my image before showed Summer with Raven dialed out to 0 as well. She was definitely made to enhance Raven.

Did we need a Summer (minus Raven) image?

Here's a quick one with Raven dialed out.

 

Summer is made with 100 % percent Raven's head dialed in, not 50%- because I love Raven's head shape. :)

It seems a lot of discussion around her is more or less about terminology?

In response to the "at least she doesn't have 'slutty' clothes, I try not to use that term because it carries the connotation that revealing clothing is somehow bad and that people who wear such are bad- and I can't wait for the day when people aren't judged for the curves of their body and the clothes (or lack of) that they can choose to comfortably wear or not wear. Growing up I had to wear skirts and dresses because "proper" girls did so and only 'bad girls' wore pants and makeup. Ug. Of course, my last job REQUIRED makeup for ladies.... times change. do they ever. LOL. 
Anyway, regardless of the "teen" terminology or not, I do think she looks younger, shape wise, than say, Victoria or Eva or a lot of others. I think names are simply inspirational, like "this is what she COULD be per our vision while making her."  A starting point. And if she looks 40 to some of you... well, I'm just going to say that if I look that bright-eyed and cute and a bit punky when I hit my 40s (nearer than I'd like!) I will be absolutely THRILLED.  :P Bring on the age-defying Daz character dials, stat! I need some elixer of youth. I could use a good bit of Raven dialed in... (don't I wish!!!!)

I was curious about 0% Raven and 100% Sunny, because I don't want to buy the Raven figure base. It doesn't appeal to me at all, and I don't want miss out on Sunny because of it.
Sunny at 0% is a slightly more youthful character and enhances Raven that's a given. The plus for Sunny: she has great skin, makeup and nails plus a no makeup option. Even though I can try to spin a few dials with base G8F, it won't be Sunny, but she's still a great character.

Victoria 4 itself would be in Poser Formats, in the folder isntalled to the Figures>Daz People (and Poser>Daz' Victoria 4 for the poses, morph injections, and materials)

And here's a sample of what happens when I load in any other Genesis 8 female figure (like Victoria 8).  By the way this is still coming up even after I uninstalled the "VYK - Sad Sue" product via DIM.

2019-10-04 08:37:57.090 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5995): Duplicate formula found linking xOrigin & Mouth Width Alt in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad Sue for Genesis 3 Female/Mouth Width Alt.dsf.
2019-10-04 08:37:57.090 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5996):     owner: Genesis8Female
2019-10-04 08:37:57.091 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5997):     output: lNasolabialLower:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#lNasolabialLower?center_point/x
2019-10-04 08:37:57.097 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5998):     input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad%20Sue%20for%20Genesis%203%20Female/Mouth%20Width%20Alt.dsf#Mouth%20Width%20Alt?value
2019-10-04 08:37:57.145 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5995): Duplicate formula found linking yOrigin & Mouth Width Alt in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad Sue for Genesis 3 Female/Mouth Width Alt.dsf.
2019-10-04 08:37:57.151 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5996):     owner: Genesis8Female
2019-10-04 08:37:57.151 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5997):     output: lNasolabialLower:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#lNasolabialLower?center_point/y
2019-10-04 08:37:57.151 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5998):     input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad%20Sue%20for%20Genesis%203%20Female/Mouth%20Width%20Alt.dsf#Mouth%20Width%20Alt?value
2019-10-04 08:37:57.206 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5995): Duplicate formula found linking zOrigin & Mouth Width Alt in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad Sue for Genesis 3 Female/Mouth Width Alt.dsf.
2019-10-04 08:37:57.206 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5996):     owner: Genesis8Female
2019-10-04 08:37:57.206 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5997):     output: lNasolabialLower:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#lNasolabialLower?center_point/z
2019-10-04 08:37:57.212 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5998):     input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad%20Sue%20for%20Genesis%203%20Female/Mouth%20Width%20Alt.dsf#Mouth%20Width%20Alt?value
2019-10-04 08:37:57.260 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5995): Duplicate formula found linking xEnd & Mouth Width Alt in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad Sue for Genesis 3 Female/Mouth Width Alt.dsf.
2019-10-04 08:37:57.267 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5996):     owner: Genesis8Female
2019-10-04 08:37:57.267 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5997):     output: lNasolabialLower:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#lNasolabialLower?end_point/x
2019-10-04 08:37:57.267 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5998):     input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad%20Sue%20for%20Genesis%203%20Female/Mouth%20Width%20Alt.dsf#Mouth%20Width%20Alt?value
2019-10-04 08:37:57.321 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5995): Duplicate formula found linking yEnd & Mouth Width Alt in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad Sue for Genesis 3 Female/Mouth Width Alt.dsf.
2019-10-04 08:37:57.321 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5996):     owner: Genesis8Female
2019-10-04 08:37:57.321 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5997):     output: lNasolabialLower:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#lNasolabialLower?end_point/y
2019-10-04 08:37:57.327 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5998):     input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad%20Sue%20for%20Genesis%203%20Female/Mouth%20Width%20Alt.dsf#Mouth%20Width%20Alt?value
2019-10-04 08:37:57.376 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5995): Duplicate formula found linking zEnd & Mouth Width Alt in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad Sue for Genesis 3 Female/Mouth Width Alt.dsf.
2019-10-04 08:37:57.383 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5996):     owner: Genesis8Female
2019-10-04 08:37:57.383 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5997):     output: lNasolabialLower:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Genesis8Female.dsf#lNasolabialLower?end_point/z
2019-10-04 08:37:57.383 WARNING: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5998):     input: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/vyktohria/VYK_Sad%20Sue%20for%20Genesis%203%20Female/Mouth%20Width%20Alt.dsf#Mouth%20Width%20Alt?value

That helped, I think I needed to look in categories. in daz studio formats something is still screwy. I don't have Victoria 4 and Victoria 8doesn't even have a folder.

if you want to realase Genesis 9 make her morphs built in with her base figure , There is no need to make morph separate files zip .

Who buy the genesis 9 without her Morphs .

nobody, that's why the bases are free

but I honestly think Victoria and Micheal pro should include the main morph packages instead of the other bundled crap they do 

most only buy them for the anatomical elements

barely anyone buys them for the usually hideous outfits and silly poses that get tossed in

my image before showed Summer with Raven dialed out to 0 as well. She was definitely made to enhance Raven.

Did we need a Summer (minus Raven) image?

Here's a quick one with Raven dialed out.

Summer is made with 100 % percent Raven's head dialed in, not 50%- because I love Raven's head shape. :)

It seems a lot of discussion around her is more or less about terminology?

In response to the "at least she doesn't have 'slutty' clothes, I try not to use that term because it carries the connotation that revealing clothing is somehow bad and that people who wear such are bad- and I can't wait for the day when people aren't judged for the curves of their body and the clothes (or lack of) that they can choose to comfortably wear or not wear. Growing up I had to wear skirts and dresses because "proper" girls did so and only 'bad girls' wore pants and makeup. Ug. Of course, my last job REQUIRED makeup for ladies.... times change. do they ever. LOL. 
Anyway, regardless of the "teen" terminology or not, I do think she looks younger, shape wise, than say, Victoria or Eva or a lot of others. I think names are simply inspirational, like "this is what she COULD be per our vision while making her."  A starting point. And if she looks 40 to some of you... well, I'm just going to say that if I look that bright-eyed and cute and a bit punky when I hit my 40s (nearer than I'd like!) I will be absolutely THRILLED.  :P Bring on the age-defying Daz character dials, stat! I need some elixer of youth. I could use a good bit of Raven dialed in... (don't I wish!!!!)

I think Teen Raven and the others in this bundle are very pretty. I like that these new characters, adult or teen, have stopped looking all like slight variations of the 29 year old super model Victoria look or for teens, 10 - 14 year old children like Teen Josie 8. The look most people are calling all-encompassing teen is pre-teen to early teen. Yes, early teen is teen too but so is mid to late teen. Teen Raven looks like an average 15 - 29 year old female person, well if you exclude they are thinner and look taller (she's 5'6" so maybe it's the thinness then average look making an optical illusion) than average female 15 - 29 in the USA.

They remind me of the teen singer genre when I was at university in the mid-to-late 80s & early 90s like Debby Gibson (17 with 1st big hit) & Tiffany (16 with 1st big hit) for example.

Hi. What hair is used on Analia product page images?

https://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-analia-hd-for-victoria-8

Genesis 8 Female by height :

• Mrs Chow 8 - 5' 0" (152.7 cm)
• Karyssa 8 - 5' 2" (158 cm)
• Mika 8 - 5' 3.5" (161.29 cm)
• Teen Jane 8 - 5' 4" (162.7 cm)
• Mei Lin 8 - 5' 4" (163 cm)
• Teen Josie 8 - 5' 5" (165 cm)
• Gabriela 8 - 5' 5" (165.2 cm)
• Sakura 8 - 5' 5" (166 cm)
• Teen Raven 8 - 5' 6" (167.8 cm)
• Stephanie 8 - 5' 6" (168 cm)
• Teen Kaylee 8 - 5' 6" (168 cm)
• Mabel 8 - 5' 6" (168 cm)
• Edie 8 - 5' 6" (168 cm)
• Bridget 8 - 5' 6" (168.1 cm)
• Charlotte 8 - 5' 7" (170 cm)
• Sydney 8 - 5' 7" (170.3 cm)
• Aiko 8 - 5' 7" (171 cm)
• Babina 8 - 5' 8" (173.0 cm)
• Alexandra 8 - 5' 8" (173 cm)
• The Girl 8 - 5' 8" (173 cm)
• Olympia 8 - 5' 9" (175 cm)
• Eva 8 - 5' 8" (175.3 cm)
• Tika 8 - 5' 9" (175.6 cm)
• Penny 8 - 5' 9" (176 cm)
• Kala 8 - 5' 9" (177.1 cm)
• Monique 8 - 5' 10" (178 cm)
• Latonya 8 - 5' 10" (178 cm)
• Ellithia 8 - 5' 10" (178.3 cm)
• Kanade 8 - 5' 11" (179.9 cm)
• Zelara 8 - 5' 11" (180 cm)
• Gia 8 - 5' 11" (180 cm)
• Victoria 8  - 6' 0" (183 cm)
• Tasha 8 - 6' 0" (183.1 cm)

My concern with G9 is vendor/customer burnout. I look at my G8 resources, and even with me spending money like Richy Rich in a candy store, they pale in comparison with the resources I have for Victoria 4. There are only so many times a vendor is going to be willing to update a product to work with the latest generation and only so many times a long-time user is going to be willing to buy said updated product.

Well I for one do think that having more time for Genesis 8 is a good thing.  As I mentioned in another (now locked) thread, we are seeing more Diversity with the pro characters, as the two a month or so cadence for Pro characters encourages that at this point.  Sanjay and Kala being one example of that.

The 'usual suspects' usually soak up the first few Pro slots, those being Vicky, Mike, etc. so the more obscure characters usually don't happen until later in the product cycle.  So a longer cycle helps with that.

Also, as I mentioned before, we are already seeing a number of improvements being implemented via Daz Studio updates, such as the new hair and such, so we can do more now with Genesis 8 than we could back when Victoria 8 first came out.

Plus, I hate having to buy new iterations of the various morph kits over and over.  It's a necessary evil, 'cuz I use a lot of the morphs, So a longer product cycle means that I can make do with the current gen morphs for longer.  I still use Genesis 3 more than 8, but am starting to use more of Genesis 8 now that I have a decent library of wardrobe for those characters.  I do use the older generations of characters as well, but not nearly as often.  Pre-Genesis though not much at all though, although I do port clothing forward to newer generations from the V3-V4 era a fair bit.

I just wish I could get the Genesis 8 morphing pumps and boots from FistyandDarc to fit on my Genesis 3 characters without too much effort... I love those shoes!  Genesis 3 versions of those would be nice too, but I'm not holding my breath.  Changing from the 'T' pose to the 'A' pose, yeah I understand the reasoning for that, but it really messes with trying to autofit shoes from G8 to G3.  That generally doesn't go well for me.

Back on point, though.  If Genesis 9 shows up in late 2020, or even 2021, yeah it won't hurt my feelings at all.

Okay, a potentially weird one: anyone have any tips/best practices on creating a character/figure in Daz who looks like a blending of two other characters? That is: say I wanted to create a character who looked like the child of Michael 8 and Victoria 8, is there any way I could do that without simply eye-balling it? 

Obviously, it'd be easy enough to make a male figure who looked a little like Michael 8 by tweaking some sliders (or a female figure who looked like Victoria 8). But is there any way to make that male or female figure take on some of the characteristics of a parent who's of a different gender?

I did a fit test some time ago on G3 or G8 (don't remember) and used iray metal and gem shaders on the non cloth peices. As mentioned previously, when using autofit, any hanging cloth or pieces that extend from the figure do not do well. I have picked up SY helper for V4 clothes, just haven't tested it with this outfit yet.

 

Just curious, were you trying to "AutoFit" the paldrons and draping cape elements, thus resulting in problems?  Even for the intended figure, Victoria 4, Gareee cautioned that piece as well as the "crown" should be "parented" to the chest and head respectively, not "conformed".

Sincerely,

Bill

Ok... so this sale and coupon probably had the opposite effect DAZ intended. Instead of making me feel thanked, it made me feel rushed and a little cheated. 
I wanted 3 new releases, which made me eligible for the $30 in credit. I actually wanted 5 new releases. But if I got 5 new releases, I couldn't get ANY free items. I saw that small print after I posted the coupon here. 
So, I had to dump two of the new items, getting 3 new items and PART of the total of the $30 in credit I wanted (I would have just taken one of the more expensive items, but I pretty much own all of those already). 
As far as the UTC - 6 MDT... I guess it is back to Timezones for Dummies for me. Mea culpa. I just read it as 6 MDT. 
It was like this sale was a disincentive to buying the new items. The best way to go would have been to buy discount legacy items - the Gen 3, 2, 1 and Victoria 4 stuff, get the discount on 5 of those items, and skip the new items and the new item discount. 
It was really frustrating. It should have stacked. Up to 5 paid items (Free items do not count to cart toal). 
I guess we're even for all the times I took advantage of DAZ when you were having glitches every evening. 
:P 
You still got my money. Just not as much as I thought I was going to spend. So... Win/Win, I guess. At least I got to support some of the PAs who put out work I like. 

M4 Enhanced???

Enhanced how?

Why?

Where?

I'm totally tweaked now - how did I miss this (when it was available)???

I'm curious too, and I think I missed this one.  (It is a pity how difficult it can be to find info on older discontinued products and how they can vanish with their creators to never be seen again.  Myself I'm trying to find out who made the Chicken Raptor from the Desolation Earth stuff to see if maybe they might be able to sell a copy of it or if the licensing would be prohibitive in that regard.)

Mina Enhanced was a female morph of M4. It was so you could have a female figure wearing M4 clothing without the work of manually fitting it to Vicky, or so my 3d art mentor told me. No autofit clones, you know. [Insert GIF of Bones McCoy's "Stone knives & bearskins" rant]

(V4, and I think V3 as well, had a Male morph named Vincent. In those ancient times, when a new Victoria was released, it would be several months before the new Michael was, so Daz would release the Vincent morph so Latest Victoria wouldn't be lonely waiting on Latest Michael.

?? Conflicts? Problems?  Any Carrara issues after installing Daz Studio 4.12?

Here are all the supported human figures - this scene was fun to put together. I used this to test all the hand cameras, to make sure I named them all correctly and that they could all live happily in the same scene. Just like any other objects, the cams will put a (2) after the name if you load 2 of the same one in the scene, but each figures cameras are named specifically to them and their body parts, so that won't happen too often.

Let's see if I can run down what everybody is wearing here. The figures are holding up numbers of fingers to identify themselves. All of them have had the Iray uber base shader applied to all of their surfaces after loading their materials, which is a quick & not particularly beautiful way to convert surfaces. For a solo portrait I'd use one of the custom human shaders.

Aiko 3: 3dU High Tops, Aiko Toon skirt, Oriental Seasons top, Sherri Hair. Character texture is probably Rei, I use that one a lot.

Michael 3: The Privateer outfit, Uptown Boy hair. Default face - wow, M3 is a dork.

Victoria 3: GND2 Shoes, Morphing cocktail dress w/Fisty & Darc's iray mix & max shaders. Character is one that got taken off the market a long long time ago, unfortunately, but if you want pretty V3 characters, look for Kiera's metamorphosis set at that other place - it's terrific. It's also on clearance so get it while you can.

Victoria 4: Medusa character, Bonbon dress by Esha, Cuban diablo shoes. I'm not sure which hair this is, but the shader/texture on it is from Sloshwerks' first or second Iray set (I have all of them, they are all must-have sets!)

Michael 4: Elven hair, Azrael character, Dark Thorn pants, not sure about the shirt.

Genesis 1: Pure Hair Wild, Homeslipperzz, and I think the jeans are by Hongyu. The top has a texture from a shader set, probably from ParrotDolphin.

Genesis 2 Female: Urban Girl outfit, Soleil hair

Genesis 2 Male: Sulaiman character, Eldritch seeker outfit

Genesis 3 Male: Lee 7 character, Rugby shirt. Not sure about the jeans.

Genesis 3 Female: Cork wedge shoes, 3d Wizard's jeanz skirt, Sveva's tethra jewels necklace, Trend Setter blouse with a texture that's probably from one of Diane's FabTex sets

Genesis 8 Female: April Rain top, jeans are some V4 ones by Hongyu that I converted. Hair is OOT's updo without the bangs.

Genesis 8 Male: Hipster outfit shirt, Alt style outfit pants and beanie, Grunge outfit boots. Owen 8 character. Basically all just stuff from the Owen 8 pro bundle!

Io ci ho provato 4 volte prima di poter diventare un PA, mi pare di averlo raccontato qualche volta. Non sono uno che si arrende facilmente, sono caparbio. Ma non è semplice, però lavorare per loro è fantastico!

Si, ho avuto modo di vedere quanto sono rigidi prima di accettare un prodotto.

Per curiosità, che cosa gli avevi inviato che non volevano accettare?

Un set di pose per Michael 2, al tempo era l'unica figura che avevo preso, ma parliamo di anni fa ormai, poi passai a Victoria 4 e boom...dall' oggi a domani sono diventato un PA :) 

OK, that soudns like an issue with the metadata for the Database. You could try opening the Content Library option menu, the lined button in the top corner or right-click the tab, and then seelcting Content DB Maintenance, checking ReImport metadata, and in the final dialogue find Victoria 4 under Products and check her - if she isn't there then something more is goign on.

No matter what I have tried I still can't get the thumbs to show up in 4.12 for

V4.2 base, body shapes, Elite body shapes, morphs++...etc.

The install option does not appear when I right click under the content library

not sure what is going on or how to fix it.

Victoria 4 and most morph expansions cannot be installed through Connect. Can you load the figure through the Content Library>Poser Formats>content directory used>Figures>Daz People?