I'd be super happy if they'd stop calling any character Victoria any more. Vicky isn't really Vicky any more. I messed around with Poser in the Vicky 3 days and you really had to have Vicky and Mike to do anything. Now the base G characters are fine for many/most/all uses and the skins/textures/call them what you want built on them are just fine. But Daz keeps pumping out a new Vicky and Mike with every new generation and less and less support comes out for them but if somebody comes along after a hiatus or migrates from Poser they might spend a lot of money on them before finding out they don't need to.

This is I am talking about when I say Daz can be madly confusing for newer users when they release new generations every couple of years. They need some kind of product hierarchy guide that is easily accessible, like you cannot possibly miss it accessible.

Victoria 4 models are actually 4 generations old. Its a little wacky, but Victoria 4 is considered to be generation 4. When Generation 5 came along, somebody got the brilliant idea to call their new creation "Genesis". So Genesis 1 and Victoria 5 are the same generation. Then Genesis 2 follows with Victoria 6, followed by Genesis 3 and Victoria 7. However for the latest generation 8, they brought the names in line with each other, so now you have Genesis 8 and Victoria 8. So there is no Genesis 4-7. Each different generation makes enough changes as to not be able to use each other's morphs out of the box. There are ways around this, as GenX2 can transfer shapes from V4 through Genesis 3 with the proper addons. There is no addon for Genesis 8, but Genesis 3 shapes can be manually transfered to Genesis 8.

 Since V8 technically requires you have Genesis 8 installed, its kind of confusing to me. Will V4 morphs work at all with V8?

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading these posts to help myself as I am newish to Daz3d. Just wanted to say thanks beforehand for any help previously used and issues which may come in the future.

Win 10, Daz3d 4.10

All my Version 8 characters have this issue where the "Hip Bend Forward" makes this protrusion coming out of the lower back/upper glutes. It only shows up when the slider value is passed 50%. It only happens on my version 8 characters and it doesn't happen on any version below it (G3F, G3M...).

I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling G8F characters from Install manager, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. Another weird thing is after installing from DIM, I also have to find Victoria 8 in Smart Content > Figures > right click and install it. Not sure if this is supposed to happen, but that is how I've been doing it.

Any help or insight would be much appreciated.

Edit:

Solved!

Since this issue was hindering me too much, I ended up reinstalling all my assets prior to when the issue started (luckily I made a backup).

Hi!

I have DAZ 4.10 and when i was playing with my V4 character, which i had built for a while and suddenly her eyes were missing the "white parts" ie. the eye balls. The iris is intact, but you can see inside her head from the corner of the eye cuz it's missing the eyeball itself. It also translates into renders. What to do, so i wouldn't have to build her from the ground up again?

 

Thanks,

 

WF

You guys are awesome. Thank you! 

It's Charlene, maybe with a little tweak in the face morph: https://www.daz3d.com/ry-charlene-hd-for-victoria-8

The model in the main promo pic for Claudia Hair is definitely Charlene, but the texture looks different from the promo pics I was refering to in my post. Not sure about the texture but the eyebrows are different. Do you recognize that one as one of your own? Huge fan of your work by the way!

There is a very good chance that anything old enough for Victoria 4 does not have the metadata necessary to automatically categorize it, and in fact I've seen the CMS miss them entirely. You will have to manually assign categories.

Yes, I know how daunting a task that is for someone with a lot of older content, or with a lot of content from other sources like Rendo or freebies. I'm in the same boat. It bothers me a little that I'm probably forgetting about content I already have because of this. So I'm slowly working through my content to ensure it's organized according to categories that make the most sense to me. :)

New biweekly freebies are up: https://www.daz3d.com/free-3d-models. Now includes Stephanie 6 Starter Bundle and Frangipani Bundle for Victoria 4.

Thank you very much DAZ!

 

Edit: All items showed the  -100%  Free discount label when I posted this Aelin...

Great stuff. I got my G8 fitting v4 clothing nicely along with hair. Its when I I go to the hidden clone dial and crank V4 to 1.0 that's when I get distorted fingers when applying poses. DId I do something wrong or should I leave that dial along, and try to just dial the Victoria 8 body shapes instead. Also Daz studio seems to have become more crash prone after this tweak. I saved my clone geometries to a different location (runtime) than the base geometries by the way.

So I guess this is good for :

1. V4 clothing fits to G8

2. V4 hair fits t G8

Not good for :

1. Poses from G8 with clone setting at 1.0

2. Textures for G8 body form V4 body textures

3. Applying v4 character morphs to G8

4. Not good for v4 footwear

I know this may seem a stupid question to many of you, but I'm a newbie, and I've not really understood what are the functions of Victoria 8.

If I buy her, do I get the autoretrocompatibility for all G8F characters? I mean, applying from "Smart Content" a pose/expression/piece of clothing for let's say G1/G2F/G3F/V4 etc. will give me no problems anymore?

The backward compatibility comes from GF8 rather than Victoria 8.  Clothing for the Genesis characters mostly translates well, as do G3F expressions and poses (if you're willing to fiddle with the arms and legs).  Poses and expressions earlier than G3, though, take a few extra products to convert your way through.  Vicky 8 doesn't really improve or hinder that.  The big advantage of V8 is having a different body shape from the base G8F that almost all clothing for Genesis 8 will conform to without trouble, as nearly every content creator will include a body shape morph for Vicky.  Some purchased characters use her as a portion of their body shape as well, and though that can be said of all core characters, Victoria seems to be used more than others.

Hi Scott.

Nice Martini Girl looks good so far.

Beside of posing if I look close on the reference image there is also some subtile expression on her face like how you call it grim look?

Maybe some inner brows down, raise outer brows, brow compression but very low values there. And her mouth needs some more expression like bottom lip down, mouth corners back, also it looks like she raises her right upper lip a bit while the right corner is pulled back more. And finaly the squinted eyes especaly the bottom eyelids are raised at the inside.

You don't have to use expression presets or the default expression sliders, depending on the figure you are using Genesis 3 or 8 you have more or less options in the Power Pose pane for to manipulate individual face rig bones.

In case you don't know see this thread here How to get the new powerpose view for Victoria 8?

With Genesis 3 you can do similar things by switching to the joint editor tool to select the individual bones and manualy transform the face rig bones with the sliders in the Parameters pane.

[Quote] Not seeing the need for all those dots

As I understand it the face rig includes all these litttle bones with a smale infuence radius defined by the weightmap, so that they can get driven in a specific combination and in relation to eachother by the expression pose controler properties. I haven't palyed much with the genesis 8 facerig yet but I have currently inspected its capabilities. And I think its nice to have the control over every face bone individualy without the need to select them in the joint editor first like with genesis 3. With this you could create a completly new expression or finetune some existing expression, maybe if there is something that dosn't look quiet right with a character morph applied to the head.

I've attached a screenshot of what I did to genesis 8 female after playing with the PowerPose tool for about 5 minutes. You see she is super exited about the face template in PowerPose LOL. Seriously expressions can still get quiet scary if you want to, but all bones have their translation and rotation limits. For example I've also raised Eyelid Lower Inner. Also recently I found that some of the Daz original Face Morphs actualy drive some face bones to shape the head.

BTW I tweked a face bone on one side then I hit Shift+Y to get the pose Symmetry and Alt+Click resets the bone as usual with properties.

Thanks, Syrus!

I've been using facial morphs instead of pose presets, bouncing between actor and morphs and then Head mouth, eyes, lips, etc.  It's all manual.  I'll check out power pose--I've been kind of wary about using it, but I figure this is an experiment so I might as well do things in a non-destructive way.

One thing that bothers me is the left side hair.  There are no morphs to make the hair tighter on that side.  Also, there are no morphs to make it much shorter.  I have to make do, I guess.   It's a G8 Character:  Aurorae to start.  Lots of morphing to get it like this.   The key for using this character were the eyebrows.   I've adjusted the face to make it less angular, as well.  The characters nose has pretty much been completely redone.

Scott

The "door buster deals" are good if you want victoria 4 items. If you are a pc+ member and get 5 or more

Its over 90% off most of the items.

It's Charlene, maybe with a little tweak in the face morph: https://www.daz3d.com/ry-charlene-hd-for-victoria-8

Victoria 8 is a shape and materials for Genesis 8 Female, so yes everything remains compatible (though, as with any change to the shape, some poses may need adjustment and if a fitted item doesn't have its own Victoria 8 shape the auto-followed shape may not be ideal).

Also, do have User Account Control turned off entirely?

You asked me that already. I told you UAC is off. 

And have you tried switching it On then?

Yes! I already told you that as well. lol. 

Numerous people have posted, with various questions, to this thread - giving a summary of what has already been covered, rather than simply restating the original topic, would make it easier to avoid recovering previous ground. At the risk of revisting another previous question, have you checked that you can access the DIM folders without needing elevated privileges (try with UAC on so you get an alert if not)?

As far as I am aware nothing absolutely requires DIM - plug-ins and applications haev stand-alone isntallers, content can be installed manually or, in most cases, through Connect.

 

Also, do have User Account Control turned off entirely?

You asked me that already. I told you UAC is off. 

And have you tried switching it On then?

Yes! I already told you that as well. lol. 

Numerous people have posted, with various questions, to this thread - giving a summary of what has already been covered, rather than simply restating the original topic, would make it easier to avoid recovering previous ground. At the risk of revisting another previous question, have you checked that you can access the DIM folders without needing elevated privileges (try with UAC on so you get an alert if not)?

As far as I am aware nothing absolutely requires DIM - plug-ins and applications haev stand-alone isntallers, content can be installed manually or, in most cases, through Connect.

I do have access to all of the folders. If i can do everything through Connect then i'll do it that way. Thanks for that info.

Not everything - plug-ins, and anything else that isntalls "as software" can't be Connect installed and, as I noted above, some plug-ins don't have a stand-alone installer (though I'm not sure which). The fourth-generation Daz Figures (Victoria 4 etc.) need their bases and ExP morph expansions in the same folder, not in separate folders per product as Connect does behind the scenes, though a manual install will work for that.

I know this may seem a stupid question to many of you, but I'm a newbie, and I've not really understood what are the functions of Victoria 8.

If I buy her, do I get the autoretrocompatibility for all G8F characters? I mean, applying from "Smart Content" a pose/expression/piece of clothing for let's say G1/G2F/G3F/V4 etc. will give me no problems anymore?

Thank you, and sorry for the silly question! :D

Hi Scott.

Nice Martini Girl looks good so far.

Beside of posing if I look close on the reference image there is also some subtile expression on her face like how you call it grim look?

Maybe some inner brows down, raise outer brows, brow compression but very low values there. And her mouth needs some more expression like bottom lip down, mouth corners back, also it looks like she raises her right upper lip a bit while the right corner is pulled back more. And finaly the squinted eyes especaly the bottom eyelids are raised at the inside.

You don't have to use expression presets or the default expression sliders, depending on the figure you are using Genesis 3 or 8 you have more or less options in the Power Pose pane for to manipulate individual face rig bones.

In case you don't know see this thread here How to get the new powerpose view for Victoria 8?

With Genesis 3 you can do similar things by switching to the joint editor tool to select the individual bones and manualy transform the face rig bones with the sliders in the Parameters pane.

[Quote] Not seeing the need for all those dots

As I understand it the face rig includes all these litttle bones with a smale infuence radius defined by the weightmap, so that they can get driven in a specific combination and in relation to eachother by the expression pose controler properties. I haven't palyed much with the genesis 8 facerig yet but I have currently inspected its capabilities. And I think its nice to have the control over every face bone individualy without the need to select them in the joint editor first like with genesis 3. With this you could create a completly new expression or finetune some existing expression, maybe if there is something that dosn't look quiet right with a character morph applied to the head.

I've attached a screenshot of what I did to genesis 8 female after playing with the PowerPose tool for about 5 minutes. You see she is super exited about the face template in PowerPose LOL. Seriously expressions can still get quiet scary if you want to, but all bones have their translation and rotation limits. For example I've also raised Eyelid Lower Inner. Also recently I found that some of the Daz original Face Morphs actualy drive some face bones to shape the head.

BTW I tweked a face bone on one side then I hit Shift+Y to get the pose Symmetry and Alt+Click resets the bone as usual with properties.

Which clothing converter? The RSSY Clothing Converters go between specific figures, and Kids 4 isn't supported 9in fact none of the pre-Genesis figures are supported). The older Clothes Converter don't, however, go past Victoria 4, and certainly can't convert to any version of Genesis, so I'm not sure that there's anything that will greatly help with your specific goal.

oo dam so i spent time and money on items never be able to use  as genisise 8 is main form of figeres i whant to use  ,   so no point in buying any converters then  

Which clothing converter? The RSSY Clothing Converters go between specific figures, and Kids 4 isn't supported 9in fact none of the pre-Genesis figures are supported). The older Clothes Converter don't, however, go past Victoria 4, and certainly can't convert to any version of Genesis, so I'm not sure that there's anything that will greatly help with your specific goal.

Hi there! Can anyone point me towards a tutorial for making custom morphs for Gen8 characters (like Victoria 8 for example).
I've been trying to mess around with creating morphs like I do from scratch for the base character, but it always goes wrong somehow. I'm sure there is information about this somewhere but I can't find it :)
thanks in advance for any help