Totte said:

inquire said:

I would just like some notification from Daz that yes they are at work producing a version of Daz studio that will run natively on the Apple Silicon M chips. That would remove some of my anxiety that Apple may drop Rosetta 2 and that people running DAZ studio in emulation mode Will not be able to run DAZ studio. As I've mentioned before, that has happened to me before with Rosetta 1, And other apps. So I don't think we should assume that Rosetta 2 Is going to remain permanently as an option in a new release of a Macintosh OS.

To my understanding that is what they are doing with the mythical Daz Studio 5, also Filament also requires DS 5 as Filament does not work with the way Qt 4.8 (which DS 4 is built on) works on macOS. 

As I understand it Filament could be made to work with Qt 4, but it would still require a recompile that would break the Application Binary Interface and so cause all plug-ins to break - that is why it has to wait for DS5, which is going to break plug-ins anyway.

TheNathanParable said:

Experimenting with faking effects and using iray canvases for FilaToon renders.

So there are four lights in this scene. One distant light set to a dark purple with shadows, and three orange-ish spotlights outside each window with a wide spread and no shadows to add some glow.

The light shafts are props from the Filament Atmospheres product scaled down and positioned at each window, mimicking a technique i've seen in older videogames to create fake light shafts. I also adjusted the glass of the windows to be emissives so they're affected by bloom.

Finally, I used an iRay canvas to render out a depth map, making sure the fake light shafts were set to NOT be visible in render (this doesn't affect Filament renders at all, so you can set it and forget it), and used that in Krita to add a depth-of-field blur and to make the background a bit darker.

I really wanted to add a Ambient Occlusion canvas too, but for the life of me I couldn't get any decent results from that.

But yeah, aside from that one hiccup, i'm really glad with how this came out!

Gallery link: https://www.daz3d.com/gallery#gallery=all&sort=newest&page=1&image=1352301

Wow, I might start playing around with filament now after seeing this. This looks fantastic. 

inquire said:

I would just like some notification from Daz that yes they are at work producing a version of Daz studio that will run natively on the Apple Silicon M chips. That would remove some of my anxiety that Apple may drop Rosetta 2 and that people running DAZ studio in emulation mode Will not be able to run DAZ studio. As I've mentioned before, that has happened to me before with Rosetta 1, And other apps. So I don't think we should assume that Rosetta 2 Is going to remain permanently as an option in a new release of a Macintosh OS.

To my understanding that is what they are doing with the mythical Daz Studio 5, also Filament also requires DS 5 as Filament does not work with the way Qt 4.8 (which DS 4 is built on) works on macOS. 

Well in a thread on the FilaToon Shaders Mada mentioned that there is some work to finally port filament for Mac. Why should adding another render engine (isn't filament nothing else) break plug-in compatibility. Not that I'm an expert but does this make sense.

I'm rather worried that DS5 will be something one needs to wait until at least 2025 if not even longer. And as it is I'm also worried that DS5 for Mac might again lack on functionality a Win version gets.

Plus nobody knows that DAZ have on the roadmap in terms of making Studio even more subscription based so I would very well welcome a 4.X filament integration for Mac. Although a native Apple Silicon Studio might not surface before Studio 5.

Damn it.

1. No ETA as far as I know.

2. Richard Haseltine said in the Daz Studio 5 discussion that Filament on MacOS will only be added in Daz Studio 5:

Richard Haseltine said:

Filament for Mac will not be added before DS 5 as it will entail breaking plug-in compatibility.

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/8919486/#Comment_8919486

Dartanbeck said:

Taoz said:

3Diva said:

Ahhh I see - Recieve Shadows, that makes a HUGE difference in scenes like this. Thank you!

@3Diva You can also enable shadows for the lights, here an example using the distant light.  Unfortunately you can't adjust Intensity and Softness, but hopefully that will come later.

https://app.screencast.com/9mS97tugitb3X

I'm in the middle of a lengthy simulation right now, but I'm pretty sure that there are shadow intensity adjustments on the individual FilaToon shaders (?) - there or in the Filament Draw Options

Yes, you're right:

https://app.screencast.com/hUHQyD7PFxfli

And you need to have the light's Shadow Type set to Deep Shadow Map for it to work, and Receiving Shadows must be On.  

Are there any news (or even planned release dates for):

- a proper 4.23 public release for Mac with all of ManFridays plugins running
- the filament toonshader finally available on Mac

As it is I feel like I have to pay full Premier for a crippled product.

Taoz said:

3Diva said:

Ahhh I see - Recieve Shadows, that makes a HUGE difference in scenes like this. Thank you!

@3Diva You can also enable shadows for the lights, here an example using the distant light.  Unfortunately you can't adjust Intensity and Softness, but hopefully that will come later.

https://app.screencast.com/9mS97tugitb3X

I'm in the middle of a lengthy simulation right now, but I'm pretty sure that there are shadow intensity adjustments on the individual FilaToon shaders (?) - there or in the Filament Draw Options

Drogo Nazhur said:

crosswind said:

Drogo Nazhur said:

I think that I kno the answer but in order to use this new toon stuff, do we need to purchase new characters, hair, accessories, shaders, environments, etc., to create this toon world or is it just a different render engine which will work with existing characters and accessories?

You don't have to buy newly-released toon characters, hairs, wearables, etc. ~ The Filatoon shaders are provided in DS 4.23 and G9 Starter Essentials, so you can apply the new shaders to the products you own (not all... some products will work badly with Filatoon), plus necessary tweaking, then render with Filament drawstyle.  

Will it work on G1. I have a lot of G1 toons.

It will apply to anything.

crosswind said:

Drogo Nazhur said:

I think that I kno the answer but in order to use this new toon stuff, do we need to purchase new characters, hair, accessories, shaders, environments, etc., to create this toon world or is it just a different render engine which will work with existing characters and accessories?

You don't have to buy newly-released toon characters, hairs, wearables, etc. ~ The Filatoon shaders are provided in DS 4.23 and G9 Starter Essentials, so you can apply the new shaders to the products you own (not all... some products will work badly with Filatoon), plus necessary tweaking, then render with Filament drawstyle.  

Will it work on G1. I have a lot of G1 toons.

Yes, Filament will work on integrated graphics if you do not have a discrete card. It runs surprisingly well.

How do I know? My 780ti fried and had to run on integrated graphics for almost a year due to the crypto craze. I'm glad that phase is over. I just hope my current card does not die while the AI craze is ongoing.

memcneil70 said:

alexhcowley said:

Has anyone tried DS4.23 general release on Win 10 yet?  Are there any issues for US2? 

Cheers,

Alex.

I opened it up on my desktop Win 10 with a GTX 1080 card. I saw a lot of white fields initially, it took a long time for the screen to fill up and I had to select a workspace, add the USC2 pane and found the scripts and favorites I may have had before were gone, so I added Code66's Alienator Pro II scripts and his Toobox scripts quickly and also serial numbers for new plug-ins. When I rebooted Daz Studio, I had to redo Daz Studio totally, only the plug-ins stuck. I made sure to save in Content DB Maintenance 'Export User Data' before opening USC2. 

Again, a lot of white for a period of time, that resolved into what I expect. But after trying to create a test scene, it through an error, not specified. So I went back and closed the cameras on a number of items, tried again. I received a notice a render was in progress!? No sign of one on my screen. I changed to filament and the render ran. I think I will stay off of the D|S 4.23.0.1 for any work in Daz Studio. It is just weird after working with the Beta for years. (I will freely admit this 2017 computer is having serious issues and why I bought the Win 11 laptop. So my experience may not be a valid test.)

Mary

Mary,

Many thanks for your comments.  My render PC is a  bit more up-to-date than yours but it is still two or three years old. I think I will continue with the latest 4.22  Beta for the moment. 

Cheers,

Alex.  

Beginner Challenge - Materials!

From shiny polished gems to rough bark, and from silk to leather! This month's focus will be on Materials and Surfaces. One of the most important aspects of a great render is the effective use of materials. Effective surface settings can add realism, style, and visual interest to an image. This month we will be concentrating on how to create and manipulate the surfaces on the objects in your scene.

Also, keep in mind all the various items covered over the past several months. They will affect the way your materials look in your final rendered scene.

Previous Challenges on this topic:

November 2017

November 2018

November 2019

November 2020

November 2021

November 2022

November 2023

Helpful Links:

When following tutorials, be cognizant of the different applications (Bryce, Daz Studio, Poser, Carrara and Blender, etc.) and different render engines (3Delight, Iray, Reality, etc). Techniques for one may not apply directly to another. If you have some favorite Materials, Surfaces, and Shader tips, please share them in this thread.

Daz Studio Tutorials:

Daz 101: Surfaces by Daz 3D (video)
Iray Surfaces and What They Mean by Sickleyield
The Iray Uber Base Shader by Daz 3D (video)
Daz 3D Tutorial: Make anything a light source by Daz 3D (video)
Daz 3D Tutorial: Using bump and displacement maps by Daz 3D (video)

A more recent recording of a stream by Jay Versluis:

In the Studio with DAZ3d - Shaders and Materials

In case you want to work with filament:

Daz3d Animation Series: animation_filament

Bryce Tutorials:

A compilation of tutorials for Bryce, there is a lot about materials to find there as well by Daz 3D

Other helpful places:

3Delight - Uberenvironment made easy!

This is more in depth and experimental for the 3delight renderer: 3Delight Laboratory Thread: tips, questions, experiments

alexhcowley said:

Has anyone tried DS4.23 general release on Win 10 yet?  Are there any issues for US2? 

Cheers,

Alex.

I opened it up on my desktop Win 10 with a GTX 1080 card. I saw a lot of white fields initially, it took a long time for the screen to fill up and I had to select a workspace, add the USC2 pane and found the scripts and favorites I may have had before were gone, so I added Code66's Alienator Pro II scripts and his Toobox scripts quickly and also serial numbers for new plug-ins. When I rebooted Daz Studio, I had to redo Daz Studio totally, only the plug-ins stuck. I made sure to save in Content DB Maintenance 'Export User Data' before opening USC2. 

Again, a lot of white for a period of time, that resolved into what I expect. But after trying to create a test scene, it through an error, not specified. So I went back and closed the cameras on a number of items, tried again. I received a notice a render was in progress!? No sign of one on my screen. I changed to filament and the render ran. I think I will stay off of the D|S 4.23.0.1 for any work in Daz Studio. It is just weird after working with the Beta for years. (I will freely admit this 2017 computer is having serious issues and why I bought the Win 11 laptop. So my experience may not be a valid test.)

Mary

Drogo Nazhur said:

I think that I kno the answer but in order to use this new toon stuff, do we need to purchase new characters, hair, accessories, shaders, environments, etc., to create this toon world or is it just a different render engine which will work with existing characters and accessories?

You don't have to buy newly-released toon characters, hairs, wearables, etc. ~ The Filatoon shaders are provided in DS 4.23 and G9 Starter Essentials, so you can apply the new shaders to the products you own (not all... some products will work badly with Filatoon), plus necessary tweaking, then render with Filament drawstyle.  

Different render engine. Well the same Filament renderer with some new settings and using new shaders that are in the Daz Studio Default Resources. So you can easily rework most existing content into Filatoon style. The new products just come set up that way out of the box. 

vrba79 said:

Free Genesis 9 stuff including male and female anime characters, a spiffy new cartoon shader for Filament, and material presets to make those things work in concert!

Many thanks!

Artini said:

Very nice, @Wendy

Good to see, that there are some other possibilities with FilaToon renders.

I especially like how easy is to get multi-figure scenes without the excessive time of rendering.

 

I only used the Filatoon shader for the candle flames, otherwise it's regular iray Uber

the thing is, I never could do glow in Filament before but that shader unlocks that functionality 

I hate Shadermixer but may need to delve into it again and explore this one if it's possible as it might unlock a few other functions missing in Filament which indeed I like using for speed

another non toon but also non PBR video

HighElf said:

Spotlights still give me a headache. The one that highlights the gifts needed to be very close even with boosted Lumen numbers. I wonder where the filament draw node nibbles on the distance for certain lights. 

But to my surprise, the point light above her worked quite nicely. It needed only a little bit of adjustment. I guess I get distant light now. I wonder if I could use multiple distant lights for a 3P set-up.

Love this! What coat is that? 

Free Genesis 9 stuff including male and female anime characters, a spiffy new cartoon shader for Filament, and material presets to make those things work in concert!