• High Definition details: Use either HD morphs in conjunction with high SubD level (e.g., ~ level 4) or otherwise use Normal maps and Bump maps.  You can use a combination of all three, of course.  Just be aware that Normal Map details will often just be a baked version of the HD morph details, so depending on what maps and morphs you are using you might not want to use both HD morph and Normal map for a given character at same time or it will represent doubling of the HD detail.  But you can always eyeball what looks good. 
• Skin microdetail maps: The PBR Skin shader has slots for skin details, so can plug some micro facet detail maps in there if you want. (I dont think this is generally necessary)
• Specularity: Use good quality specularity or roughness maps, ideally they should have speculairty details that correspond to the High Definition details, but probably not totally necessary.
• Vellus Hair: That character in your example picture is using Those Things's vellus hair product.
• Skin Shader: Use skin shader with good SSS settings and specularity settings.  MelissaGT has some tutorial somewhere for setting SSS for Uber shader, and there are also some advice buried within various forums like this one.

I have every muscle morph set you can think of for G8M (SWOLE for Genesis 8 Male, Auto Muscle Enhancer HD For Genesis 8 Male, Musculature HD Morphs for Genesis 8 Male, The Brute 8 HD Add-On, etc etc), but I can't seem to find a nice looking set for the serratus anterior and external oblique muscles.  All the muscle sets tend to have an extremely muscular base.  It is possible to have a skinny/swimmers/athletic build and still show these muscles.

Can anyone think of any characters that have these muscles shown, but don't look like the hulk?

Or maybe I can take an existing normal map set, intensify those particular muscles, and smooth out everything else.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

SickleYield said:

jepegraphics said:

necroscension said:

Material Suits updates are out! It appears that the suits with anatomical elements are working with shape dials/presets! Thanks sickleyield!

At least DAZ Studio doesn't crash anymore whe loading the Material Suit, that's a big step forward!

Now only someone who can explain how to get the shaping morphs of the MASC Gens to show up - any suggestions? The basic shape morphs in the genitals are there, but not the various expansions from other merchants.

They can't directly. Even aside the shortcoming of being unable to get HD morphs into conformers, there wasn't a way to get any morphs from one genital set to another without just using transfer utility again, because the gens suit has to conform to the bodysuit (not the other set of gens). If you want to try a workaround, you can mark morphs as favorite on thr gens you want to copy from and use the "morphs" function of Transfer Utility. I understand if that's a deal breaker, but it was a problem I couldn't solve. The original morphs are there because I recreated them all one by one.

I'm sorry to hear that and I have to say that this is indeed a deal breaker for me. I'm sorry that I didn't understand what really was going on with this product, otherwise I wouldn't have bought it. As it is now I have no use of it. Morph transfer would be an option, but I already have all those morphs on G8 Male Gens, so I will further use G8 with it's maps and G9 with it's maps, it is not a real problem.

RiverSoftArt said:

Eboshijaana said:

RiverSoftArt said:

Eboshijaana said:

Naturally, I had to experiment on the update.

It is not AS broken as pre-update, but not quite the transfer utility level.

I also exposed a few TU settings in the data/RiverSoft Art/Common/RSG8G9CharacterConversionConstants.dsa file.  You could try setting some of those.

Okay, I've spent a few hours testing the converter with the file edited. I tried using the EXACT same settings between the converter and TU.
Thoughts;
1. Regardless of settings, the Converter changes the body of g9 while TU leaves it alone.
2. Could the 'reverse source shape from target' setting affect the above?
I will try to use my self-made clone for the converter, just to see if it would affect things.

The ADJUST_TARGET_BASE constant is the one that sets the 'reverse source shape from target' 

Okay, back to the drawing board then.

RiverSoftArt said:

TheRenderer said:

Lovely product. I'm glad I came here to the forums else I would have NEVER figured out how to solve all the morph distortion that was happening when converting characters. The material suits are excellent as well! I am wondering however... has anyone else run into an issue where they are unable to apply any G8 materials or shaders to the G8 Eyelash Suit?  I've been tinkering with it for about half an hour now on a few converted characters and haven't really been able to make much progress.

It's truthfully not THAT big of a deal as I can just hide the Eyelash suit and apply a G9 eyebrow product to the character but I was wondering if anyone had found a viable solution for this.

Select the RSSY Genesis 8 Eyelash Suit.  Go to the Surfaces pane.  Select the RSSY Genesis 8 Eyelash Suit surface.  Double-click on the preset that is for G8 Eyelashes.

p.s. I am glad you came to the forum and didn't give up.  I am happy you got it working for you.

That was what I tried originally, 'Surfaces' pane and all.The eyelash suit isn't registering any sort of change even when I select the G8 Eyelash preset. The other suits are having no problem but for whatever reason.... that one aint working. I can manually apply some materials using the cutout opacity selection and all that jazz so this is really just a minor inconvenience but I figured you should be aware of it...

jepegraphics said:

necroscension said:

Material Suits updates are out! It appears that the suits with anatomical elements are working with shape dials/presets! Thanks sickleyield!

At least DAZ Studio doesn't crash anymore whe loading the Material Suit, that's a big step forward!

Now only someone who can explain how to get the shaping morphs of the MASC Gens to show up - any suggestions? The basic shape morphs in the genitals are there, but not the various expansions from other merchants.

They can't directly. Even aside the shortcoming of being unable to get HD morphs into conformers, there wasn't a way to get any morphs from one genital set to another without just using transfer utility again, because the gens suit has to conform to the bodysuit (not the other set of gens). If you want to try a workaround, you can mark morphs as favorite on thr gens you want to copy from and use the "morphs" function of Transfer Utility. I understand if that's a deal breaker, but it was a problem I couldn't solve. The original morphs are there because I recreated them all one by one.

barbult said:

Your Christian conversion mix looks very good. I think I'll try a Christian conversion next. Here is my manual Ollie conversion to G9. I also converted his small nose morph. He also mixes well with other G9 men, but the result is not as handsome as your guy, considering that he is Ollie, after all.

Looking good! Ollie is one of my favorites and probably the second character I transferred. LOL 

RiverSoftArt said:

Jeremion said:

RiverSoftArt said:

Jeremion said:

I only tried to convert Michael 8.1, and so far I don't get it fine as G9. Issues on the eyes (not well placed, nor good size and when trying to move them with powerpose, they just go out of the head xD) and the morph around the eyes is not OK. So, I don't know really what to do to get better result. I will try again.

 

Michael should not be a problem at all.  You do not need the eye dialog.  It sounds like a morph was created on the eyes that are moving them.  Check in \data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 9\Genesis 9 Eyes\Morphs to see if there is an eye morph that could be engaging that messes things up (a quick way is just to rename this directory so none of the eye morphs engage.  Look for this folder under the first directory listed in the Daz Studio Formats section of the Content Directory Manager (which is usually My Library

Hello,

Yeah I found that weird too... look. I renamed the "morphs" directory. And retested. Enclosed the screen and below the logs.
One strange thing : If I load Michael 8.1, everything is fine.

What do you mean if you LOAD M8.1?  Do you mean just LOAD M8.1 into the same scene or CONVERT M8.1?

I see in the log that the converter script copy "BaboonG8M-IrisSize" for any reason? (it is one of the character I tried to convert as well, but I don't have it anymore, I deleted it). Is there a place the script keep its previous work? For sure, BaboonG8M is not used on the original Michael 8.1 lol. 

 

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Executing Script

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Selecting Preset: D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Converting character from D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf to D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 9/Characters/Converted/Michael 8.1.duf

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Enabling morphs for asset, D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf

10:03:36 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Turbo Loader: 8 morphs were searched for

0 Enabled (0 failed to enable)

0 Disabled (0 failed to disable)

8 unchanged

0 skipped

in 221 msecs

 

Note: Multiple files may exist for a morph if you use Daz Connect

10:04:25 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Michael 8.1 is of type Actor/Character

10:04:43 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Converting Morphs: BaboonG8M-IrisSize,FHMMichael8_1,FBMMichael8_1,CTRLMichael8_1,PHMMichael8_1HDIris

10:15:41 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Copy Icons from D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf to D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 9/Characters/Converted/Michael 8.1 Genesis 9.duf

10:15:41 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Copy Categories from D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf to D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 9/Characters/Converted/Michael 8.1 Genesis 9.duf

10:15:41 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Execution Complete.

The script works by loading the character and seeing what morphs are being used.  If you load M8.1 into a new scene, look for BaboonG8M-IrisSize, I am sure you will find it (it may be a hidden property though).

Hello,

Yeah, I meant I tried to load Michael 8.1 : no baboon. See the screenshots. I guess Baboon is the issue with the conversion but I dont know why in fact, it's just something which comes from I don't know where. Is that possible the script used some files in a temporary directory somwhere ?

0) I uninstall Baboon package (for info) through DIM
1) I loaded Michael 8.1, show hidden properties (see enclosed), no baboon.
2) I started a new empty scene and launch a Michael 8.1 conversion : Baboon appears in the log window for any reason (see screen)
3) Once converted, the conversion is wrong, and Baboon appears with iris size in parameters

 

Keiron said:

Here is the Aurore G8 conversion

To correct the corrupt conversion a number of dials are in play

HD body Body causes Distortion

HD head Body causes Distortion

Kayleyss Square Nails causes figure to look like it's unfed for weeks, not sure why this dial is at 100% ?

Morph Dials are set to the values the G8 version had on conversion.  

Hi I think the G8 is OK, I just looked at all the dials for the nails etc for a standard g8 they are set to 0

However when you choose the actor the converted character has morph dials at 100%

Just loaded the original Albany it has Mousso nails at 100%, so the actor is setting the dials differentely, no hd settings in this one

FHM Aurore Assymetry changes face completely not just the assymetry

Assymetry morphs on the head will not ever work I think.  

In the renders below no particular order the original has the RSSY eyelashes in the wrong place, render with RSSY eyelashes removed and render with eyes replaces with g9 ones

You can't change the eye colour with these RSSY 8 eye's, but you can if you replace them with the g9 eyes or reloading the RSSY eys 8 or 8.1 eyes

To change the eye color, select the RSSY Genesis 8 Eye Suit and load the G8 eyes preset to change

Hi I had filter by contex on, so it was selecting g9 eyes. In the surface tab, I entered just her name in the search field all is good, otherwise you get everything

Unable to use the make up options

To use makeup, select the RSSY Genesis 8 Female Suit and load the G8 makeup preset to change.

Hi Thank you, I had filter by contex on, so it was selecting g9. In the surface tab, I entered just her name in the search field all is good

Breast up and down controls set to 80% reset to 100 to correct

Not sure what you mean here, but morphs that only affect a small portion of the body will also affect the body as a whole

When I loaded both the converted actor and the original, the breasts looked different, so I checked the settings and found that everything looked OK

From the parameters tab, I looked at the parameters breast up and down and found it was set to min -80% I reset this to -100% then they looked the same

Keep up the good work

Catherine3678ab said:

If one has recently purchased FaceGen [before the upgrade's release], see the note on their website - can get a free upgrade.

My purchase was a long time ago, so no, not shelling out full price for G9 but am happy to see it being supported.

I've tried this as per an email reveived from SI. Sent them my Daz receipt and got a free upgrade to FaceGen 4. Nice!

I was originally hesitant with FaceGen because I'd used it a long time in the past, but I decided to give it a go when Daz had it on a recent discount. Added in 8 tokens and got it for a very nice price. Wasn't sure if SI would honour their upgrade offer, so was a happy camper when they did.

I've tried comparisons of 8.1 and 9 using the same source image/face generation. Straight to G9 vs using an 8.1 clone to G9 works better and, to me, looks better too. It fixes some of the issues that clones inherently have, particularly around the eyes. The eyes on the FaceGen G9 imports can clip ever so slightly at extreme (unnatural) rotations, but it's night and day versus using clones (and clone issues were nothing to do with FaceGen anyway - it's just how they work on any morph transfer). Anyway, happy to have excluded a few steps of FaceGen to G9 and I appear to be getting better likenesses than I was previously. If you've a qualifying discount but from a Daz Store purchase, looks like SI will be happy to transfer that over too. Realise I'm in the fortunate position of having bought FaceGen only a few weeks ago, but can't complain at that!

Jeremion said:

RiverSoftArt said:

Jeremion said:

I only tried to convert Michael 8.1, and so far I don't get it fine as G9. Issues on the eyes (not well placed, nor good size and when trying to move them with powerpose, they just go out of the head xD) and the morph around the eyes is not OK. So, I don't know really what to do to get better result. I will try again.

 

Michael should not be a problem at all.  You do not need the eye dialog.  It sounds like a morph was created on the eyes that are moving them.  Check in \data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 9\Genesis 9 Eyes\Morphs to see if there is an eye morph that could be engaging that messes things up (a quick way is just to rename this directory so none of the eye morphs engage.  Look for this folder under the first directory listed in the Daz Studio Formats section of the Content Directory Manager (which is usually My Library

Hello,

Yeah I found that weird too... look. I renamed the "morphs" directory. And retested. Enclosed the screen and below the logs.
One strange thing : If I load Michael 8.1, everything is fine.

What do you mean if you LOAD M8.1?  Do you mean just LOAD M8.1 into the same scene or CONVERT M8.1?

I see in the log that the converter script copy "BaboonG8M-IrisSize" for any reason? (it is one of the character I tried to convert as well, but I don't have it anymore, I deleted it). Is there a place the script keep its previous work? For sure, BaboonG8M is not used on the original Michael 8.1 lol. 

 

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Executing Script

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Selecting Preset: D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Converting character from D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf to D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 9/Characters/Converted/Michael 8.1.duf

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Enabling morphs for asset, D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf

10:03:36 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Turbo Loader: 8 morphs were searched for

0 Enabled (0 failed to enable)

0 Disabled (0 failed to disable)

8 unchanged

0 skipped

in 221 msecs

 

Note: Multiple files may exist for a morph if you use Daz Connect

10:04:25 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Michael 8.1 is of type Actor/Character

10:04:43 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Converting Morphs: BaboonG8M-IrisSize,FHMMichael8_1,FBMMichael8_1,CTRLMichael8_1,PHMMichael8_1HDIris

10:15:41 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Copy Icons from D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf to D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 9/Characters/Converted/Michael 8.1 Genesis 9.duf

10:15:41 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Copy Categories from D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf to D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 9/Characters/Converted/Michael 8.1 Genesis 9.duf

10:15:41 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Execution Complete.

The script works by loading the character and seeing what morphs are being used.  If you load M8.1 into a new scene, look for BaboonG8M-IrisSize, I am sure you will find it (it may be a hidden property though).

Keiron said:

Here is the Aurore G8 conversion

To correct the corrupt conversion a number of dials are in play

HD body Body causes Distortion

HD head Body causes Distortion

Kayleyss Square Nails causes figure to look like it's unfed for weeks, not sure why this dial is at 100% ?

Morph Dials are set to the values the G8 version had on conversion.  

FHM Aurore Assymetry changes face completely not just the assymetry

Assymetry morphs on the head will not ever work I think.  

In the renders below no particular order the original has the RSSY eyelashes in the wrong place, render with RSSY eyelashes removed and render with eyes replaces with g9 ones

You can't change the eye colour with these RSSY 8 eye's, but you can if you replace them with the g9 eyes or reloading the RSSY eys 8 or 8.1 eyes

To change the eye color, select the RSSY Genesis 8 Eye Suit and load the G8 eyes preset to change.

Unable to use the make up options

To use makeup, select the RSSY Genesis 8 Female Suit and load the G8 makeup preset to change.

Breast up and down controls set to 80% reset to 100 to correct

Not sure what you mean here, but morphs that only affect a small portion of the body will also affect the body as a whole

Good attempt, keep up the good work

 

TheRenderer said:

Lovely product. I'm glad I came here to the forums else I would have NEVER figured out how to solve all the morph distortion that was happening when converting characters. The material suits are excellent as well! I am wondering however... has anyone else run into an issue where they are unable to apply any G8 materials or shaders to the G8 Eyelash Suit?  I've been tinkering with it for about half an hour now on a few converted characters and haven't really been able to make much progress.

It's truthfully not THAT big of a deal as I can just hide the Eyelash suit and apply a G9 eyebrow product to the character but I was wondering if anyone had found a viable solution for this.

Select the RSSY Genesis 8 Eyelash Suit.  Go to the Surfaces pane.  Select the RSSY Genesis 8 Eyelash Suit surface.  Double-click on the preset that is for G8 Eyelashes.

p.s. I am glad you came to the forum and didn't give up.  I am happy you got it working for you.

Eboshijaana said:

RiverSoftArt said:

Eboshijaana said:

Naturally, I had to experiment on the update.

It is not AS broken as pre-update, but not quite the transfer utility level.

I also exposed a few TU settings in the data/RiverSoft Art/Common/RSG8G9CharacterConversionConstants.dsa file.  You could try setting some of those.

Okay, I've spent a few hours testing the converter with the file edited. I tried using the EXACT same settings between the converter and TU.
Thoughts;
1. Regardless of settings, the Converter changes the body of g9 while TU leaves it alone.
2. Could the 'reverse source shape from target' setting affect the above?
I will try to use my self-made clone for the converter, just to see if it would affect things.

The ADJUST_TARGET_BASE constant is the one that sets the 'reverse source shape from target' 

necroscension said:

RiverSoftArt said:

Keiron said:

Hi RiversoftArt

I've just downloaded a recent update

I have just converted Albany

I found the nails morphs caused an issue with a thin body, so I dialed out the one that caused the issue may be all these dials could be zeroed by default

If you want to have them removed by default, edit the data/RiverSoft Art/Common/RSG8G9CharacterConversionConstants.dsa file (in a text editor), the variable

var MORPH_FILTERS           = [
  'mouthrealism',
  'eyelash',
  'height',
  'navel'
];

specifies the names of morphs to not convert.

Ah, so we can use this to skip converting HD morphs on characters where HD is part of the preset. (Or save the character without the HD morphs as another character preset...)

Or any morph used more than once that causes problems.

necroscension said:

With the converter, I've notice most of the models I have do not use FBM/FHM in their morph naming but use Head or Body instead. I have attempted to resave the name of the morphs to start with FHM/FBM, but still have issues because sometimes I wind up having doubled morphs. Was it ever considered to see if the morph name includes Head or Body as an OR statement?

You must not buy most of your characters from Daz.   This is a naming convention that has been in place for years.

Ok, I will make an update to check if the morph name starts with FHM/Head or FBM/Body.

RiverSoftArt said:

Jeremion said:

I only tried to convert Michael 8.1, and so far I don't get it fine as G9. Issues on the eyes (not well placed, nor good size and when trying to move them with powerpose, they just go out of the head xD) and the morph around the eyes is not OK. So, I don't know really what to do to get better result. I will try again.

 

Michael should not be a problem at all.  You do not need the eye dialog.  It sounds like a morph was created on the eyes that are moving them.  Check in \data\DAZ 3D\Genesis 9\Genesis 9 Eyes\Morphs to see if there is an eye morph that could be engaging that messes things up (a quick way is just to rename this directory so none of the eye morphs engage.  Look for this folder under the first directory listed in the Daz Studio Formats section of the Content Directory Manager (which is usually My Library

Hello,

Yeah I found that weird too... look. I renamed the "morphs" directory. And retested. Enclosed the screen and below the logs.
One strange thing : If I load Michael 8.1, everything is fine.
I see in the log that the converter script copy "BaboonG8M-IrisSize" for any reason? (it is one of the character I tried to convert as well, but I don't have it anymore, I deleted it). Is there a place the script keep its previous work? For sure, BaboonG8M is not used on the original Michael 8.1 lol. 

 

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Executing Script

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Selecting Preset: D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Converting character from D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf to D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 9/Characters/Converted/Michael 8.1.duf

10:03:35 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Enabling morphs for asset, D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf

10:03:36 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Turbo Loader: 8 morphs were searched for

0 Enabled (0 failed to enable)

0 Disabled (0 failed to disable)

8 unchanged

0 skipped

in 221 msecs

 

Note: Multiple files may exist for a morph if you use Daz Connect

10:04:25 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Michael 8.1 is of type Actor/Character

10:04:43 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Converting Morphs: BaboonG8M-IrisSize,FHMMichael8_1,FBMMichael8_1,CTRLMichael8_1,PHMMichael8_1HDIris

10:15:41 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Copy Icons from D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf to D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 9/Characters/Converted/Michael 8.1 Genesis 9.duf

10:15:41 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Copy Categories from D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 8 Male/Characters/Michael 8.1.duf to D:/Daz3D/People/Genesis 9/Characters/Converted/Michael 8.1 Genesis 9.duf

10:15:41 GMT+0200 (Paris, Madrid (heure d’été)): Execution Complete.

Ahm, no. There is absolutely no option for Reverse Deformation.
I know for a fact, there used to be one looking exactly like the morph loader dialog, but it has changed for areason I don't understand.
I am on DAZ studio 4.21.0.5 and Hexagon 2.5.2

It's still in same place. Use all the time. When send back to DAZ, when you name your new morph, and attenuate or whatevs, the reverse deformation is there.

You may have to click once on morph name  to open the submenu though.

Your Christian conversion mix looks very good. I think I'll try a Christian conversion next. Here is my manual Ollie conversion to G9. I also converted his small nose morph. He also mixes well with other G9 men, but the result is not as handsome as your guy, considering that he is Ollie, after all.