Each of the bundled packs state what they are an add-on for:  NCS Runner, NCS Mess Hall, Sci-Fi Tech Gadgets, etc...  And the sale page clearly shows the base items and the Star Trek add-on.  This is more an issue of paying attention than poor advertising.

Hello All,

This is mainly a vent or a rant because this isn't the first time this happened to me, but it is a poor selling tactic.  The first time it happened was with a artist selling an item, but this time this is a Daz product.

Okay, so I purchased item #93799, which is the Sci-Fi Fan Art Add-On Bundle.  Being a huge fan of Star Trek, I figured this was a must have.  So I purchased it.  Of course, I went through everything starting with the character add-ons, and those were fine.  However, when I got to the ship it wouldn't properly load.  It kept saying that some items were missing.  So naturally I think there is something wrong with the package.  So I was ready to write to technical support about it, but I tried the other ship based packages today and they all had errors saying items are missing.   I said to myself that can't be because why would they release a bundle with so many issues.

So after a bit more digging and pulling up the individual items I look in the requirements section, and each one of the ship based items is just an Add on.  So I am here wide eyed about this because if you click on the bundle, in the requirements section it says:  Genesis 9 Starter Essentials:

https://forum.daz3d.com/sci-fi-fan-art-bundle

Now if you go down to the decription.  NO WHERE does is it say that it requires the individual NCS items.

Not for nothing, when you release an item like this and that it doesn't include a required item for it to work, SAY SO! 

Yeah, now, I know that one might argue that the package says ADD-ON, but not to what.   The skins and face shapes work fine given that it does tell you that it is for Genesis 9 and that you need the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials.  BUT, there is NO mention of the required ship items.  I only found out that you need each individual NCS package by clicking on the individual items and reading it's requirements.

Not for nothing, but that is a poor way to advertise a product and I am NOT happy about it, especially given the cost of the product.

There should be a paragraph right at the beginning, in addition to what is needed under "requirements", stating that the NCS product line is needed for ship add-ons to work.

Needless to say, I am quite disappointed.   So yeah, I am going to return the package.

Just my 2 cents.

I got the Sophia 9 bundle because A) I had a bunch of expiring tokens, B) I personally need more sci-fi stuff in general and C) I like the overall look of Sophia and what the bundle offers.

However, I agree that the recent releases are looking mostly the same.  It's very similar to the Kara 9 Bundle (which was pretty cool).  And when you add that plus the recent Star Trek bundles, it's a bit too much Sci-Fi in a short period.  If another comes along like this, I might just get the character and that's it.  I would have loved a Lady Luck bundle with Celtic fantasy assets and magical effects.  I'd love for it to include:

Character-A dainty, Celtic look to rival Victoria (way too many characters look the same, too).  Hair-A long flowing D-force with an addon that include magical effects.  Makeup-Colorful makeup and also a golden skin variant of the character(just like Snow Queen).  Outfits-Something trickster or magician themed.  Unicorn-an addon to the Daz horse 3 with pegasus wings.  Lucky special effects and magic weapons.

It would be strange (eh, maybe not for DAZ) but at least different.  Come on, Daz, it's still March; It's not too late to make this kind of bundle!

Could we get a Jeffrey Combs face shape? He's been like nine different Star Trek characters. Plus for Halloween we could do Herbert West.

Molto bello, ma si vede l'esterno tramite vetrate ^_^;;; 

E' anche un po' piccola per le mie esigenze.

Io ho molti ponti di comando alla Star Trek, col Capitano al centro, e cerco un'astronave in stile compatibile, possibilmente con motore a curvatura.

Comunque, questa è veramente bellissima, e ho già il bundle.

^_^

Secondo me c'è una inesattezza nella pagina di Wikipedia italliana.

Nella Wikipedia giapponese c'è scritto 堀井雄二と鳥山明がテレビアニメ（勇者アベル伝説）を担当し、新人の稲田浩司とライターだった三条陸が漫画担当に起用された。Cioè che Toriyama ha lavorato all'anime, non al manga.

A parte questo, mi interesserebbe trovare qualche astronave grande almeno come l'Enterprise, con uno stile alla Star Trek. In particolare, dal ponte di comando non si dovrebbe vedere all'esterno tramite vetrate.

Guarderò al più presto su ShareCG, grazie ^_^

Tiziano said:

Kainjy said:

Toriyama oltre a Dragon Ball aveva fatto anche Dr Slump e Arale, DAI la grande avventura e collaborava nel mondo dei videogiochi (Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger e a breve usciva Sandland).

 

Non credo che Toriyama abbia fatto DAI. E' solo disegnato con uno stile simile.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest:_The_Adventure_of_Dai

Ci ha lavorato, certo non al 100% (come anche Dragon Ball dove veniva aiutato vista la mole di episodi e manga usciti). DAI tra l'altro è un "remake" di Dragon Quest 4, serie dove lui ha sempre fatto il character designer.

L'astronave che stile lo vuoi ? Stile Star-Trek ? Stile Star Wars ? Stile Mass Effect ?

Su ShareCg si possono trovare molte cose interessanti: https://sharecg.com/pf/full_uploads.php?pf_user_name=ptrope&division_id=0&s=dd&pn=1

I have never known Paramount/CBS to go after fan art as long as it's free. Even if it's not family friendly. 

FWIW, they've joined the TeePublic fan art program. You can sell Trek stuff at TeePublic, as long as it follows their guidelines. 

RedBubble also has a fan art program. It used to include Star Trek, but no longer does. Not sure what happened there. The stuff that was submitted when Trek was a "branded partner" is still for sale, but you're no longer allowed to submit new Trek stuff. 

3Diva said:

I love the Star Trek fan art render! That turned out great! 

I haven't watch the later group of Star Wars movies, but based on my memories of the first group, Ep. 4 - 6, I found in my runtime some options that may either give clothing for background characters (non-Jedi) or possibilities for Jedi robes with work. Unfortunately, most of my best ones were in the M3/M4 clothing and I am not listing them. Many were for females, but could work on males.

From Rendo by Lully, dForce - Divergence for G8F

The PA Sshodan's store - https://www.daz3d.com/sshodan

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-legend-outfit-for-genesis-9 and https://www.daz3d.com/legend-outfit-texture-add-on

https://www.daz3d.com/eastern-fantasy-warrior-outfit-for-genesis-8-males and https://www.daz3d.com/eastern-fantasy-warrior-outfit-textures (the main outfit caused me to recall Star Wars when I first saw it. The textures are a bit much.)

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-huntress-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hooded-outfit-for-genesis-8-females and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hooded-outfit-textures

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-dystopian-future-outfit-for-genesis-8-females and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-dystopian-future-outfit-textures

https://www.daz3d.com/sky-jumper-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s (it has textures but they are way too brightly colored for Star Wars.)

https://www.daz3d.com/street-sweeper--cyber-samurai-for-genesis-8-male (Not sure if you could use bits and pieces of this outfit and with shaders tone it down.)

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-dawn-warrior-outfit-for-genesis-8-males and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-dawn-warrior-outfit-textures (not as flowy as you are looking for, but if matched up with a cloak from Sshodan or another PA...?)

There are the laser sword thingies in Daz's store, so I am sure you have them but this is the latest I have: https://www.daz3d.com/laser-swords-and-poses-2-for-genesis-3-and-8

Unfortunately, flowing outfits for the guys seem to be scarce. I thought I had more Asian style robes, but couldn't track them down except one that is wrong for your purpose and exploded everytime I tried to use it. Maybe other folks on the forum knows of good options here or on Rendo that will work as Jedi robes.

I do know that good shader packs have been coming out that would fix any fabric issues even if the colors are wrong.

Mary

Gordig said:

MetalSunde94 said:

So hope to "again" see some Star Wars alien head morphs for G9!

Star Wars head morphs would be quite a bit more involved than Star Trek, given that Star Trek aliens are just humans with some stuff glued to their face.

Would be perfect for G9's HD capabilities then!

murgatroyd314 said:

MetalSunde94 said:

But back to the G9 Jedi Outfits, it could be originally a Samurai suit with Jedi/sith add-on for colors... as the jedi outfit were based on ninja/samurai outfits (don't quote me on that, no sure but they are close!)

The Jedi robes in the prequels were based on Obi-Wan Kenobi's outfit in the original movie, which was perfectly normal attire for a desert hermit. 

I know the "origin" of the Jedi outfit, but still want a good dForce enable Jedi clothing :D
Just hope Daz will do some more Star Wars inspired Add-ons!

Been using the Star Wars Battlefront 2 Obi-Wan outfit, but too much work to get the dforce to work without getting gaps and so on!

I love the Star Trek fan art render! That turned out great! 

Griffin Avid said:

I think right now, you feel assets are leading the way in your book- like "The assets are the star of your e-book". And so, you want to give credit where it's due. Lots of early creators feel deep appreciation, gratitude and even privilege for being able to use such stellar items to bring your vision to life.

I mean, you just want to THANK THE VENDORS!!!!

Eventually though, that wears off as YOU put the creative effort in- and make the assets come to life in the context of YOUR story. What you did was more important than what assets you used.

Sure the [insert vendor] made an awesome looking character, but it’s your story that breathes life into the character and gives them personality. When the amount of work you put into your story outshines the Daz props, you’ll probably feel less of a need to thank the vendors or Daz.

Usually, it goes the other way around. The Vendor should be saying “As seen in…” or Daz should be bragging about what company or project uses Daz Assets.

Also, if your book is for READERS, they should not care what you used to make the book. They either like it or they don’t. OTHER CREATORS might be interested – because they want to do (or use similar stuffs) to create a similar thing. 

On a final note, I think crediting TOOLS diminishes the link between the Creator and the End Work. Lots of people can buy those same assets, but only you can author in that e-book that put them to such fine use.

I agree. I paid a 3D artist to make a 3D character from my 2D product. I feel no obligaton to credit that person. Nor should you credit stock photos or other art you buy a license for.As a professional writer, you should credit the people who actually visited your project and offered their hand in making the final product available to the public. The people you should identify are co-authors and illustrators who designed your character from scratch. If you did not hire such you should not credit such. If you hired a book designer to design your book layout, credit that peron. If you use a licensed software or software product . . . refrain.

I think right now, you feel assets are leading the way in your book- like "The assets are the star of your e-book". And so, you want to give credit where it's due. Lots of early creators feel deep appreciation, gratitude and even privilege for being able to use such stellar items to bring your vision to life.

I mean, you just want to THANK THE VENDORS!!!!

Eventually though, that wears off as YOU put the creative effort in- and make the assets come to life in the context of YOUR story. What you did was more important than what assets you used.

Sure the [insert vendor] made an awesome looking character, but it’s your story that breathes life into the character and gives them personality. When the amount of work you put into your story outshines the Daz props, you’ll probably feel less of a need to thank the vendors or Daz.

Usually, it goes the other way around. The Vendor should be saying “As seen in…” or Daz should be bragging about what company or project uses Daz Assets.

Also, if your book is for READERS, they should not care what you used to make the book. They either like it or they don’t. OTHER CREATORS might be interested – because they want to do (or use similar stuffs) to create a similar thing. 

On a final note, I think crediting TOOLS diminishes the link between the Creator and the End Work. Lots of people can buy those same assets, but only you can author in that e-book that put them to such fine use.

Wonderland said:

britscriptwriter said:

no nose said:

So can someone explain to me how stuff like the Star Trek products that were released today aren't a huge copyright concern? It's not just clearly inspired, I'm pretty sure the Nova and Next Generation are practically the same. Did Daz strike some kind of deal with these companies?

As far I understand it, fans can make fan art / fan fiction so long as we don't charge any money for whatever we make. However I wouldn't even get to that stage with these products. What makes me nervous is the fact that they have clearly replicated things from these movies/shows and are charging money for the products, all of which appear to be unofficial. It's a bit too much of a grey area for me, but I can imagine a time in the future where they might be asked to remove it all, so for me personally, I'll be staying away from them. Obvs I could be completely wrong but that's my perspective on it as a risk averse kinda fella :)

The irony is that if you go to Comic-Con (or Wondercon or any comic convention) it's totally fine to sell all kinds of fan art and it's not only allowed but it's expected and encouraged. I've had fan art in the Comic-Con official catalog, sold in the official art show and sold at a booth and almost every artist and creator sells fan art there. Never was there a legal issue. 

Whose trademark would we be violating? DAZ's or ViacomCBS, NBC Universal, and Disney's? I'm not going to purchase the fan art stuff sold here to make sure I don't break the Daz TOS but I've downloaded free fan outfits and morphs in the past and created my own textures for existing outfits and I have no qualms about it. If you search the internet, there are many fan outfits available for free for DAZ characters. So is DAZ paying ViacomCBS, NBCUniversal and Disney for the rights to use their IP? And if so, why isn't it legal for us to use it commercially? They are making more of a profit off of it than any of us artists would. 

Personally I'm more concerned about products that depict real people who can be posed in uncompromising positions. Now people are doing that with AI, and DAZ renders still do look pretty fake but I care more about Katee Sakhoff's wellbeing than ViacomCBS, NBCUniversal and Disney's. I just hope the Daz artists only use characters based on real people in good taste.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. By 'they' I meant Daz, not us regular folk (e.g. ...the fact that the Daz store products have clearly replicated these things...). So my concern was about Daz eventually being asked to stop selling these (apparently) unofficial products, and potentially ruining the validity of anything we created with said products. And that's why I will steer clear of the products.

Hylas said:

Wonderland said:

Personally I'm more concerned about products that depict real people who can be posed in uncompromising positions. Now people are doing that with AI, and DAZ renders still do look pretty fake but I care more about Katee Sakhoff's wellbeing than ViacomCBS, NBCUniversal and Disney's.

 

Yes! Yes.

Perhaps I'm a hypocrite, I have bought and used celebrity likenesses myself (although I've been moving away from that lately). But I do find it weird how quite a few users are so concerned about the rights of corporations, but the rights of the individual doesn't seem to matter very much. Priorities, please.

I rarely know the celebs referred to when someone identifies them as the source for a new character, I just don't watch TV or movies since the 90s. But, I still respect the PA's characters and treat them with respect.

The Star Trek items I bought and have coded each one in my Smart Content with a sub-category 'Star Trek Caution' and plan to use for one use only.

Wonderland said:

britscriptwriter said:

no nose said:

So can someone explain to me how stuff like the Star Trek products that were released today aren't a huge copyright concern? It's not just clearly inspired, I'm pretty sure the Nova and Next Generation are practically the same. Did Daz strike some kind of deal with these companies?

As far I understand it, fans can make fan art / fan fiction so long as we don't charge any money for whatever we make. However I wouldn't even get to that stage with these products. What makes me nervous is the fact that they have clearly replicated things from these movies/shows and are charging money for the products, all of which appear to be unofficial. It's a bit too much of a grey area for me, but I can imagine a time in the future where they might be asked to remove it all, so for me personally, I'll be staying away from them. Obvs I could be completely wrong but that's my perspective on it as a risk averse kinda fella :)

The irony is that if you go to Comic-Con (or Wondercon or any comic convention) it's totally fine to sell all kinds of fan art and it's not only allowed but it's expected and encouraged. I've had fan art in the Comic-Con official catalog, sold in the official art show and sold at a booth and almost every artist and creator sells fan art there. Never was there a legal issue. 

Whose trademark would we be violating? DAZ's or ViacomCBS, NBC Universal, and Disney's? I'm not going to purchase the fan art stuff sold here to make sure I don't break the Daz TOS but I've downloaded free fan outfits and morphs in the past and created my own textures for existing outfits and I have no qualms about it. If you search the internet, there are many fan outfits available for free for DAZ characters. So is DAZ paying ViacomCBS, NBCUniversal and Disney for the rights to use their IP? And if so, why isn't it legal for us to use it commercially? They are making more of a profit off of it than any of us artists would. 

Personally I'm more concerned about products that depict real people who can be posed in uncompromising positions. Now people are doing that with AI, and DAZ renders still do look pretty fake but I care more about Katee Sakhoff's wellbeing than ViacomCBS, NBCUniversal and Disney's. I just hope the Daz artists only use characters based on real people in good taste.

I think that's a very good point you're making here - people truly often seem to forget that celebs are real persons, too, and can be hurt by what is done with their digital likenesses. But of course, as you also note, that train has already left the station for all of us with AI and deep fakes, I fear. 
Concerning the copyrights, I feel the posters above are maybe not so much worried about the corporations' well-being but the artists and hobbyists using these assets, and then getting sued.

Well, that's a surprise!  Star Trek on the DAZ sale page, now I've seen everything.  Can only hope we see more products come out!

britscriptwriter said:

no nose said:

So can someone explain to me how stuff like the Star Trek products that were released today aren't a huge copyright concern? It's not just clearly inspired, I'm pretty sure the Nova and Next Generation are practically the same. Did Daz strike some kind of deal with these companies?

As far I understand it, fans can make fan art / fan fiction so long as we don't charge any money for whatever we make. However I wouldn't even get to that stage with these products. What makes me nervous is the fact that they have clearly replicated things from these movies/shows and are charging money for the products, all of which appear to be unofficial. It's a bit too much of a grey area for me, but I can imagine a time in the future where they might be asked to remove it all, so for me personally, I'll be staying away from them. Obvs I could be completely wrong but that's my perspective on it as a risk averse kinda fella :)

The irony is that if you go to Comic-Con (or Wondercon or any comic convention) it's totally fine to sell all kinds of fan art and it's not only allowed but it's expected and encouraged. I've had fan art in the Comic-Con official catalog, sold in the official art show and sold at a booth and almost every artist and creator sells fan art there. Never was there a legal issue. 

Whose trademark would we be violating? DAZ's or ViacomCBS, NBC Universal, and Disney's? I'm not going to purchase the fan art stuff sold here to make sure I don't break the Daz TOS but I've downloaded free fan outfits and morphs in the past and created my own textures for existing outfits and I have no qualms about it. If you search the internet, there are many fan outfits available for free for DAZ characters. So is DAZ paying ViacomCBS, NBCUniversal and Disney for the rights to use their IP? And if so, why isn't it legal for us to use it commercially? They are making more of a profit off of it than any of us artists would. 

Personally I'm more concerned about products that depict real people who can be posed in uncompromising positions. Now people are doing that with AI, and DAZ renders still do look pretty fake but I care more about Katee Sakhoff's wellbeing than ViacomCBS, NBCUniversal and Disney's. I just hope the Daz artists only use characters based on real people in good taste.