Richard Haseltine said:

AlmightyQUEST said:

All the talk about storage space and clearing shelves to make room for new products doesn't really make sense when we're talking about digital products. I don't get what is gained out of telling people they shouldn't be wishing a product was still available. I don't expect it to come back, but it's still a shame. Gotta think about either taking down or adding a note to my presets.

Older products may cause cibnfusion in search results, however, or may be felt to be a poor reflection of the maker's current output. I think some people did in fact report issues with pwToon, affecting the line weights as I recall, so it may have been removed for that.

nemesis10 said:

My sister would laugh; she worked for several major museums and you should see people's eyes light up when she explained what deaccessioning was.  Even Amazon doesn't store everything.  They act as a broker for a bunch of smaller stores and that small store with have the vhs head cleaner if you are lucky.

Eh, I just get my video head cleaner from a local place and save the hassle.

Right? I did a G9 render with PwToon last night. Really nice clean results. Its the best toon shader ever made, and if Daz3D isn't gonna preserve it, then people will just have to think outside the box. Take that statement as you will.

AlmightyQUEST said:

All the talk about storage space and clearing shelves to make room for new products doesn't really make sense when we're talking about digital products. I don't get what is gained out of telling people they shouldn't be wishing a product was still available. I don't expect it to come back, but it's still a shame. Gotta think about either taking down or adding a note to my presets.

Older products may cause cibnfusion in search results, however, or may be felt to be a poor reflection of the maker's current output. I think some people did in fact report issues with pwToon, affecting the line weights as I recall, so it may have been removed for that.

nemesis10 said:

My sister would laugh; she worked for several major museums and you should see people's eyes light up when she explained what deaccessioning was.  Even Amazon doesn't store everything.  They act as a broker for a bunch of smaller stores and that small store with have the vhs head cleaner if you are lucky.

Eh, I just get my video head cleaner from a local place and save the hassle.

I've been wanting to see how Genesis 9 looks with a lot of my usual render methods of choice, so here he is in PwToon, and Hiro 5's eyebrows.

PwToon and my custom skin texture for G9. I can't for the life of me find the eye texture I made, but I just wanted to see what the model would look like with this particular shader. Also slapped the G1 Hiro 5 eyebrows on him, because I wanted to see if they'd autofit. Yup! They do! When I stop being broke as all get out, I'm gonna need to try those G9 Toon Hero morphs with this shader. I bet they'll look awesome! Its fun mixing "obsolete" with "cutting edge!"

It again begs the question: If they're not gonna sell it, why not just release it as-is in a "Here it's free, but don't bother us for tech support, if/when it stops working, okay?" kind of way. Because the first thing people ask me when they see my PwToon renders is "Wow, which shader is that?", and then I gotta tell them "Sorry, they don't sell that any more!"

I think the pwToon & pwEffect were never DAZ Originals, and that they were still owned by the original PA. I own both but I can't check the PA data in the DAZ Store anymore. I think it may of been Poseworks also, same as the other pwShader products.

I see Taoz already tracked down to PA.

vrba79 said:

PwToon came up in discussion again, and it got me reflecting on what a shame it is that those who didn't already buy it can no longer legally obtain it. Is that stuff just lost to time, or will we see them pop up on the freebie page eventually?

All good things come to an end, which is why it sometimes pays to be a Daz hoarder. Love love love this set.

NorthOf45 said:

I got that bundle years ago when all the parts were still available. pwToon and pwEffect still show in my Product Library, but they do not show as being part of the bundle anymore. The other parts, pwSurface 2, pwGhost and pwCatch are still there. It is too bad, 3DL shaders are few and far between, despite these still working pretty well. Yeah, there are some warnings, but renders come out...

Good to know and saves me the trouble. Too bad it's bad news for people who want pwtoon and haven't got it. Also too bad 3DL is treated like the unwanted stepchild. At least it still works for those who use it.

I got that bundle years ago when all the parts were still available. pwToon and pwEffect still show in my Product Library, but they do not show as being part of the bundle anymore. The other parts, pwSurface 2, pwGhost and pwCatch are still there. It is too bad, 3DL shaders are few and far between, despite these still working pretty well. Yeah, there are some warnings, but renders come out...

I know I've asked in the past in the forums if that bundle actually includes those two, and if they are just missing links because they aren't in the store. I don't believe I've gotten an answer before from somehow who owns the bundle. I hesitate to suggest people who are looking for the shader buy the bundle at that price if it might not be included, even if they can return it.

I love pwToon, I lost track of the vendor when I wasn't doing any 3D stuff for several years, so not sure what all happened.

That's really weird! We still find https://www.daz3d.com/pw-shaders-bundle with a promo pic that includes PWToon and PWeffect, but neither are listed as part of the bundle.

Using iRay when you want PWToon is like substituting meat for fruit in your recipe. It might still be good, but it's not what you're after.

I think some folks have tried to get something similar working in iRAY but to me most do not stand up to PWToon!  It really is a shame this code couldn't be somehow emulated using the iRAY render engine since MOST use only that these days!  

There are valid reasons for using 3DL. Yeah, IRAY is great for getting some looks, but there are some things 3DL just plain does better.

After a lot of head-to-wall interfacing, one day I managed to finally get IRAY to produce some nice NPR results in-software, but stuff like VSS, dzDefault Toon and PWToon still do it better and with more versatility.

Having those options readily available is a good thing, not a hinderance.

XxGreyxX,

Nice! Thanks for sharing. It's useful to have PWTOON in one's creative toolkit.

Cheers!

XxGreyxX said:

Hi,I've been experimenting with some juvesatriani's PWTOON settings combined with some Clip Paint Studio effects and over painting. Thank you Juvesatriani for creating such a great shader.