metadata to add to smart content? I still haven't figured that out...

Haslor is working on a tutorial. If you have access to the PC forum, there's more about it there:

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/24231/request-for-comment-content-folder-structure/p1

orange banner isn't up but check your exclusive offers in your messages section get extra bonuses if your lucky plus if you get michael don't forget to add any of the other michael bundles you don't have that are listed into your cart to get them free

 

Yes, we must be careful though. My orange banner is not correct. It states I own one previous pro bundle and that is incorrect, I own 2 previous pros, 3 if they include M5 that came with Carrara. They fixed this later with V8, maybe they will do the same in this case too.

Yes, good advice, I own 4 Michael Pro bundles, and it says I only own 3. Not sure if to wait a while, or submit a support ticket. No orange banner either, so maybe I will wait a few more hours.

 

 

Orange banners almost never show on my phone but they always do on my monitor. Did you check your messages?

Hi HorusRa,

I usually have no problem getting orange banners, but strangely nothing this time....BUT.... it is in my exclusive offers messages, but the number of owned Michael Pro bundles is wrong.

I have bought Michael 4,5,6,7 Pro bundles in the past, and Daz has calculated this as owning 3 Pro bundles !    Hopefully just another Daz glitch (sigh).

I don't think they counted Victoria 4 in the last promo for Victoria 8 - so I they probably won't include Michael 4 as counting toward the number of pro bundles. I think they might be just counting the Genesis line.

Abbreviations do not work when searching for files (but they do work for products)

I stumbled upon this while discussing a support ticket.

I share this here so this different search behavior becomes common knowledge.

​- - -

​​- Go to the Smart Content Tab

- Uncheck Filter by Context

- Select the Materials Category

Example 1 A)

- Select Products

- Enter Vic into the search bar

140 results

- Enter Victoria into the search bar

135 results

-> This does make sense. A more precise search term does yield less results.

​The 135 results for Victoria are included when searching for Vic.

Abbreviations​ can be used when searching.

- - -

​Example 1B)

Select Files

- Enter Vic into the search bar

0 results

- Enter Victoria into the search bar

936 results

This behaves differently than in the products search.

You have to search with the exact search term. You can not use abbreviations.

In this example there is no file called just Vic.

​If you want to find files called Victoria you have to spell the whole name.

- - -

- - -

I like him. In fact, he is the type of guy (Gabriel Aubry) I was going to suggest as the model for Genesis 8 Male. I love his eyebrows because they have never been plucked---ever. The hair that is not in the Pro Bundle looks like OOT (thinness of hair strands) on the top. Maybe it will be released tomorrow. We get 12 items in the Pro Bundle (up from 11), but I have no use or desire for the Dark Prince or Sci-Fi Settler (or their parts).

And if it was OK to say that Victoria 8 looked masculine, then perhaps I can say that the full body renders of Michael 8 on his promo page (body language and positioning) make him look like he would be more interested in Gianni than Victoria.

it's actually quite easy and doesn't take too long at all....the biggest problem is when it's a HUGE product and all the filenames are the same and don't differentiate between iray or 3delight (if they have them). I can pm you in a bit rather than hijack this thread. :D  

Y'know, I'm the same way. I'm not feeling the love for the G8 line at all, and don't like using them, except when I have to. And as for previous content....I'm currently going through my "Lost and found" categorization in Smart Content and I have products there that I have completely forgotten about. Including half a dozen or so stonemason products - so I'm installing it all, correcting the metadata so it will actually show in Smart Content, and I've realized...I don't need to buy stuff for a long long time.  

Sorry, just not into him. If he was real, I wouldn't date him. My favorite is still Michael 4. Like Victoria 8, I just don't find him attractive. I have more than enough males from previous generations and so far, I have to say, I'm just not impressed with Gen 8. I have soooo much content already, that I have a feeling I'll be good with just the G8 bases and morphs and some merchant resource morphs and may wait for G9 and great sales on older content...  Actually, I have more content than I could probably use in a lifetime, so I'm happy I'm not swayed to purchase him 

 

How do you change the metadata to add to smart content? I still haven't figured that out...

Y'know, I'm the same way. I'm not feeling the love for the G8 line at all, and don't like using them, except when I have to. And as for previous content....I'm currently going through my "Lost and found" categorization in Smart Content and I have products there that I have completely forgotten about. Including half a dozen or so stonemason products - so I'm installing it all, correcting the metadata so it will actually show in Smart Content, and I've realized...I don't need to buy stuff for a long long time.  

Sorry, just not into him. If he was real, I wouldn't date him. My favorite is still Michael 4. Like Victoria 8, I just don't find him attractive. I have more than enough males from previous generations and so far, I have to say, I'm just not impressed with Gen 8. I have soooo much content already, that I have a feeling I'll be good with just the G8 bases and morphs and some merchant resource morphs and may wait for G9 and great sales on older content...  Actually, I have more content than I could probably use in a lifetime, so I'm happy I'm not swayed to purchase him 

 

How do you change the metadata to add to smart content? I still haven't figured that out...

Y'know, I'm the same way. I'm not feeling the love for the G8 line at all, and don't like using them, except when I have to. And as for previous content....I'm currently going through my "Lost and found" categorization in Smart Content and I have products there that I have completely forgotten about. Including half a dozen or so stonemason products - so I'm installing it all, correcting the metadata so it will actually show in Smart Content, and I've realized...I don't need to buy stuff for a long long time.  

Sorry, just not into him. If he was real, I wouldn't date him. My favorite is still Michael 4. Like Victoria 8, I just don't find him attractive. I have more than enough males from previous generations and so far, I have to say, I'm just not impressed with Gen 8. I have soooo much content already, that I have a feeling I'll be good with just the G8 bases and morphs and some merchant resource morphs and may wait for G9 and great sales on older content...  Actually, I have more content than I could probably use in a lifetime, so I'm happy I'm not swayed to purchase him 

Sorry, just not into him. If he was real, I wouldn't date him. My favorite is still Michael 4. Like Victoria 8, I just don't find him attractive. I have more than enough males from previous generations and so far, I have to say, I'm just not impressed with Gen 8. I have soooo much content already, that I have a feeling I'll be good with just the G8 bases and morphs and some merchant resource morphs and may wait for G9 and great sales on older content...  Actually, I have more content than I could probably use in a lifetime, so I'm happy I'm not swayed to purchase him 

was starting to think it was just me saying that......  

Looks like a soul-less plastic Ken doll

the whole G8 line remindes me of the Victoria 2 and 3 era.

or maybe its the lackluster renders, or the downgraded Iray settings. though Im still gona buy it

Looks like a soul-less plastic Ken doll

the whole G8 line remindes me of the Victoria 2 and 3 era.

or maybe its the lackluster renders, or the downgraded Iray settings. though Im still gona buy it

OK, so Michael 8 is out.  And they are throwing in the previous Michael bundles with the Michael 8 bundles.

When Victoria 8 came out, we saw the spiffy orange banner that gave us credit for any previous bundles that we may already have owned, in the form of a 10% off for each bundle that we already owned..  For those of us that acquired Victoria 5 with Carrara Pro, we eventually were allowed to get credit for the V5 pro bundles included with that purchase.

I'm hoping that we can get credit for our M5 bundles this time around, so I'm posting this up now, should we see a similar orange banner again r.e. Michael 8...heck your

Check your messages > Exclusive offers 

OK, so Michael 8 is out.  And they are throwing in the previous Michael bundles with the Michael 8 bundles.

When Victoria 8 came out, we saw the spiffy orange banner that gave us credit for any previous bundles that we may already have owned, in the form of a 10% off for each bundle that we already owned..  For those of us that acquired Victoria 5 with Carrara Pro, we eventually were allowed to get credit for the V5 pro bundles included with that purchase.

I'm hoping that we can get credit for our M5 bundles this time around, so I'm posting this up now, should we see a similar orange banner again r.e. Michael 8...

No banner here, but having M4, M6 and M7, putting M8 in the cart gets a 61% discount. And I could get a free M5.
This deal was a lot better when I didn't have most previous models (the V8 deal). This way it's not too inviting to me.
PS: There actually IS a message in the exclusive offers message box, although it only mentions 2 previous pro bundles, even though I have 3.

OK, so Michael 8 is out.  And they are throwing in the previous Michael bundles with the Michael 8 bundles.

When Victoria 8 came out, we saw the spiffy orange banner that gave us credit for any previous bundles that we may already have owned, in the form of a 10% off for each bundle that we already owned..  For those of us that acquired Victoria 5 with Carrara Pro, we eventually were allowed to get credit for the V5 pro bundles included with that purchase.

I'm hoping that we can get credit for our M5 bundles this time around, so I'm posting this up now, should we see a similar orange banner again r.e. Michael 8...

A few tidbits of interest- over at Rendo, OOT has a nice material set for the Sci- Fi Lieutenant Outfit sold here, and it is 60 percent off  (as is her store.) (Woot, I had just gotten/mentioned that outfit!)

Also materials for Deliciously Evil Queen (that turns it into a gorgeous outfit for good gals too!)  For the guys, she has materials for Chevalier Armor. She has a shirt for Gen8F that is also dirt cheap. 

From our Flash sale, I picked up a lot of the FWSA gals to get their materials for the eyebrows, there's some nice, thicker ones. I like Ana-Sofia's eyebrows and rich skin tones.

Thank you. I finally got the OOT Iray hair shaders.

A few tidbits of interest- over at Rendo, OOT has a nice material set for the Sci- Fi Lieutenant Outfit sold here, and it is 60 percent off  (as is her store.) (Woot, I had just gotten/mentioned that outfit!)

Also materials for Deliciously Evil Queen (that turns it into a gorgeous outfit for good gals too!)  For the guys, she has materials for Chevalier Armor. She has a shirt for Gen8F that is also dirt cheap. 

From our Flash sale, I picked up a lot of the FWSA gals to get their materials for the eyebrows, there's some nice, thicker ones. I like Ana-Sofia's eyebrows and rich skin tones.

I really really dislike the use of the diffuse layers for make up and eyebrows.  Doesn't show up in the working window at all so you can't see what it looks like unless you either use the iray preveiw which bogs down a lot of people's machines, or you have to spot render or do a whole render every time you change the make up. I can go through quite a few make up changes for one render so the added time and aggravation just aren't worth it for me. 

I am very excited for you though and I am sure that Daz will love your character!

I'm sorry to hear that. Because it sounds like my only other options is to create a ton of L.I.E. presets, create new paths and file hierarchies, then learn how to do text/code rewriting to rewrite the paths, or the other option - bloat the files down with 72 images just for the makeup options alone and have huge file sizes - and I'm not sure people would want such large files A) taking ages to download and B) taking up valuable space on their hard drives. lol I think I'll have to go with the diffuse layers for the eye makeup for now, at least for this character. As it lets me cut the images for the makeup down from that otherwise 72 images to a much more manageable 22 images. Victoria 8 uses the diffuse layers for her makeups and eyebrows and I've not seen a lot of complaints about it on the forum. But I'd understand if you're not interested in diffuse layered makeup. :) I can't twist your arm. lol *hugs*

Edit - Her eyebrows won't be on diffuse layers, they will be on the full texture maps. The lipstick will also not be on diffuse layers. It will just be the eye makeup on the diffuse layers and I'll have very clear preview images for the makeup options to show what they look like clearly. :) I know it's not a perfect solution, but I guess with characters with a lot of different makeup and several different eyebrow options, there really isn't a 'perfect' solution. lol 

Misty at the Rendo Forms outlines just doing that setting a character preset in studio and using it in Carrara.  She details out a LOT of information on using from V3 to V7 in Carrara worth reading.  look for Notes,workflow tips a few changes from Victoria 3 to Victoria 7.  There are several relevant threads with some useful information on this and related subjects. 

Parameters would be the place to look - the others require the modifier type to be set, which it won't be for the older figures. The expressions are under Morphs|Expressions in the parameters pane, with the head selected. I don't hink they have to be injected, but you might try going to Poser Formats>content directory>Pose>DAZ' Victoria 4>Morph Injections and double-clicking Inj Base V4.