AgitatedRiot said:

I still play a lot of Space Sims. I'm making do with a mouse and keyboard in Star Wars Squadrons and getting killed faster than ever. Elite Dangerous, no way; man ain't even gonna try with a mouse and keyboard. House Of The Dying Sun needs that Hotas setup.

Sounds pretty cool! Those games look great - Ship selection for the SW game seems sort of limited, but it provides game balance. The Elite game looks quite involved! A good hotas set seems like an excellent idea requirement for either of those.

Torquinox said:

AgitatedRiot said:

The Turtle Beach H.O.T.A.S. are better made than the Logitech H.O.T.S.A. systems. The Wartghog H.O.T.A.S. is a replica set of the joystick and dual throttle control panel of the U.S. Air Force A-10C attack aircraft. Logitech owns Thrustmaster, and the Warthog is the best on the market. I don't know if I can wait to get back to flying—that's, like, two months of not flying and dog fighting. I could keep my ground pounding. 

I saw that about the Warthog set - That it's based on A10C and also best on the market. I haven't bought a hotas set in quite a while - After my last set died, I decided to make do with joystick and keyboard. And then my flight simming sort of died out, too. Still, I can see the allure of that Warthog set! Decide you must how to serve yourself best.

I still play a lot of Space Sims. I'm making do with a mouse and keyboard in Star Wars Squadrons and getting killed faster than ever. Elite Dangerous, no way; man ain't even gonna try with a mouse and keyboard. House Of The Dying Sun needs that Hotas setup.

Luke Skywalker from Dark Empire comics for Genesis 9.

Always love to either read or listen to Star wars Legends stuff.

Some parts from Darth Vader (BFII) armor plus SY's Cape for G8M

The meeting with Baron von Kettling continues, and Gnosha says: – “Sir, we must try to stop Odan’s men when they are still in the water, and I have a plan.” Baron von Kettling replies: – “In how many wars have you led forces to battle?” and Gnosha replies: – “None, but as the numbers look, the element of surprise is of utmost importance.” Baron von says: – “Thirtyfive years ago, I had the command of the Dragorport expeditionary force that I led into the mountains.”, and Gnosha replied: – “That’s fantastic, but you had troops back then. Right now we’re pretty thin on troops, even though reinforcements from Erast will hopefully arrive soon.”
Baron von Kettling looks at Aloden and says: – “Aloden, can you handle such things?” And Aloden gives a short nod as an answer. Baron von Kettling looks at Aloden and says: – “Aloden, make sure you help them in every possible way. We can never let them come ashore here, never, after what they have done to me.”

Gnosha describes his plan, which is based on several things.  As the waterfront is a rather high cliffside, the boats need to approach the jetty and unload the soldiers that will need to take the small trail that leads up to the manor from the jetty and the fishermen’s boathouse. The plan consists of:.
 

• First, place stakes with iron tips under the water as a barrier, blocking the approach a fair bit out in the water.
• ​Secondly, place small fragile floating canisters with flammable tar in the water that are anchored to the bottom with a rope.
• Third, build hidden and protected fire positions for archers along the upper edge on both sides of the small trail and the jetty.
• Place sharpen stakes on both sides of the trails and across it, that are camouflaged and not seen from the water.

For this, Gnosha says, he will need men and women that can work and work hard and work fast. Baron von Kettling says to Aloden: – “Gather all men and women, send out the messengers that they are all called in for duty. They need to be here within two hours.”

Then Baron von Kettling looks at Gnosha and the rest of the group and says: – ”They spied on me, those bald wizards in the tower. He was the rat catcher. I bought this mansion thirty years ago, after a long and adventurous life, to settle down with my beloved wife, who also was the adventuring kind. She passed away several years ago, and left me and our daughter. This old house was full of holes in the walls and those holes were full of rats. I hired a rat catcher, but he was spying on me, on behalf of the bald wizards circle. A group of adventurers succeeded in stopping him.”

Shot from a cellar in a room of huge star wars Interrior enviroments. I was quiet undecided what render I should post as I made quiet a few Interrior setups each with loads of rooms. A incredible timeconsuming work getting these done and keeping them light so that Poser DS does not eat up all resources, also keeping as much details as possible. Really love doing these If I find the time. still having a few that I started and never found time to finish em up ...

Summoner said:

Torquinox said:

That would be way a lot better if we were talking about an original model. That's a Wolfenstein Panzerhund. I don't know the provenance of your model. Did you make it? The markings are spot-on for markings I've seen on the web. It makes me wonder, what is your Orcus, actually? Historically, Orcus is a major demon known widely in D&D lore. That's not what you've got there. Is it an original creation? I guess my inquiring mind would like to know.

This is a fan art model I made about 7 years ago full HD full remake for Poser just like if one is releasing Star treck, Star wars meshes that are also found here, it was a high learning curve time about when I totally adapted and changed my 3D systems. Actually made two of these series, but stopped due the compexity and efforts to get such complex stuff working in Poser. The more difficult the model the better you will learn. Allot of people think " A game Rip " well not. would it be that easy no one would be buying assets anymore. It is about the same like forums see a Trekky mesh and scream Game Rip but actually not. efforts are huge you can compare it with a painter that is trying to make a reproduction of Monalisa. But actually just like trekkies there are fans, that like in the case above would love adding such in there collections for personal usage so in such a case It is not me that would get credit just like with the Trekky fan cult.

Sure funny when that guy is eating the Doll :)

Besides when I saw that desighn, I sure remember , I just thought , I just got to have it in poser, just like many other users that often say , I wish I had it in my DS application.

There is one @ sketchfab looks even better then mine got more details!  you can find quiet a few great remakes of this model arround, sure a bummer quiet some artist just had to bild up that Monster, this is what fans do. So when I see certain of these creations I have to say, I could of done even better :)

Cool! Good to know. Thank you.

I followed the Rendo link and looked at BlueTreeStudio's series. The mall looks like one at DAZ, but the stores were like taking a step back in time to the 80s/90s. There was a thread in the Commons where someone was putting a full mall set of store fronts together in the DAZ mall from bits and pieces they had picked up. Fascinating. 

I always thought it would be wonderful to have a linked bakery/coffee/tea shop with a book shop set in an old building. I used to visit a book shop in Ipswich, East Anglia that was in a very old building where there were nooks and crannies, shelving on stairs, and fireplaces and stuffed animals, pillows in odd corners for children to curl up with a book or an overstuffed couch or chair for big people. And doorways where you had to duck under or bruise your head. And people to wrap up your purchases with a smile and a comment at the end of a four-hour visit. A place to dream of unicorns, knights, or space wars in the stars.

@gfdamron1 I wish you well on your journey on creating your book store. 

Gordig said:

You'll note that Google didn't name their operating system Droid; they named in Android, which is an English word that predated Star Wars (and possibly George Lucas).

edit: as a nerdy tangent, many of Star Wars' droids are actually not androids, as the "andro" prefix denotes man-shaped, c.f. gynoid, a woman-shaped robot.

On a different nerdy tangent, this is a case of a concept known as "rebracketing". Android does indeed mean man-shaped, in the same way as humanoid means human-shaped.

But "droid" breaks apart the root language elements.

Some common examples are:

•  helicopter. The roots here are helico - meaning spiral (as in "helix") - and pter - meaning wing (as in "pterodactyl", one of those winged dinosaurs), but English has rebracketed it to heli-copter, giving us words like helipad and quadcopter.
• alcoholic. This is of course, alcohol-ic, but we talk about workaholics and shopaholics, who are not addicted to workahol or shopahol.
• hamburger. This is Hamburg-er, or something or someone from Hamburg, but we've ended up with veggie burgers and cheese burgers and all that. (That said, Hamburg would itself be a concatenation of Ham - possibly meaning "angle" - and burg, with "burg" meaning a fortified settlement. The pronunciation is different, but we see the same element in names like Edinburgh and Middlesborough, etc. So technically a burger is really "something from a fort", but as the  etymology of the food does come through Hamburger specifically, it's still strictly a rebracketing).

hjake said:

I guess for the little guys like Google and that An-droid thing it is bad news. This is the droid you are looking for.

You'll note that Google didn't name their operating system Droid; they named in Android, which is an English word that predated Star Wars (and possibly George Lucas).

edit: as a nerdy tangent, many of Star Wars' droids are actually not androids, as the "andro" prefix denotes man-shaped, c.f. gynoid, a woman-shaped robot.

Torquinox said:

Robert Freise said:

murgatroyd314 said:

I wonder if Daz is aware that the word "droid" is a registered trademark of Lucasfilm.

Wonder how they managed that as it was used in Sci-Fi back in 1952 before Star Wars came out 

Spent the money to register the tm and have the lawyers to defend it. Gross oversimplification. Even so, they did it and a little game once called Battledroids was forced to become a little game called Battletech. Then, Battletech lived a life of its own. Along similar lines, the design of the a-wing starfighter is patented. I suppose that would be true of all the starfighters in the movies? IDK.

I guess for the little guys like Google and that An-droid thing it is bad news. This is the droid you are looking for.

Torquinox said:

That would be way a lot better if we were talking about an original model. That's a Wolfenstein Panzerhund. I don't know the provenance of your model. Did you make it? The markings are spot-on for markings I've seen on the web. It makes me wonder, what is your Orcus, actually? Historically, Orcus is a major demon known widely in D&D lore. That's not what you've got there. Is it an original creation? I guess my inquiring mind would like to know.

This is a fan art model I made about 7 years ago full HD full remake for Poser just like if one is releasing Star treck, Star wars meshes that are also found here, it was a high learning curve time about when I totally adapted and changed my 3D systems. Actually made two of these series, but stopped due the compexity and efforts to get such complex stuff working in Poser. The more difficult the model the better you will learn. Allot of people think " A game Rip " well not. would it be that easy no one would be buying assets anymore. It is about the same like forums see a Trekky mesh and scream Game Rip but actually not. efforts are huge you can compare it with a painter that is trying to make a reproduction of Monalisa. But actually just like trekkies there are fans, that like in the case above would love adding such in there collections for personal usage so in such a case It is not me that would get credit just like with the Trekky fan cult.

Sure funny when that guy is eating the Doll :)

Besides when I saw that desighn, I sure remember , I just thought , I just got to have it in poser, just like many other users that often say , I wish I had it in my DS application.

There is one @ sketchfab looks even better then mine got more details!  you can find quiet a few great remakes of this model arround, sure a bummer quiet some artist just had to bild up that Monster, this is what fans do. So when I see certain of these creations I have to say, I could of done even better :)

richardandtracy said:

Still messing about with this idea intermittently. Come up with an electronics box, but I need to texture it and work out the grafting (obviously almost everything of the head above the underside of the box will be hidden). Modelled cutting the head at Y=163.311, but that was messy. May have to do something simpler, as I was risking having more than a single facet deep boundary to the graft - which risks infringing DAZ's copyright. Anyway, came up with a head box that's not too much of a blatant Star Wars rip-off, but is embossed with 'First Light' on the front, and 'Evazon Me Fecit' on the back (Latin for 'Evazon made me').

So, slow progress, but I'm learning lots.

Regards,

Richard

Awesome!

oddbob said:

nomad-ads_8ecd56922e said:

Pretty sure the Spinner is actually from Bladerunner, unless one or the other production was into borrowing vehicle designs from the other. 

Then again, stranger things have happened.

Syd Mead design for Bladerunner but iconic enough to have been featured in the background of several movies and games.

A lot of sci-fi movies like to place inside-jokes and homages into the background in their movies and TV episodes.  At one point, for instance, the ship from Firefly showed up among a bunch of flying-vehicle traffic in the background in the Battlestar Galactica mini-series.  Star Trek: The Next Generation inserted some contact-sport game that was lifted directly from an anime into a couple of their episodes, to return the favor after several older anime had put Star Trek in jokes into their stuff.  There were also a number of other anime in-jokes and easter-eggs in ST:TNG.

As for Bladrunner, I think I remember mention somewhere of a Spinner showing up in flying-car traffic in one of the Star Wars prequels.

Anyway, soon as I saw that Spinner replica referenced and linked here, I promptly added it to my get list, even though I'm not likely going to be doing Bladerunner fan art or stories.  I might eventually use it as an in-joke, I might just shrink it down and use it as a child's toy, but it will be fun to at least load it into Daz and play with the prop a bit.

AntMan said:

Yes and no is my take. If you are selling your fan art and it's clearly fan art not using their logo and type trying to make it seem like Lucas Merch, then you are going to be fine. I have worked for Lucas for many years freelancing and everyone that I have asked has told me the same thing. If you are honoring the franchise you are not going to get a "stop and desist" order. They are not fans of Star Wars porn. Parody is covered by parody law and is legal so that covers that. The same is true for DC and to a lesser degree the other comics companies. I'm good friends with Mike Mignola and he is totally fine with HellBoy fan art. Don't publish a HellBoy comic as that is taking money out of his pocket. Fanfiction is fine, just don't try and publish it via a publishing house. They wouldn't let you anyway. Any StarTrek stuff that I have done professionally has been through book publishers so I have no idea what Paramount thinks but I get the impression it's the same as Lucas. Copyright is good for I think 70 years beyond the life of the creator than it's up for grabs by anyone. Fables and such. Mickey Mouse is now up for grabs. Disney has always gotten a reputation for taking people to court but it's mostly to protect the holsome nature they want to project. 

Not sure if that is helpful to anyone but I thought I'd share what I have found to be the case with Fan Art.

 

First, what we are dealing with here is often is not copyright law, but Trademark law.  Trademark law is eternal, which is why the Edgar Rice Burroughs estate still holds firm control of the names of all the main Tarzan charaters and is how Paramount clawed the early episodes of Star Trek back from Public Domain when their copyrights were accidentally not renewed after Paramont's acquistion of the original producer of Star Trek, Desilu.  As a result, while majoprity of ERB's most significant books have slipped into the public domain, no one can make a movie of them while using the name Tarzan, Jane Porter, John Carter, Pellucidar, Opar, etc, without the approval of ERB INc.... and that costs money.  Ka-ching!  And even when the original creator didn't take the time to trademark portions of IP, owners can still execute quite a bit of power over a property by manipulating the application of related existing copyrights, hence the reason the A Conan Doyle estate continues to sue companies producing works based on Sherlock Holmes using the argument that "this is clearly based on the later books which are still under copyright protection."  That argument doesn't always work, but quite often it's far easier for those sued to settle with the Doyle estate rather than run a prolonged legal battle.  And here we come to Disney, who now own Lucasfilm and almost all rights to Star Wars.  Disney is well known for their habit of suing anyone and everyone for the least provocative of reasons, and for the literal army of lawyers they employ to overwhelm and financially exhaust their targets.  For example, Disney once sued the Academy Awards for having a woman dressed like Disney's Snow WhiteTM on an Oscars broadcast... there was no way that impacted Disney in any real way financially, but they felt it was better to take the black eye in publicity rather than portentially weaken the hold they had on a property that is otherwise completely in the Public Doman.  Likewise, Disney sues children's Daycare center for having handpainted Disney images on the wall without a license, because if they didn't, they could sell the rights to do similar paintings to other institutions.  And, of course, Disney has literally had Congress re-write exisiting copyright law in order to keep a stranglehold on their most prized IPS.  It doesn't matter what ANYONE at Lucasfilm tells you UNLESS the person you're dealing with is an actual IP attorney and the information was given to you as part of a binding legal agreement with full corporate approval.   Otherwise, if corporate Disney decides at some future point in time that something created by a fan artist isn't to their taste or is somehow damaging to their potential earnings, their army of lawyers will make sure that it disappears. Other companies may or may not be as aggressive, but as companies discover new ways to monetize IP properties, expect for what is considered "acceptable" to continue to shrink.   

AntMan said:

If you are honoring the franchise you are not going to get a "stop and desist" order. They are not fans of Star Wars porn. Parody is covered by parody law and is legal so that covers that.

A) Your examples kind of work against each other. Star Wars porn is just as transformative as, if not more than, fan art of Star Wars, so theoretically porn should be just as acceptable as fan art; Star Wars porn arguably IS parody, so should be covered under the same exception. Fair Use isn't determined by whether the rights holder likes what you created.

B) The letter of the law is only worth so much. Even winning a copyright battle would be financially ruinous to most people, so there's a strong incentive to simply not use items with an ambiguous legal status because it's not worth the risk.

AntMan said:

Hello, As a PA I have a question. I am a huge SciFi fan and I made the Spinner more or less for fun. The new Editorial License allows me to offer it here at Daz so I figured let's see what happens. But while this thread seems to enjoy the idea there are others that are not so happy with these items. I like the idea of making art from popular stories but now I'm confused, is it worth doing or not. I have "FallOut" items I have made for fun, mostly the interior of the shelter and large vault door but are people into this idea or do I listen to the other thread where they seem to hate it????

I believe you're seeing the two halves of the user base looking the issue from the point of view of their own particular interests.  There is a large contingent who basically use DAZ assets primarily to create fan art and iems directed towards other fans (and yes, this includes those who occupy their time making renders that depict likenesses of popular celebrities), while on the other side is a large contingent who use DAZ assets as elements to create art that serves their own creative interests.  For this latter group having something that is clearly lifted directly from a well known franchise like Star Wars is generally pointless, as it's both a potential barrier to distributing/monetizing their creations, but also because, say, using something like a TIE fighter promenently in a space scene alongside other less easily placed items immediately shatters the notion of the resulting image being part of a unique and separate universe... like if you were watching a Godzilla movie and in one shot all of the miniature cars being tossed around clearly have the word TONKA painted on them.  There is, obvously, some grey zone where the two groups and their intents overlap, but with the overzealous attitude that some companies have towards potential trademark and copyright infringements, it's generally wiser for those who lean toward the more commercial applications of their work to avoid products that step too visibly over the line.        

The point is the both sides have their reasons for what they want and prefer, and while it's unlikely that neither is ever likely to agree, it's obviously far easier for the fan art group to use products made for the non-fan universe, whereas the second group is unlikely to buy something that is made to cater to the interests of the first group.  That implies that, conversely, a product not aimed specifically at the fan art focus has a greater potential market in the end, overall.  Honestly, though, I think the main problem right now is that DAZ has handled this sudden change of policy poorly, and what should have been done was the creation of a seperate sub-store section devoted specifically to items that cross too closely over into fan-art specific markets so that siad items can be easily identified... because, after all, there have ALWAYS been products here that are pushing the edge when it comes to duplicating something or someone seen in a feature film or TV series, and many times those purchasing those items are doing so completely unware of that fact they are using the likeness of a movie set or TV starlet.        

Yes and no is my take. If you are selling your fan art and it's clearly fan art not using their logo and type trying to make it seem like Lucas Merch, then you are going to be fine. I have worked for Lucas for many years freelancing and everyone that I have asked has told me the same thing. If you are honoring the franchise you are not going to get a "stop and desist" order. They are not fans of Star Wars porn. Parody is covered by parody law and is legal so that covers that. The same is true for DC and to a lesser degree the other comics companies. I'm good friends with Mike Mignola and he is totally fine with HellBoy fan art. Don't publish a HellBoy comic as that is taking money out of his pocket. Fanfiction is fine, just don't try and publish it via a publishing house. They wouldn't let you anyway. Any StarTrek stuff that I have done professionally has been through book publishers so I have no idea what Paramount thinks but I get the impression it's the same as Lucas. Copyright is good for I think 70 years beyond the life of the creator than it's up for grabs by anyone. Fables and such. Mickey Mouse is now up for grabs. Disney has always gotten a reputation for taking people to court but it's mostly to protect the holsome nature they want to project. 

Not sure if that is helpful to anyone but I thought I'd share what I have found to be the case with Fan Art.

The Spinner is from BladeRunner. It started as a weekend project for fun and then Daz added the Editorial Licences option. My thinking is people might like to be able to have it in their collection to create fan art. 

As for copyright issues you can sell your fan art. Every comic convention I have ever been to has tons of fan art for sale and the Lucas, DC and Marvel booths are just a few isles away. For professional work like a book cover it would be a bad idea. Most likely never getting past the editor or art director, but if self published yeah I guess it could happen. In that case someone is going to say "Hey you know that's a really iconic flying car from BladeRunner designed by Syd Mead". I mean the Product name is Spinner, just like in the film so I'm not hiding anything.

It's good to talk about all this though. If no one wants this type of content it's a good thing for me to know. If it needs to be more clearly marked that's a good point to make. Some items are inspired by movies, many things in fact. With PAs coming right up to the line just short of what I did with the Spinner. This has gone on forever with a standard deal from Daz. But if Lucas wanted every Star Wars item or Star Wars inspired product removed tomorrow they have the money and lawyers to do it regardless of what license is being offered. 

Basically Lucas and large companies are the lions in the food chain and unless a Mouse climbs into their mouth, they are not going to be eaten by the Lion. 

But hey, I just want people to be able to make art and have fun so take me with a grain of salt, and don't use me as your lawyer.

Saturday June 15 - Episode 004 - The Amazing Predatron

Join hosts Paul Bussey and Dartanbeck on “Creative Cart,” where we explore essential assets that can transform your digital art projects. Each episode is themed to highlight a DAZ vendor as well as a range of assets and tools—including characters, shaders, environments, scripts, clothing, and props—tailored to enrich your artistic endeavors!

“Creative Cart” is more than just a showcase; it’s an interactive platform. We feature a community section where you can share your own artwork, recommend your top asset picks and engage in discussions about how these tools have influenced your creations. Get ready to share and show; jot down artwork you’d like to screenshare, helping other artists learn from your creative projects.

Journey Through 20 Years of 3D Magic with Predatron

Join us in celebrating Predatron, a household name in the DAZ 3D community. With a career spanning nearly two decades, Predatron has been a cornerstone of the DAZ store since 2004. His dedication and artistry have enriched the DAZ ecosystem with hundreds of high-quality products, captivating countless 3D artists.

Predatron’s journey began with a nudge from his wife Diane, already established at DAZ 3D, igniting his passion for 3D modeling. Merging iconic movie titles “Predator” and “Tron,” Predatron crafted a unique artist name reflecting his creativity and love for the fantastical.

A generalist with a penchant for grungy medieval styles, Predatron draws inspiration from a myriad of sources — from architecture and nature to Tolkien and artists like John Howe and Boris Vallejo. His creative process often skips traditional sketching, diving straight into 3DS Max or Blender.

Predatron’s work has evolved over the years, gaining confidence and refinement through experience. His creations, such as the beloved “Ye Olde Library,” blend meticulous detail with imaginative design. Despite his extensive experience, Predatron remains dedicated to updating his older products, ensuring they leverage the latest DAZ Studio advancements.

When he’s not crafting stunning 3D assets, he enjoys Cornwall’s coastal beauty, local cuisine, and working on his fantasy trilogy.

Join us in this exclusive focus into Predatron’s creative world, exploring highlights from his product range, and gain insights from his wealth of experience.

During the session Dartanbeck will delve into a world of mythical creatures and heroes with highlights including the fearsome Troglodytes, mischievous Goblins, and the formidable Angor (Beastmen). He’ll look at some of his favourite Predatron environments.

Predatron LoREZ Products

We’ll also look at the super-useful LoREZ product series:-

Lorenzo LoREZ is a versatile bundle offering various ethnicity skin tones and a broad selection of clothing, alongside extensive morph options for shaping and customization. It provides an easy-to-use, low-resolution figure ideal for diverse character creation, from humans to creatures.

Loretta LoREZ mirrors Lorenzo’s features, supporting a wide range of shapes and skins while being resource-efficient, making them perfect for populating scenes without taxing system resources.

LoREZ Masked Hero enables easy creation of superheroes, with options for further customization. It’s compatible with Lorenzo, enhancing diversity for star ship crews or other character needs.

LoREZ Horse 2 is an upgraded low-resolution horse model with high detail and compatibility with existing animations, complemented by a textures add-on.

Predatron’s LoREZ Animals Bundle includes light-on-resources, versatile animal models like dogs, pigs, a crow, a rat, and a cat, each packed with morphs and textures to fit various needs in your scenes.

Fantasy Realms : Community Challenge

Using Predatron’s 3D assets, create a scene that captures the essence of fantasy — be it mystical forests, enchanted castles, or taking advantage of one of the many mythical or fantasy creatures by Predatron.

Share your masterpiece in the Digital Art Live STUDIO forum - DAZ Studio - The Creative Cart.

Have you used any of Predatron’s assets in your scenes already?

If so -we’d also love to see your creativity with these – share your work during the webinar!

Let your imagination run wild and join the adventure!

I was pregnant in Utah when the very first Star Wars movie was released and that summer was HOT!

Remember, not all women get huge. A co-worker was model thin and when she was pregnant, she finally unbuttoned the top button to her uniform pants a month before she gave birth. Then there are those like me that put a lot of weight on immediately and have to start wearing larger clothes fast. But try normal clothing and then during the middle of the second tri-mester, go for the obvious baby bump clothes. Breasts swell up first for some, waist may get a bit fuller, but otherwise until then a character might not show. But by that last month, hips spread and you waddle. Every woman is different as you know.

So you can use morphs if you are tracking a character over a period of a pregnancy in a story, instead of stuck with one size fits all pregnancy slider. And the normal clothes in D|S can be used possibly. Look at the PA esha's store.