I'm in the same boat that others are- I have so many characters I could render one a day and five years from now, possibly finish. So I now pick up characters sporadically, and focus on sets to PUT the characters in. I do pick up new characters as an occasional treat, but there's so many Pro Bundles I haven't even explored yet (you know, when they go down to $34 - $43 on Day One, hard to resist) that I won't buy a lot of Genesis 9 for awhile. I'll try it, sure, because their opening volley of prices is always good, but with patience, those items can be picked up much cheaper later.

The exception will be the Pro Bundles, because when you buy those, you get more discounts on the next round, and $40ish for all that content is a no-brainer if you have the funds at the time. So getting the head/body morphs, Victoria 9 etc is a yes, a lot of characters, no, unless deeply discounted.

Ah, good. The iRay Converter for Generation 4 I've already purchased. I did use V4/M4 with that product. The second product, the Ultimate iRay Skin Shader is in my wish list. I've also read about the skin shader bundle. Have you tried that.

Now, what about David 3/Michael 3/Victoria 3: Do you have any suggerstions for those characters, particularly if they have the Poser materials on them? (I'm really hoping someone can help me with this.) How about the Anagenesis II, or whatever it's called, which is supposed to work on any prop (or figure, I'd imagine). Does that yield good results?

There would have to be some serious, serious, serious upgrades that put Genesis 9 in a league of its own, if I were to invest. The problem is, I have invested in alot of Generation 4, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and now Genesis 8. Was relucant to invest in Genesis 8 at first. The improvements are narrow between generations.

At minimum, Genesis 9 would need higher quad or poly count, no bunching at the waist when there are stressful bends, hair would have be fully dForce compliant or equivlant, improved rigging overall. Face needs more rigging for expressions and all the parts in the face need to show up in the scene tab and manipulated using dails, not just the expression window thingie.

Backward compaitblity with all previous stuff would be a must.

It would be nice if there was one standard Genesis Male, one standard Genesis Female. Those Genesis models get upgraded and all items like hair and clothes remain compatible. I have purchased Victoria and Michael 4 times and older content just seems to lose value over time making my investment seem less valuable. There needs to be a sense and perception that all content is viable no matter how old it is and can continue to be used with standard upgrades on single Geneis Male and Female.

I realize that Daz markets backward compatibility with Genesis 8, but it doesn't feel like it, because its new as opposed to an upgrade that work seemlless with your invested content.

Should be like how Microsoft does Windows. Once upon a time Micrsoft produced a new operating system to replace the previous. Now they don't do that anymore. They simply upgrade your operating system via a cloud server.

Daz could sell the upgrade, but the model stays the same, just like Windows is the same. You keep the model and you buy the upgrade giving you the new features. The model is still the same model with all the new features that would have made it Genesis 9. And its completely all recognized with all content with no generational identification creating this sense that what is old, is no good.

It could be my imagination maybe I'm confused and its all semantics. What's the difference between Genesis 9 and one model male and one female model getting an upgrade? Right? It seems like semantics. But the perception isn't semantics. You must buy the new and everything else gets older and loses value.

G9. Buy it? Well, probably. At least the basic morph and expression sets. Since you won't get all that far without those. 

Victoria... likely, since she'll be the first actual *character* base. 

*Use* it? That's a lot more iffy. A lot will depend on what, precisely, it brings to the table. 

Even more is going to depend on what unique bases get developed for it. I invested fairly heavily in Genesis 1, because it was really much better designed for what I wanted to do than the gen4 bases ever were. And I picked up most of the bases for G2, largely becasuse of those frapping unique UV sets. But I don't think I actually used more than a couple of the G2 bases for any of the characters that I developed for my own resouce library.

I ended up investing reasonably heavily in G3 because DAZ broke the mould and next to nothing was going to be transferable out of the box. But I never actually *used* it until comparitively recently. I'd been stockpiling because I knew that I was probably going to need to move the character library to a more current set of figures eventually (and G3 *didn't* have those frapping unique UVs)

But I never actually settled down and started *using* them until Ollie was released. Ollie, Floyd, Edie and Mabel all turned out to be something that I had evidently been waiting for, and made it worth the comittment to start retooling my library of continuing characters. Since the UVs transfer, I've also backtracked and started using a much larger number of G3 characters as well.

There's no telling what G9 is going to be bringing in that's unique enough to be worth comitting to a whole new paradigm.

Well, which are you referring to? Would it be The Ultimate Iray Skin Manager? That one says it deals with Generation 4, Genesis, Genesis 2, 3 and 8, but there's no mention of Generation 3 (such as David 3 or Victoria 3). Have you actually used one of these on Generation 4 or Generation 3? If so, did the figure have Poser shaders (materials) on it, or did it have DAZ Studio shaders (3Delight) shaders on it? 

G3F has a V3 option in the Autofit dialog, works quite well with the V3 Mediterranean dress. Select Victoria 3 and Dress/Knee Length in the Autofit dialog, then apply a Smoothing Modifier to the dress, select Generic as Smoothing Type and adjust the number of iterations to your liking. I've used 50 here. Collision Iterations are set to 1, it seems to work and is faster.

The option to fit clothes made for V3 (and other generation 3 shapes) to G3F comes with this product: https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofit-clones-expansion-for-genesis-3-male-s-and-genesis-3-female-s

Oh, thought it was a DS feature (I do have this product I can see).

Victoria 4, Michael 4, Night World Fallen characters.

Michael 4 and Victoria 4 clothing.

G3F has a V3 option in the Autofit dialog, works quite well with the V3 Mediterranean dress. Select Victoria 3 and Dress/Knee Length in the Autofit dialog, then apply a Smoothing Modifier to the dress, select Generic as Smoothing Type and adjust the number of iterations to your liking. I've used 50 here. Collision Iterations are set to 1, it seems to work and is faster.

The option to fit clothes made for V3 (and other generation 3 shapes) to G3F comes with this product: https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofit-clones-expansion-for-genesis-3-male-s-and-genesis-3-female-s

The PA has listed most of the things used but the outfit from promo 6 and 8, which I am interested in. So the outfit might even be from a different store. Any ideas anybody. Thanks!

G3F has a V3 option in the Autofit dialog, works quite well with the V3 Mediterranean dress. Select Victoria 3 and Dresses/Knee Length in the Autofit dialog, then apply a Smoothing Modifier to the dress, select Generic as Smoothing Type and adjust the number of iterations to your liking. I've used 50 here. Collision Iterations are set to 1, it seems to work and is faster.

How about this wacky thought: Genesis 8.5, completely 100% back compatible with G8. You don't even need to autofit, the clothes will just work. And 8.5 has enough small improvements to get people on board. G8 has done very well for Daz, and a lot of that is due to how well most G3 stuff transfers over. Of course they can call it Genesis 9 if they want to.

The only way I would accept a new Genesis 9 that lacks really strong back compat is if G9 is a true generational leap that we have never seen before. I'm talking proper skin stretching, real muscle flexing, a true body hair system built in, ect.

Obviously Daz makes it money off people buying content. But rehashing a new model every two years will eventually catch up to them. Think about new users just discovering Daz Studio. There are so many models available, and the naming scheme is super confusing...Hey, doesn't Victoria 4 come after Genesis 3??? Monique 7 for Genesis 3? What about Monique 1-6? Where's Genesis 5-7??? And that is before they open the software and find all these different things inside Daz to use. It can be quite overwhelming. I felt quite overwhelmed when I first started some 2 years ago. I very nearly quit. It is in Daz's own best interest to keep these things as simple as possible.

They're actually going to skip Genesis 9 and go to G10 like Microsoft did with Windows.

Yes, Victoria 9 will be based on G10.

I've been working with G10 for some time, I'll post a preview, though I really shouldn't.

Everything is built on subdivision and G10 has even fewer polygons.

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Hm, so constant bugfix updates of G10 that will force DS to restart in the middle of a render?

Assumig that there are contnued improvements to figure rigging systems, I will buy G9.  I will buy lots of add-ons for G9.  I will buy the Victoria and Michael bundles for G9.  My name is Diomede, and I am a Dazaholic.

I thought you were a Carraraholic

And becoming a Hexagonaholic.  

 

you can get medication for that  

Assumig that there are contnued improvements to figure rigging systems, I will buy G9.  I will buy lots of add-ons for G9.  I will buy the Victoria and Michael bundles for G9.  My name is Diomede, and I am a Dazaholic.

I thought you were a Carraraholic

And becoming a Hexagonaholic.  

Assumig that there are contnued improvements to figure rigging systems, I will buy G9.  I will buy lots of add-ons for G9.  I will buy the Victoria and Michael bundles for G9.  My name is Diomede, and I am a Dazaholic.

I thought you were a Carraraholic

Assumig that there are contnued improvements to figure rigging systems, I will buy G9.  I will buy lots of add-ons for G9.  I will buy the Victoria and Michael bundles for G9.  My name is Diomede, and I am a Dazaholic.

I wasn't sure if this is a poser forum question or a Daz studio forum question. I'm fairly new to DS being a Poser users since the late 90's. I've never really used V4 in DS but decided to see how she works within DS. I have a bunch of third party morph files (.obj) like hands, heads, feet, etc and I'm not sure how to apply these morphs to V4 inside DS. In poser it was a matter of selecting a body part and adding the morph .obj. How is this done inside DS or for any morphs V4 uses?

Thanks!
 

It's the same model in all bundles of the same gender/generation. You don't need to separately buy LaTonya 8's anatomical elements and Victoria 8's anatomical elements, either pro bundle will give the same model, which will work on the other character.
Do bear in mind that not every character will come with textures to use with the anatomical elements though. Daz will not allow it for Teen or Child characters, and some authors prefer not to make them at all.

NVIDIA Iray Engine with GTX 960, occurs in the ViewPort (Draw Settings) and rendering the final image (Render Settings).
A green line appears on the head of the model (Victoria) when I put any hair type on it.
This only happens when I use the Interactive Render Mode, when I use Photoreal disappears, does anyone know what may be happening? Will it be illumination?

Examples

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A lot of thanks.

Victoria 8 loads with the MDL materials by default, that's why there was no change. If you reapply the MDL preset after the RSL it will revert to its load state. There is a browless version of the Iray materials too.