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Genesis 8 in Carrara
This review of the difference between Genesis 3 and Geness 8 may help. Reminder, that items like differences in the mesh are still available to Carrara users, but that certain weightmapping differences are not.
http://www.digisprawl.com/blog/review/review-daz-3ds-victoria-8/
Genesis 8 in CarraraI am not an expert, so adjust your exectations of my answer accordingly.
Rigging and weight maps describe how each vertex of the mesh is affected by manipulation of the bones of a "skeleton." There are several alternative ways to rig a mesh. It is generally considered an improvement if the rigging (plus any related weightmapping and joint control morphs) provides the end user with (a) more discretion in the ways the mesh can be manipulated, and (b) more realistic simulation of human joint bends that occur without the user having to actually use the discretion.
An example. Carrara native rigging relates each vertex of the mesh to each bone as a single percentage of movement, no matter how the bone is manipulated or how far away the vertex is from the bone. A good thing is that any bone can in theory be made to affect any vertex. Wiggling the big toe can cause the ears to wiggle, if you want. A bad thing is that the relationship is a single value, so the degree of influence will be the same for rotating in the X direction and the Y direction and the Z direction. In comparison, the old Poser legacy rigging allowed for separate falloff zones for each direction of rotation (spheres) that users could adjust in a joint editor. Those spheres could be adjusted, but not really to allow a toe to manipulate an ear without manipulating stuff between. Carrara was able to interpret legacy Poser rigging, which includes up to the Victoria 4 and Michael 4 generation. If a Carrara user models a custom character in Carrara, the Carrara user has the choice of rigging with Carrara's native skeleton tools, or to rig in Poser using its setup tools and save as a Poser CR2, which Carrara can still interpret natively.
Complications - Some rigging changes occurred in Poser starting in Poser 8 or 9 or so. Carrara cannot completely interpret this more advanced Poser system, although Fenric had made a plugin that helped somewhat. To confuse matters, the advanced Poser system was called "weighmapped," and thus one can find figures such as Miki 4 referred to as "weightmapped" even though the term has a more general meaning. The introduction of the Daz3D Genesis figure introduced yet another variant of rigging. Carrara was updated from 8.1 to 8.5 so that Carrara could interpret Genesis rigging natively. Furthermore, if a Carrara user models a custom figure, the Carrara user can rig it Genesis-style in Daz Studio, save as a DUF, and then use the figure natively in Carrara.
Off the Rails, and Back On - The Genesis 3 line of Daz3D figures introduced yet another rigging system (dual quad-yadda-yadda-yadda). This system is supposed to be superior to the Genesis 1-2 system. For the moment, just accept that it is better in some way. Carrara could not load Genesis 3+ figures without crashing. Misty figured out what caused the crashes, but she has not figured out how to make (dual quad-yadda-yadda-yadda) work in Carrara. Instead, with her preset, Carrara users can convert the rigging of related items from (dual yadda yadda yadda) to a system more similar to the Genesis/Genesis2 system of rigging.
What Genesis 3/8 Offer Carrara Users - Even without (dual quad yadda yadda yadda), the Genesis 3/8 figures can be useful. The most obvious is the extra bones in the head/face to aid expressions. Less obvious is that the Genesis 3 base mesh is supposedly better optimized compared to genesis 2. For example, the mesh density in areas more likley to be bent (eg., knees, shoulders) is more appropriate for the bends, yielding more realistic results. Even without (dual yadda yadda yadda), this should yield better results.
What Carrara Users Miss Out On - Dual Quad yadda yadda yadda. Reportedly, this offers "(a) more discretion in the ways the mesh can be manipulated, and (b) more realistic simulation of human joint bends that occur without the user having to actually use the discretion."
In summation, Misty's presets are not some sort of morph to Genesis 2 allowing use of Genesis 3 content. Instead, they are a conversion of the genesis 3 rigging system to something more similar to genesis 1/2 rigging, but the other improvements of Genesis 3+ remain.
Happy to be corrected in the details.
Carrara Challenge #49 - THE FORBIDDEN ZONE WIP (sponsored by DAZ :) Entries closedSuper renders. Love the liquid top to the copy machine.
Here is a render of another forbidden zone, the classic "lover's lane." But what was forbidden? A young lady's desire? Her date's advances? Parking in the lane itself? This is the raw render. I also rendered out various passes. And, I can always drop this render back in Carrara's scene tab and apply some GMIC. I'm sure you think that this is Vicky in a Prom Dress with a Date. Well, this is Stephanie 6, not Victoria. Like to mix it up. In this case, mixing Stephanie 5 curvy with Stephanie 6.

i've re visited this one, is too funny. mebbe he is into a lil slap and tickles lol
Looks like more slap than tickle !
mebbe wa a tickle earned the slap
Do I need to open a support ticket for problems with prices in cart?Does it help at all to post in the forums that an item isn't receiving the discount it should in my cart, or do I need to open a ticket just for that? Victoria 8 and one of the still new releases are in my cart together, but she is not free as advertised.
Carrara Challenge #49 - THE FORBIDDEN ZONE WIP (sponsored by DAZ :) Entries closedSuper renders. Love the liquid top to the copy machine.
Here is a render of another forbidden zone, the classic "lover's lane." But what was forbidden? A young lady's desire? Her date's advances? Parking in the lane itself? This is the raw render. I also rendered out various passes. And, I can always drop this render back in Carrara's scene tab and apply some GMIC. I'm sure you think that this is Vicky in a Prom Dress with a Date. Well, this is Stephanie 6, not Victoria. Like to mix it up. In this case, mixing Stephanie 5 curvy with Stephanie 6.

i've re visited this one, is too funny. mebbe he is into a lil slap and tickles lol
Looks like more slap than tickle !
Genesis 8 in Carraraa couple of toes double feature, aiko 8 and victoria 8
Carrara Challenge #49 - THE FORBIDDEN ZONE WIP (sponsored by DAZ :) Entries closedSuper renders. Love the liquid top to the copy machine.
Here is a render of another forbidden zone, the classic "lover's lane." But what was forbidden? A young lady's desire? Her date's advances? Parking in the lane itself? This is the raw render. I also rendered out various passes. And, I can always drop this render back in Carrara's scene tab and apply some GMIC. I'm sure you think that this is Vicky in a Prom Dress with a Date. Well, this is Stephanie 6, not Victoria. Like to mix it up. In this case, mixing Stephanie 5 curvy with Stephanie 6.

i've re visited this one, is too funny. mebbe he is into a lil slap and tickles lol
I'm looking for a specific set of ear rings for Genesis 8 Female.https://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-piper-hd-for-victoria-7-and-her-jewelry comes with some star studs and https://www.daz3d.com/make-me-punk-shaders-and-decals has some round ones. There are piercing sets for males and females that have some other jewelry.
3D Art Freebie Challenge-October 2019-"Monster Mash" -Entries Thread OnlyWell, I finally have my entry ready.
The girls are out on the town for Halloween surrounded by trick-or-treaters.
Bewitching Beauties
All characters Genesis Base
Freebies:
Die_trying's V4 morphs for Genesis (Tommie,, Ashley, Maria)*
Pin-up Girl Pack (Tommie)*
Ultimate Shader Pack (Chrome shaders—with reflection maps removed—for Ashley's eyes, and Maria's jewelry; Silver shaders Ashley's costume)*
Ella V4 (Tommie's eyes)*
Sandra for V4* (Tommie's skin)*HFS EVAN Expansion set (Ashley's eyes)*
Halloween bag: (trick-or-treaters)*
Dystopia City Blocks 11-20 (sky,road)
Faierie Dreams Freebies Page 1: (four items from same page) Deathrobe for M4 (top link), Tink Dress for V4 (First colum seventh row), Fairy wings for V4 Wings (First colum eigth row, and Leafy Boots Second colum second row. (Jawa trick-or-treater, Fairy trick-or-treater)
Ryuujin (robot trick-or-treater)
Gypsy Style Dress (Maria)*
Textures for Gypsy Dress (Maria)*
Witch Hat for Genesis 8 Female (Maria)
Hoop Earings for #Dream's Lusitana (Maria's Earrings)*
Cat Ears (Ashley)*
Foxy Sorceress (Ashley's tail)*
Catrina Jewelry for Genesis (Ashley)*
TrtlPWR (Turtle boy)*
Genesis bodysuit by Adam Thwaites (Turtle boy)
Zipper Ninja (Turtle boy)*
Grungle Monk (alien)
Halloween for Grungle Monk (alien)
Paid For Items
Willow for Genesis 2 Female (Tommie, Fairy trick-or-treater)Marja Hair for Genesis (Maria, Tommie)
End of Summer Hair for Genesis and Genesis 2 Female (Ashley)
Victoria 4 Hero Pack (Ashley)
Xandra for Genesis (Maria)
No Count ItemsRamwolf's Genesis Morphs (all figures)
Genesis Evolution Head and Body Morphs (all figures)
Sallie Mae Hair (Tommie)
Genesis Scarecrow outfit by Dragonbreath (Tommie)
Pikcet Pets Kitty by 3DUniverse [no longer available] (Cartoon Cat trick-or-treater)
Genesis and MorphsGenesis figures are indeed the actual figures, that you modify using morphs and textures.
Daz also sells figures from earlier generations (Victoria / Michael / The Kids 4 for example, which were the generation before Genesis 1), and a few standalone figures like Cookie and Chip, the Gumdrops, Star!, Sadie and Sam...
There are 4 generations of Genesis available, the latest being G8 Male and Female figures. All Genesis base figures are free with Daz Studio, each has its "starter essentials" package as a separate download from the application.
3D Art Freebie Challenge-October 2019-"Monster Mash" -Main Thread OnlyWell, I finally have my entry ready.
The girls are out on the town for Halloween surrounded by trick-or-treaters.
Bewitching Beauties
All characters Genesis Base
Freebies:
Die_trying's V4 morphs for Genesis (Tommie,, Ashley, Maria)*
Pin-up Girl Pack (Tommie)*
Ultimate Shader Pack (Chrome shaders—with reflection maps removed—for Ashley's eyes, and Maria's jewelry; Silver shaders Ashley's costume)*
Ella V4 (Tommie's eyes)*
Sandra for V4* (Tommie's skin)*HFS EVAN Expansion set (Ashley's eyes)*
Halloween bag: (trick-or-treaters)*
Dystopia City Blocks 11-20 (sky,road)
Faierie Dreams Freebies Page 1: (four items from same page) Deathrobe for M4 (top link), Tink Dress for V4 (First colum seventh row), Fairy wings for V4 Wings (First colum eigth row, and Leafy Boots Second colum second row. (Jawa trick-or-treater, Fairy trick-or-treater)
Ryuujin (robot trick-or-treater)
Gypsy Style Dress (Maria)*
Textures for Gypsy Dress (Maria)*
Witch Hat for Genesis 8 Female (Maria)
Hoop Earings for #Dream's Lusitana (Maria's Earrings)*
Cat Ears (Ashley)*
Foxy Sorceress (Ashley's tail)*
Catrina Jewelry for Genesis (Ashley)*
TrtlPWR (Turtle boy)*
Genesis bodysuit by Adam Thwaites (Turtle boy)
Zipper Ninja (Turtle boy)*
Grungle Monk (alien)
Halloween for Grungle Monk (alien)
Paid For Items
Willow for Genesis 2 Female (Tommie, Fairy trick-or-treater)Marja Hair for Genesis (Maria, Tommie)
End of Summer Hair for Genesis and Genesis 2 Female (Ashley)
Victoria 4 Hero Pack (Ashley)
Xandra for Genesis (Maria)
No Count ItemsRamwolf's Genesis Morphs (all figures)
Genesis Evolution Head and Body Morphs (all figures)
Sallie Mae Hair (Tommie)
Genesis Scarecrow outfit by Dragonbreath (Tommie)
Pikcet Pets Kitty by 3DUniverse [no longer available] (Cartoon Cat trick-or-treater)
All The Links Check Out Plz Move To Entries Thread
3D Art Freebie Challenge-October 2019-"Monster Mash" -Main Thread OnlyWell, I finally have my entry ready.
The girls are out on the town for Halloween surrounded by trick-or-treaters.
Bewitching Beauties
All characters Genesis Base
Freebies:
Die_trying's V4 morphs for Genesis (Tommie,, Ashley, Maria)*
Pin-up Girl Pack (Tommie)*
Ultimate Shader Pack (Chrome shaders—with reflection maps removed—for Ashley's eyes, and Maria's jewelry; Silver shaders Ashley's costume)*
Ella V4 (Tommie's eyes)*
Sandra for V4* (Tommie's skin)*HFS EVAN Expansion set (Ashley's eyes)*
Halloween bag: (trick-or-treaters)*
Dystopia City Blocks 11-20 (sky,road)
Faierie Dreams Freebies Page 1: (four items from same page) Deathrobe for M4 (top link), Tink Dress for V4 (First colum seventh row), Fairy wings for V4 Wings (First colum eigth row, and Leafy Boots Second colum second row. (Jawa trick-or-treater, Fairy trick-or-treater)
Ryuujin (robot trick-or-treater)
Gypsy Style Dress (Maria)*
Textures for Gypsy Dress (Maria)*
Witch Hat for Genesis 8 Female (Maria)
Hoop Earings for #Dream's Lusitana (Maria's Earrings)*
Cat Ears (Ashley)*
Foxy Sorceress (Ashley's tail)*
Catrina Jewelry for Genesis (Ashley)*
TrtlPWR (Turtle boy)*
Genesis bodysuit by Adam Thwaites (Turtle boy)
Zipper Ninja (Turtle boy)*
Grungle Monk (alien)
Halloween for Grungle Monk (alien)
Paid For Items
Willow for Genesis 2 Female (Tommie, Fairy trick-or-treater)Marja Hair for Genesis (Maria, Tommie)
End of Summer Hair for Genesis and Genesis 2 Female (Ashley)
Victoria 4 Hero Pack (Ashley)
Xandra for Genesis (Maria)
No Count ItemsRamwolf's Genesis Morphs (all figures)
Genesis Evolution Head and Body Morphs (all figures)
Sallie Mae Hair (Tommie)
Genesis Scarecrow outfit by Dragonbreath (Tommie)
Pikcet Pets Kitty by 3DUniverse [no longer available] (Cartoon Cat trick-or-treater)
V8 EyebrowsThe Victoria 8 brows have numerous morphs included. They can be found by selecting the brows in the Scene tab, then opening the Parameters tab, clicking on Actor, and scrolling until you see them. They make the brows quite versatile.
Also, SuperNatural Brows has tons of morphs, but the brows are so distinctive that I prefer not to use them on more than two characters per render.
I see no Actor portion of the tree in the Parameters tab. I'm looking at All, after loading the V8 Eyebrow then selecting in the scene tab. There are morphs for V8 regarding brows, but not for the brow object itself.
I purchased the LUXE lashes and brows product. Still no morphs, but more options to choose from.
V8 EyebrowsThe Victoria 8 brows have numerous morphs included. They can be found by selecting the brows in the Scene tab, then opening the Parameters tab, clicking on Actor, and scrolling until you see them. They make the brows quite versatile.
Also, SuperNatural Brows has tons of morphs, but the brows are so distinctive that I prefer not to use them on more than two characters per render.
Daz Studio and LinuxI'm still running EXT4 (external drives in EXT3)
Old. But not obsolete.
Perhaps I'll switchto ZFS
So, remember two things: firstly, write perfomance on usual filesystem greatly degrades at ~85÷90% of capacity used, zfs pools will suffer about 80÷85%. But for home use it does not matter at all. And another thing: never use deduplication unless you sure having a lot of RAM. Oh, a third one: if you need an advise, just ask )
Oh, it'll not be anytime soon - I've had my current drives for a fair few years - i just pulled the internal SDD and HDD out of the last sytem, put them in the new build and booted - had to reconfigure the boot Grub, and change the GPU driver, but beyond that, smooth switch.
I'm still not that confident about HDD drive sizes larger than 3TB
6÷12 TB tends to become mainline, and 6TB are best buy for a moment. Of course, you need GPT partitionning to use more then 2TB capacity, but all modern systems handle this well for years. But all of them are 3.5" form-factor.
Amazon have some 2.5" 4TB Samsung external drive.all my drives are Western Digital, I had several Seagate failures, but every WD has been rock solid
WD and Hitachi niciest to use. Toshiba fine too, but Seagate bad to the bones, since 7200.8 series. you can see it by use hddscan, mhdd or victoria under windows/dos, and whdd under linux.
lot are old USB2, a few are USB3, but I really don't have enough USB ports, so I don't think the USB3s are plugged into the best ports
USB2 less reliable, and much slower for hdd. And it may corrupt your data while transfering.
For a moment, you can find some 2TB all-flash NVME drives, like Samsung 970 Evo or ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro for reasonable price, especially A-Data. And external boxes to fit 2x nvme into 2.5" form factor (4TB superspeed and silence!) with USB3.1 interface... Too expensive for me, but maybe someone find them usefull.
My Daz64 wine prefix is 7.4G
I have Daz, hexagon and all free downloadable content, so mine mostly textures, meshes and lightmaps. But one and only criteria for truth is an experiment.
If you can try to archive one of yours content folders (or a part of single), so gzip-3 shows about 5÷10% more compression rate than LZ4 (mainline in ZFS for now), but LZ, at least, twenty times faster.
Out of interest, what Desktop do you normally use?
Is it always the same one, or do you vary occasionally?
The mouse... XFCE4. But I am looking in tilda dropdown terminal or firefox much more, than on desktop.
Once I tryed i3. It feels like… M'kay, it made for Aliens, by Predators. As ed/vi/vim. Now I am waiting for Wayland coming into mainstream, even with Utani, they both are humans, at all. (I suppose, that my english not so well to joking, but it so hard to not mentition
)
But tiling wm's is good idea anyway.
KDE too crashlike for me. Seriously, I never seen a stable KDE installation. And only heard it, from people, that using just little part, like wm or decorator.
Gmone 3 and Unity are resource-eating junk.
Cinnamon written on JS, and leaks constantly.
Mate eats a little bit more resources, than xfce, with no advantages.
Cairo or any mac-like docks look nice, and, usually, fine to use, but have no tray, or it looks crappy.XFCE and Mate both fine, but cannot unite pinned app launcher and app button. And all docks able to integrate to their panes are abandoned or need compiling.
So, mice is my favorite.Well, if you've an Nvidia card, there's no Wayland yet - otherwise I'd be on Sway, not i3 - KDE Plasma is glitchy on Nvidia drivers and only marginally better with KDE Openbox, Gnome is just annoying after a while - I kind of like the screen setup for multimonitor, but too much else annoys after a bit.
"Aliens by Predators"? Heh!! Tilingwms usually have some sort of indpendant screen (Gnome kind of has it one independant screen), Enlightenment is somewhere close, and there's Openbox multihead - but the rest are a dead loss. i3 is reliable and highly configurable I can lock tags to particular monitors and move them i can lock applications to particular tags and move them - a manual tiler, you can't easily configure any exotic layouts like you can with Awesome or Xmonad - I think I've tried every Window Manager and every desktop from FVWM to CLFSWM (now that's a weird one). Which reminds me, there's a new tiling wm I only read about recently (there's not many new these days, not for Xorg, anyway) 'wtftw' written in Rust.
I used to like Unity - it's not half as heavy as Gnome, and much more elegant - I used to use Ubuntu - I was following and waiting for UnityNext, when they cancelled it, I lost interest in Ubuntu and switched not long after. I've not used XFCE since earlier this decade.
I basically have my own desktop built out of KDE Apps and other bits and bobs - being a Mainframer of old, I'm more comfortable on the CLI a lot of the time - but for file management I just like Dolphin over the alternatives - I'd prefer to still have Konqueror though - tabs and one split isn't enough sometimes - especially in Runtime Content Management.
I don't need a dock or launcher - Rofi or dMenu are good enough - I've sxhkd (a hotkey daemon) run from xsession, and other things setup in xprofile, one of which then calls my startup script wm_startup which sets up everything else, including running Freedesktop startup applications using Dex dependant on which Window Manager I've launched or not at all if a desktop. It's simple, uncluttered and elegant.
I often install Gnome or KDE when a major new release is out, but they don't last long. I've kind of given up on floating (compositing or parenting) desktops.
Daz Studio and LinuxI'm still running EXT4 (external drives in EXT3)
Old. But not obsolete.
Perhaps I'll switchto ZFS
So, remember two things: firstly, write perfomance on usual filesystem greatly degrades at ~85÷90% of capacity used, zfs pools will suffer about 80÷85%. But for home use it does not matter at all. And another thing: never use deduplication unless you sure having a lot of RAM. Oh, a third one: if you need an advise, just ask )
I'm still not that confident about HDD drive sizes larger than 3TB
6÷12 TB tends to become mainline, and 6TB are best buy for a moment. Of course, you need GPT partitionning to use more then 2TB capacity, but all modern systems handle this well for years. But all of them are 3.5" form-factor.
Amazon have some 2.5" 4TB Samsung external drive.all my drives are Western Digital, I had several Seagate failures, but every WD has been rock solid
WD and Hitachi niciest to use. Toshiba fine too, but Seagate bad to the bones, since 7200.8 series. you can see it by use hddscan, mhdd or victoria under windows/dos, and whdd under linux.
lot are old USB2, a few are USB3, but I really don't have enough USB ports, so I don't think the USB3s are plugged into the best ports
USB2 less reliable, and much slower for hdd. And it may corrupt your data while transfering.
For a moment, you can find some 2TB all-flash NVME drives, like Samsung 970 Evo or ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro for reasonable price, especially A-Data. And external boxes to fit 2x nvme into 2.5" form factor (4TB superspeed and silence!) with USB3.1 interface... Too expensive for me, but maybe someone find them usefull.
My Daz64 wine prefix is 7.4G
I have Daz, hexagon and all free downloadable content, so mine mostly textures, meshes and lightmaps. But one and only criteria for truth is an experiment.
If you can try to archive one of yours content folders (or a part of single), so gzip-3 shows about 5÷10% more compression rate than LZ4 (mainline in ZFS for now), but LZ, at least, twenty times faster.
Out of interest, what Desktop do you normally use?
Is it always the same one, or do you vary occasionally?
The mouse... XFCE4. But I am looking in tilda dropdown terminal or firefox much more, than on desktop.
Once I tryed i3. It feels like… M'kay, it made for Aliens, by Predators. As ed/vi/vim. Now I am waiting for Wayland coming into mainstream, even with Utani, they both are humans, at all. (I suppose, that my english not so well to joking, but it so hard to not mentition
)
But tiling wm's is good idea anyway.
KDE too crashlike for me. Seriously, I never seen a stable KDE installation. And only heard it, from people, that using just little part, like wm or decorator.
Gmone 3 and Unity are resource-eating junk.
Cinnamon written on JS, and leaks constantly.
Mate eats a little bit more resources, than xfce, with no advantages.
Cairo or any mac-like docks look nice, and, usually, fine to use, but have no tray, or it looks crappy.XFCE and Mate both fine, but cannot unite pinned app launcher and app button. And all docks able to integrate to their panes are abandoned or need compiling.
So, mice is my favorite.Black Is Beautiful IITessa at work in her ATLAS Armored Suit.(Sorry, can't recall which DZFire vehicle that is at the moment). Just playing around with this, not sure if it is done or not yet.
why is genesis 8 considered better than genesis 3?I think the question should be "aside from content, why is G8 considered better". Because it isn't really fair to judge the content with G8 getting an extended run.As unfair as it might seem, it is still a criterion to take into account. Volume of content is one of the main reasons that the Victoria/Genesis lines have been so successful compared to other 3D figures.
It might not be notable from an upgrading perspective, but if one had to recommend one generation over the other to a complete newbie, we're now at the point where we can confidently advise them that that G8 has more native content than G3.
And actually, I'm not digging the A pose as much.Well, it is significant from a content creation and technical point of view, even if by the time it reaches the end user those advantages are fairly invisible; if I were choosing to create a new figure, I'd pick A-pose over T-pose.
is the HD expressions an add on?
do you mean these?
https://www.daz3d.com/hd-visemes-for-genesis-8-female
thanks.
It's one of the basic Daz add-on packs: https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-female-expressions
(Interestingly, the blurb there only mentions that they're HD in the "What's included" section, although if you compare to the https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-female-expressions promo pictures, the difference is stark).
EDIT: Now correctly linking the G3 expression pack for the comparison...
why is genesis 8 considered better than genesis 3?Better expressions and all these morph kits (that is, PA support) make Genesis 8 a much better experience for me. I still use Genesis 3 as well, and the other day I noticed how flat the lip edges of a G3M looked, but there's no lip detail/crease morph for G3M. Of course, once Zev0 releases his morph converter (after my clothing/hair converter experiences, I decided to wait on his version), then G3M will be in better shape. But I'm thinking Daz will have to do something really gamechangingly spectacular with Genesis X before I adopt it.
Or maybe they could just release a feminine Victoria and a masculine Michael---instead of the reverse---and that might be my tipping point.
Choli? (link to example)I'm not really understanding what the difference is between that top and the ones in https://www.daz3d.com/saree-for-genesis-8-female-and-victoria-8 and https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-bollywood-bride-for-genesis-8-females -- is there one?
Also, anjeli93 at Renderosity has both a Traditional Indian outfit and a Ghagra Choli outfit.
I agree with you The choli is a basic piece of Indian clothing, and is worn with either a Sari, or a Lehenga or as you say a Ghagra. THere isn't much difference between a Lehenga and a Ghagra The Ghagra is an everyday item of clothing (a skirt to our western eyes) and the Lehenga is fancier for parties and weddings
I posted my images to show just how basic it can be.















