vakhtangabzianidze said:

Thank you for the detailed info crosswind now I know it's not really possible without editing the .dsf file. I just searched my .dsf file but couldn't find any sections with the word "graft", it is possible that some clothing items don't include that section and still do geografting? Hope it's not against the rules, but I upload the .dsf in question, so maybe you check it out as well and let me know if there's anything I can do.

 This is a morph dsf file of Woody... you should've searched for the geometry dsf file of his Outfit which uses Auto-Hide...

This one also has some rib definition as part of the full body morph:

https://www.daz3d.com/hh-belle-for-genesis-9

Thank all for the inputs.

Sid,

I have that last product, and for some reason I could not find the "rib enhancement" morph under "shaping" but did find it under "parameters" which seems unusual. At 300%, it does show some results. I think what you're showing si better, so I'll experimment a little more.

Thanks.

joanna said:

The price for the pro bundle is great even without the tokens, but there's almost nothing in the bundle that I really want. Calypso herself is cute and all, but there's little personality to her (to me, the mermaid head morphs make it even more apparent), especially in comparison to Kiri which I just got (personal preference, I suppose), and the hair and two of the outfits are also not something I'd use. Then there is make-up, expression, and poses.

While the price is awesome, it feels like the "pro bundle" lacks in this case, at least for me. Some other people might be happy with causal outfits and so on.

Same here.

Also, the mermaid morph looks like a mermaid suit than an actual mermaid tail–you can see the outline of her legs and it bends like legs, not like a fish tail. Odd choice.

I got a glimpse at the pack when it first went up and it had images of a nude prepubescent Calypso. Makes me wonder about target audience.

crosswind said:

Masterstroke said:

crosswind said:

Actually that's 'normal' ... especially when you bend figure's Pelvis + Abdomen Lower to an extreme extent (and thighs bend + side-side make it worse...), while default pJCMs cannot well fix the partial morphs, even if you use Bend Control. So ~

- try to avoid bending those joints together with high degrees..
- try not to make your figure too thin. The more it's thinner, the more 'distorted' it's gonna be...
- zev0 developed another product to fix similar issues on the abdomen to some extent, you may take a look at: https://www.daz3d.com/body-mixer-for-genesis-3-and-8-female.. (but it's not all mighty.)
- check if you use some unique partial body morph or character... some will aggravate the issue..
- the best way is to fix them with scultping software, e.g. Blender or ZB... (so far I've not seen a product can 100% fix such an issue 'cause that really depends on your figure's shape and poses...)

As this is exactly true, it's even worse than that. Every character needs its own individual additional set of JCMs, in order to avoid those unwanted distortions.

Yes, as an imperfection, it's worse on G8/G3 while better on G9. There should be some 'combo pJCMs / cbs' on Base figures when multiple joints rotate around that area at the same time...

In general, you will run into problems with unwanted thigh bend distortions, when you inflate your character's volume, or shorten the thighs.
Left To right:
JCMs ON_01, JCMs OFF_01, JCMs OFF_02, JCMs ON_02

waxfin_c9ea3eab69 said:

Bunyip02 said:

that's a terrific effect on this one :)

G9F with Olympia G8F morph and V3 skin

Thanks !!!

I've purchased a number of morph packages for the G9 female, but none seem to accentuate the individual ribs. There are some morphs that reference ribs (rib cage, rib definition, etc.) but none of these seem to make the individual ribs stand out. Does anyone know of such a morph? I made one years ago for V4 but my talents have been lost in that area.

Thanks

barbult said:

Timbales said:

Bunyip02 said:

Timbales said:

I'd be interested in a JCM set for G9 Masculine. This one says it's for Feminine, I assume that it works only on feminine shapes and isn't a universal product.

Works on male as well.

Screenshot does not show them very well, but noticeable changes in the armpit & thighs

Noticeable changes in shoulder blade, also changes to thigh.

Based on the hip with it applied, I'd say it doesn't

It "works" in the sense that the morphs can be dialed in, but whether they look good when dialed in on characters they were not designed for is another thing. In this case, I agree that the hip does not look right with this morph combination.

That is the point of Genesis 9. Pointing out that something made for Genesis 9 is technically compatible for Genesis 9 adds no value.

Inspired by the Zero figure suggestion by Catherine3678ab (paraphrased by me as "zero-ed figures don't have wonky eyelashes"), I started to wonder if the most simple solution could be the mere saving of the HeadShop head morph as a shaping preset? Why don't I just export  (i.e. "save as")  the head morph as a shaping preset and apply that preset on a "healthy" figure (say "Genesis 8 Basic Female"). Initially I unchecked too many options in the "Shaping Preset Save Options" trying to be clever and just focus on the head but that didn't quite work, but by simply including plenty of options that are already there I finally got the HeadShop morph to be a shape preset ready to be unleashed on a "healthy" Genesis 8 Basic Female without (it would seem) the nasty problem of the floating eyelashes. It kind of makes sense in the end, that HeadShop thing is just a head morph, the odd eyelashes are apparently not an  intrinsic part of this shape (or any shape?) [I still remove them before I make the shape preset just to make sure].

It is not the ideal workflow but as you get quite nifty working with DS it is a mere 90 second hold-up/workaround when you are as determined/desperate as I am to get your money's worth out of that fateful HeadShop purchase ....

UPDATE: What I just described: It won't work.  Unfortunately you can't save head shapes this way. Such a shape preset will apply some sliders + parameters which you used after the initial HeadShop morph right before you saved the "shaping preset" (and those were the changes that fooled me into thinking I was applying a bona fide HS head shape). So it's back to the drawing board: how do you save head shapes? 

Catherine3678ab said:

As I recall, working from G8 with no eyebrows, make the HS morph. After polishing and saving it, zero the figure, figure is selected, add a fresh pair of the default eyebrows.

 

Thx Catherine, "Zero figure" also resets the head morph and "Zero shape" and "Zero pose" aren't of much use in the contex of this problem; maybe I don't understand you correctly? You made me think though because zero-ed figures don't have wonky eyelashes. See my next post in this thread.

Bunyip02 said:

Diomede said:

Bunyip02 said:

Stezza said:

great stuff... 

Thanks !!!

Update on updates - got a bit more than 100 figure textures to still convert via Ultimate Unwrap. Got some more Genesis 3 morphs to convert to Genesis 9. Then big eye conversion morphs....

Keep up the great work (and try to persevere through the conversions, ugh.  G9 compatibility should simplify use in Carrara.).

Thanks !!!

Woohoo - 645 skin conversions done - time for some renders !!!

that's a terrific effect on this one :)

G9F with Olympia G8F morph and V3 skin

Elor said:

outrider42 said:

I have seen Genesis 9. Genesis 9 has World Devouring Thighs. Actual promo pic for a G9 product in this store:

It's not the base Genesis 9 figure and in a direct comparison, with Genesis 9 (with Victoria 9 mats) and Genesis 8.1 (with Victoria 8.1 mats), the difference isn't that big (I tried to reduce G8.1's height a bit but I don't know what percentage I needed to remove):

I don't get why the existence of products like Natural Movements or UNBM for Genesis 9 is seen as a defect of G9 when similar products are also available for previous generations too.

outrider42 said:

I've got Victoria 9 converted to G8 and she looks amazing...because her textures are amazing.

I didn't know it was possible and looking for it, I'm mostly finding videos and articles about the reverse process (using previous generations textures on G9).

Is it an easy process and do you have a tutorial / video explaining how to do it ?

The point being G9 is suposed to be BETTER. Why create a version 9 that can at best match what the previous version did? What is the purpose here? And if applying a fairly basic morph results in the image above, that still is not a good thing. We have a lot of examples in the forum of very funky G9 poses. Again...G9 is supposed to be better. Not equal.

Doesn't anybody get this?

I used a mesh wrapping software to match the shapes. From there the software can create new textures. The first thing to do is to use DS Texture Atlas to create a giant texture map. Sadly Texture Atlas does not recognise Iray materials beside color, bump and normal. You can convert the surfaces to DS Default and place the textures in slots that make sense.

You also save your G9 model as OBJ for the software. It is best to match the pose and morph. G9 has a legacy morph that matches G8M or F, so use it, and match the pose. It is best to have the exported models match as close as possible. It makes the resulting textures better. You can do the shapes later.

You need a default G8 for OBJ as well. This one does not need to be base, because you only doing textures. When you start converting morphs you do need base res. So you will have two different saves in this software, one for textures, one for morphs.

From there the software is reasonably easy to use. You'll want to check tutorials on it. There are different ways to do it, too. My way is probably outdated as I have been using the software for a while.

The software is expensive, but it has a 30 trial period. The trial has no limits on its feature set. That is enough time to figure it out and get some sets done. If all you want is a certain model or two, you can get them done in the trial period. If you want more, and if you have the cash, it could be worth buying. I have used it to convert other Genesis generations to G8. Once you figure it out, you can get a lot of mileage out of it, and now that Blacksmith3D Texture Transfer has seemingly closed up, IMO this is the best all round method. You can convert morphs and textures with one tool.

I also use Hexagon to help fix the eyes and teeth. That is its one weakness, the eyeballs and inner mouth can be funky. But that is not unusual for any of these converters.

This sounds pretty complicated, and it sort of is when you set it up. But once you have it set up, you can have save files all set up for the process. You get faster at it. It is possible to do a character in just a few minutes.

The software also opens up all kinds of awesome possibilities. Now that we make a 3D model of things by using something as simple as a phone's camera, you can create a 3D model of yourself or friends and use this to get your head shape on Genesis. How cool is that?

**It completely slipped my mind that Jay has covered this software in Daz's own training video series, and shows a good portion of the workflow. That is a good video to look up.

MelissaGT said:

Ah ok...so even when someone makes their own clothing for Daz, they start out with the transfer utility to rig it and then tweak it...and the more tweaking, the better the result when the figure is posed. Yeah, I'd love to learn how to do that bit. Maybe even fix clothing that I've purchased and can't use because of said spaghetti problem.  

Dude, im in the same boat as you, have you found a soulution. I did "transfer Utility" and it just binded the clothes to the figure, now when i move the figure the clothes deform in unnatural way. If you fixed that, How?

Thank you. 

Richard Haseltine said:

Even with the correct settings, the Transfer Utility is very literal - it just matches the rigging to the base figure (or another template if you choose that option). The further the outfit is from the skin the more refienment the rigging is likely to requier 9or, of course, you could use dForce to simulate and not worry about rigging).

 

Good news, i managed to fix "Transfer Utility" misplacing the garment, now only the rigging problem of the garment persists. You mentioned dForce, can you please walk me through that, i only know import and export in Daz Studio.

The presets in export from and iumport to Daz Studio must match, so that any adjustments can be undone. From your screenshot it looks as if the figure was moved as  well as reshaped, so the clothing doesn't match - you could fix that by making sure the figuer is not translated, then if the clothes still don't line up manually moving them and exporting them as OB, alone, before reimporting 9this will bake in the corrective movements).

If you are making the clothes around a morphed figure then you must set the Source Shape to the morph used, or Current if mutliple morphs were used, then in the additional options check Reverse Source Shape from Target - otherwise DS will rig relative to the base shape, which is not what you want here.

Even with the correct settings, the Transfer Utility is very literal - it just matches the rigging to the base figure (or another template if you choose that option). The further the outfit is from the skin the more refienment the rigging is likely to requier 9or, of course, you could use dForce to simulate and not worry about rigging).

Hello guys, i hope this finds you well. So i've been working on creating a garment for a figure that i have inside of Daz Studio. The process i took is this:

1- Add the figure from the Daz Library into Daz Studio. I did some adjustments like; shortening the torso, lenghtening the legs and adding a pair of shoes.
2- Export the modified figure as .OBJ, and import it into Clo 3d.
3- Make the garment using Clo 3d.

Now, since i've finished making the garment in Clo 3d, i want to import it into Daz Studio and bind it to the figure's skeleton so it can follow the figure's mouvement nicely. Here is the process:

1- Select every piece of the garment, click "export (selected)" and export it as .OBJ.
2- Import it into Daz Studio with base setting.====>*The problem i find here: https://ibb.co/zmr8zqv
3- Select the Garment and go to "Edit" "Object" "Transfer Utility..."
4- Set the "Scene Item" under "Source" to my figure's name. Set the "Scene Item" under "Target" to my garment.====>*The problem i find here: https://ibb.co/JmYzSgM

As you can see, bad base gives bad results, It's what's happening here, the garment is imported incorrectly so problems will follow.

TL;DR: My garment is imported incorrectly: https://ibb.co/zmr8zqv ; |      My garment does not follow the figure's poses correctly: https://ibb.co/JmYzSgM

Thanks in advance guys, Would hope if someone could help me here. Thanks

Given that there are at least three G9 characters that we know of on the daz store with broken custom CBS (i.e., the CBS are active even when the characters aren't dialled in and therefore ruining G9 for any customer who has them installed), I wonder how many "G9 has bad bends" complaints are because they have installed a product made by a questionable PA.

When i see something so grotesquely deformed like what Outrider42 showed, my thought is that problem is due to a bad PA rather than Genesis 9 base.  For example, either the PA didn't make sufficient corrective blendshapes for their character morph or they made CBS that are firing when they shouldnt be.

(And no I am not in denial about nor evangelising for G9.  I am just not in denial that PA's are blameless)

Timbales said:

Bunyip02 said:

Timbales said:

I'd be interested in a JCM set for G9 Masculine. This one says it's for Feminine, I assume that it works only on feminine shapes and isn't a universal product.

Works on male as well.

Screenshot does not show them very well, but noticeable changes in the armpit & thighs

Noticeable changes in shoulder blade, also changes to thigh.

Based on the hip with it applied, I'd say it doesn't

It "works" in the sense that the morphs can be dialed in, but whether they look good when dialed in on characters they were not designed for is another thing. In this case, I agree that the hip does not look right with this morph combination.

nabob21 said:

AOBB,

Have you released your G9 Elizabeth Taylor morph? I looked in your freebie thread and didn't see it there.

She is going to release them all as a bundle when she is finished. You know how artists are: they like to step away after what they think is a complete work and reevaluate it later for possible more work.

As I recall, working from G8 with no eyebrows, make the HS morph. After polishing and saving it, zero the figure, figure is selected, add a fresh pair of the default eyebrows.