(I still intend to use the ancient Mimic Pro for lip sync, and export to Cinema 4D uses the possibly-defunct Riptide Pro), but so far so good. I attach an animation test (below) using my new workflow with an iClone motion retargeted to Victoria 4. I'm looking forward to further explore Daz 

Hi Tim, the clip looks great!!
Obviously We use  whatever generation of figures we prefer, however  being on the Windows OS
does open more  modern 64 bit options for audio based lipsync in Daz studio.

In fact Daz studio has more (&certainly cheaper ),
lipsync options than Iclone  at this point.
Right now there are technically four such options for Daz Studio however three of them are for the Genesis figures only.

I have reviewed three of them in this video linked below

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xOSyocgvpRfrYw821IxxdYVLuQI5rALm/view

Something to consider going foward with your new Win64 based pipeline ,as the lipsync options for good old  mike& vicky4  will continue to become less and less viable.

Thanks. I've managed to export the V4 cr2 with the flat foot pose, but GenX2 still uses the original Victoria 4.2 source which has the tippy toe pose. How do I replace the Victoria 4.2 morph that GenX2 moprh with the new flat foot V4.2 I created? 

This list is wrong. There were no Genesis 4, 5, 6 or 7, Daz moved from G3 to G8. And V4.2 was just the latest update of V4, she shouldn’t be listed on her own.

The actual “Generation list” is this:

1. Victoria / Michael (1), also known as “millenium woman” and “millenium man”
2. Victoria / Michael 2: basically V1 and M1 with more morphs. There were also kids figures (the first millenium boys and girls) and the first Stephanie in generation 2, they were separate figures.
3. Victoria / Michael 3, and their friends Stephanie Petite 3, David 3, Aiko 3 and Hiro 3, the Freak, the Girl, and for kids the Young Teens (Luke and Laura), Preschoolers (Matt and Maddie) and Millenium Baby. Once again, all separate figures.
4. Victoria / Michael 4, and Kids 4 were the base figures. Other generation 4 named base characters were shapes for those base figures.
5. First version of Genesis (unisex), with Victoria 5, Michael 5 and the other “Name 5” base characters as shapes for Genesis.
6. Genesis 2 Female and Male base figures, with Victoria 6, Michael 6 and other generation 6 named base characters 
7. Genesis 3 Female and Male base figures, with Victoria 7, Michael 7 and the other “7” named base characters 
8. Genesis 8 Female and Male base figures, with Victoria 8, Michael 8 and all the “8” characters.

Daz switched to labeling Genesis with the generation number for the fourth Genesis figures because it was too confusing to have different numbers, especially since V4 content is still widely used (while generation 1, 2 and 3 are pretty much retired)

Wow. You were fast. I only had the incorrect list online for about three or four minutes before correcting it.

I continue to find this a confusing naming structure when seeking assets, clothing etc.

When they refer to a "generation" of charactor it does not equate to one of the charactor sets like G2, G3 or G8.  From above a Generation 6 is for Genisis 2 not "Genisis 6" which does not exist and so on. Many times an asset description may say for Victoria 4 but not mention the genesis version at all and I have to either try to recall (not doing well on that! ) or revert to some seach to find out what charactor Victoria 4 belongs to which is NOT G4F which, again, does not exist.

Why the ppl at DAZ did not name things to include both the "Generation" and the "Charator" for instance Victoria 4.2 to indicate Gen 4 for Genisis 2. Would make searching for clothing, hair etc. much easier to filter.

It is not nearly as confusing as it seems. Michael and Victoria came first, then they were followed by the various Genesis models. This shakes down to this chronological order:

1. Victoria / Michael
2. Victoria 2 / Michael 2
3. Victoria 3 / Michael 3
4. Victoria 4 / Michael 4
5. Victoria 4.2
6. Genesis Female / Genesis Male
7. Genesis 2
8. Genesis 3
9. Genesis 4
10. Genesis 5
11. Genesis 7
12. Genesis 8

 

(You are correct, they skipped Genesis 6).

This list is wrong. There were no Genesis 4, 5, 6 or 7, Daz moved from G3 to G8. And V4.2 was just the latest update of V4, she shouldn’t be listed on her own.

The actual “Generation list” is this:

1. Victoria / Michael (1), also known as “millenium woman” and “millenium man”
2. Victoria / Michael 2: basically V1 and M1 with more morphs. There were also kids figures (the first millenium boys and girls) and the first Stephanie in generation 2, they were separate figures.
3. Victoria / Michael 3, and their friends Stephanie Petite 3, David 3, Aiko 3 and Hiro 3, the Freak, the Girl, and for kids the Young Teens (Luke and Laura), Preschoolers (Matt and Maddie) and Millenium Baby. Once again, all separate figures.
4. Victoria / Michael 4, and Kids 4 were the base figures. Other generation 4 named base characters were shapes for those base figures.
5. First version of Genesis (unisex), with Victoria 5, Michael 5 and the other “Name 5” base characters as shapes for Genesis.
6. Genesis 2 Female and Male base figures, with Victoria 6, Michael 6 and other generation 6 named base characters 
7. Genesis 3 Female and Male base figures, with Victoria 7, Michael 7 and the other “7” named base characters 
8. Genesis 8 Female and Male base figures, with Victoria 8, Michael 8 and all the “8” characters.

Daz switched to labeling Genesis with the generation number for the fourth Genesis figures because it was too confusing to have different numbers, especially since V4 content is still widely used (while generation 1, 2 and 3 are pretty much retired)

I continue to find this a confusing naming structure when seeking assets, clothing etc.

When they refer to a "generation" of charactor it does not equate to one of the charactor sets like G2, G3 or G8.  From above a Generation 6 is for Genisis 2 not "Genisis 6" which does not exist and so on. Many times an asset description may say for Victoria 4 but not mention the genesis version at all and I have to either try to recall (not doing well on that! ) or revert to some seach to find out what charactor Victoria 4 belongs to which is NOT G4F which, again, does not exist.

Why the ppl at DAZ did not name things to include both the "Generation" and the "Charator" for instance Victoria 4.2 to indicate Gen 4 for Genisis 2. Would make searching for clothing, hair etc. much easier to filter.

It is not nearly as confusing as it seems. Michael and Victoria came first, then they were followed by the various Genesis models. This shakes down to this chronological order:

1. Victoria / Michael
2. Victoria 2 / Michael 2
3. Victoria 3 / Michael 3
4. Victoria 4 (and 4.2) / Michael 4
5. Genesis Female / Genesis Male
6. Genesis 2
7. Genesis 3
8. Genesis 8

If you look at the numbers on the left, I think you can see why they skipped from Genesis 3 to Genesis 8. They realized that the numbering was getting more confusing, so skipping Genesis numbers seemed the easiest way to bring everything back into alignment. Not sure it worked, but it's a start.

I hope this helps.

(You are correct, they skipped Genesis 6).

Victoria 4 was before the first Genesis, that's why there's no mention of the Genesis line on product pages for V4 items. Genesis was introduced as generation 5 of Daz figures.

I continue to find this a confusing naming structure when seeking assets, clothing etc.

When they refer to a "generation" of charactor it does not equate to one of the charactor sets like G2, G3 or G8.  From above a Generation 6 is for Genisis 2 not "Genisis 6" which does not exist and so on. Many times an asset description may say for Victoria 4 but not mention the genesis version at all and I have to either try to recall (not doing well on that! ) or revert to some seach to find out what charactor Victoria 4 belongs to which is NOT G4F which, again, does not exist.

Why the ppl at DAZ did not name things to include both the "Generation" and the "Charator" for instance Victoria 4.2 to indicate Gen 4 for Genisis 2. Would make searching for clothing, hair etc. much easier to filter.

There's a compatibility matrix linked in the OP.  Just go by that.

Is there a simple list of charactor names with the Genisis version? Seems it would be in this sites FAQ section right?

When looking for assets I find Daz naming structure to give no clue to the Genesis figure it was built upon.

There are four sets now that I know of.

• Genesis (1)
• Genesis 2
• Genesis 3
• Genisis 8  ( skipped 4, 5,6,7 )

It appears DAZ finally got the hint with "8" and name those charactors with the digit 8 in them but the rest have numbers in charactor names that do not relate to which set they belong.  Victoria 4 for instance...there are no Genisis 4 charactors. Why "4"

Which belong together?

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this nay halp you understand a bit
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/24257/daz-3d-human-figures-a-history/p1

Which belong together?

I'm by no means an expert, but as far as my understanding, there are eight and a bit generations:

• Victoria/Michael 1 (Originally Victoria was "The Millennium Woman", but apparently they disliked the common "Millie" abbreviation)
• Victoria/Michael 2
• Victoria/Michael 3
• Victoria/Michael 4
• Victoria 4.1
• Victoria 4.2
• Genesis (At this point Victoria and Michael were no longer the base figures, but were morphs in their own right. This generation was Victoria 5).
• Genesis 2 (with the corresponding Victoria being 6)
• Genesis 3 (Victoria 7)
• Genesis 8 (Victoria 8)

Genesis jumped to version 8 to avoid the confusion with the characters and the Genesis version having different numbers, particularly as Generation 4 content is still widely used and would have been particularly confusing.

I continue to find this a confusing naming structure when seeking assets, clothing etc.

When they refer to a "generation" of charactor it does not equate to one of the charactor sets like G2, G3 or G8.  From above a Generation 6 is for Genisis 2 not "Genisis 6" which does not exist and so on. Many times an asset description may say for Victoria 4 but not mention the genesis version at all and I have to either try to recall (not doing well on that! ) or revert to some seach to find out what charactor Victoria 4 belongs to which is NOT G4F which, again, does not exist.

Why the ppl at DAZ did not name things to include both the "Generation" and the "Charator" for instance Victoria 4.2 to indicate Gen 4 for Genisis 2. Would make searching for clothing, hair etc. much easier to filter.

Is there a simple list of charactor names with the Genisis version? Seems it would be in this sites FAQ section right?

When looking for assets I find Daz naming structure to give no clue to the Genesis figure it was built upon.

There are four sets now that I know of.

• Genesis (1)
• Genesis 2
• Genesis 3
• Genisis 8  ( skipped 4, 5,6,7 )

It appears DAZ finally got the hint with "8" and name those charactors with the digit 8 in them but the rest have numbers in charactor names that do not relate to which set they belong.  Victoria 4 for instance...there are no Genisis 4 charactors. Why "4"

Which belong together?

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I had animated Daz characters (V3/M3 & V4/M4) for years in Poser because the animation tools in Daz were too difficult to use--even Graphmate and Keymate. I have only just now started to work with the new Timeline in Daz 4.12, and already it seems superior to Poser's in a number of ways (viewing multiple graphs at once, for instance), and could not have come along at a better time for me. I had just gone from Mac to Windows 10, and built my own rig which is 3x faster (and probably 3x cheaper than a new comparable Mac would have been), but it caused me to have to retool my animation pipeline, which had relied on now dead plugins for Poser (InterPoser Pro and PoserFusion to send to Cinema 4D, where I render). I purchased the iClone Pipeline on the recommendation of Wolf (thanks, Wolf!), and after a bit of a struggle figuring out how to fit all the pieces together for my workflow--and with the new Daz timeline--I think I can finally jettison Poser and animate in Daz and iClone instead. My first tests of the new tools look very promising: I have my own mocap system, which does a great job of capturing movement, but importing bvh files into Poser was always iffy (particularly the dreaded foot-sliding) and into Daz was worse, but motion files sent through the iClone/3DXchange pipeline come into Daz rock solid, and editing and adjusting the motions in the new Daz Timeline was a pleasure. There are stil a few quirks and worrisome gaps (I still intend to use the ancient Mimic Pro for lip sync, and export to Cinema 4D uses the possibly-defunct Riptide Pro), but so far so good. I attach an animation test (below) using my new workflow with an iClone motion retargeted to Victoria 4. I'm looking forward to further explore Daz Studio!

https://youtu.be/ICEj4bZwDAo

https://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-piper-hd-for-victoria-7-and-her-jewelry

For Victoria 8.  I've been searching and found some good, form fitting bikinis but not the print I'm looking for.  The closest I found was this:

but it requires the V3 bikini (which seems to no longer be available) and there's no guarantee it would fit the Victoria 8 model...any alternatives?

Thanks!

Woke up in the middle of the night, couldn’t sleep, so checked Daz sales page and OMG, looks sooo complicated, going back to sleep. Hope it makes sense in the morning. Right now my brain just can’t compute it all lol! 

There's a considerable cognitive load involved in processing DAZ sales, and sometimes it's just overwhelming. I have days when I look at all the various offers and special conditions and interacting discounts and just go "I can't handle this right now. I'll come back to it later."

That said, today's 42% discount on the Unflateable Pony if you own Victoria 8 and purchased Teen Raven on a Tuesday and have at least 3 PC+ items that begin with the letter 'R', plus either a new release or a unicorn in your cart is an absolute steal.

Yup. Once your library is big enough, sometimes you just go... "Nope - not doing this today, no matter what the savings are..." 
But today wasn't that day for me... nor was yesterday - and my wallet is screaming at me. 

.Review - Modeling with LittleFox Part 3 - Getting to Daz Studio 

OK, my bad, this tutorial is clearly labeled, but I didn't think it through.  LittleFox shows how to create a detailed dress for Victoria 4.  Well, that figure was designed for the legacy Poser CR2 format, and its rigging system.  So, the tutorial is out of date for content for newer figures like the Teena dress I posted above.  Lady LittleFox remains well organized and explains things clearly and with humor.

I'm still glad I went through the tutorial, and some of the lessons are useful, but the transfer utility has changed the basics or Studio figures like Genesis.  I still create some of my own figures for Carrara, which still can accept the legacy Poser CR2, so I can still use a lot of the lessons.  However, I think most people would prefer a more recent tutorial that focses on Genesis figures and Sudio's more recent rigging maps and brushes.

Woke up in the middle of the night, couldn’t sleep, so checked Daz sales page and OMG, looks sooo complicated, going back to sleep. Hope it makes sense in the morning. Right now my brain just can’t compute it all lol! 

There's a considerable cognitive load involved in processing DAZ sales, and sometimes it's just overwhelming. I have days when I look at all the various offers and special conditions and interacting discounts and just go "I can't handle this right now. I'll come back to it later."

That said, today's 42% discount on the Unflateable Pony if you own Victoria 8 and purchased Teen Raven on a Tuesday and have at least 3 PC+ items that begin with the letter 'R', plus either a new release or a unicorn in your cart is an absolute steal.

HI all,

Just bought this product and i want to try and convert this one: https://www.daz3d.com/trinity-leather-jacket

But when i wanna load files / whole directory from people/victoria4/trinity...... it doesnt find or load any files.

Any idea on what wrong?

Sounds like a metadata problem.  When you try to add files, what does the log say? 

You can get around this problem by UNCHECKING "Check Content Type" and then using "Add Files" to add the files you want to convert.

That's an Optitex dynamic product - see my comments on Page 10 of this thread: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/304091/released-rssy-clothing-converter-from-victoria-4-to-genesis-8-female-commercial/p10

Ah!  Thanks @MelanieL

This:

But apparently, the answer is we have zero faith in the Daz customer base. That is what this comes down to. Apparently Daz customers are just too stupid for a review system.

Then this:

New users jumping into this are going to be clueless. Daz has changed since 99% of you started using it. There is a lot more to this app than before. While many of you got to learn these new features as they were released (like dforce, then dforce hair, or Iray Dual Lobe), brand new users have to figure ALL of this stuff out. There is a lot of stuff on their plate, and they are expected to know what is what. Oh, and they are expected to know the difference between Victoria 4 and Genesis 8, or the previous 7 generations of Genesis. Oh wait, there is no Genesis 5-7. But there is Victoria 5-7? What is this? You are telling me that Genesis 8 can't just wear Victoria 5 shoes??? You are telling me these light I bought are not actually for Iray? I thought Iray was Daz? <.<

Even though Daz itself is somewhat easy to use, there is still a long learning curve.

These two fit together if you remove the problem being 'stupid customers' and instead use the fact that 3D is challenging and it would be many of those 'challenged' who would be leaving reviews.

Reviews because auto-fit failed. Do you blame the software or blame the outfit?

Reviews because the Deforce thing exploded. Do you blame your settings or the dress?

Reviews because a figure has terrible skin. Do you blame the HDRI or light rig or the PA who made the character?

Reviews because of a long render time. Do you blame the software/render settings/your machine or blame the product?

All these issues get handled in a long thread where people can reply and address complaints and issues. If it's mostly a star system, how do you get to the reasons behind a star?

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So far I see two even sides. For every PRO there's an equally powerful and compelling CON. I see how easy it is to list - all the hurdles and costs that Daz would have to overcome to implement a proper system.

How much risk is involved of things going badly.

What I haven't seen is anybody name a benefit for Daz using a rating system.

Explain or show how it's costing sales NOT having one or, or explain/show how a rating system will increase sales.

That would be real swaying power.