Hi, I recently discovered about Daz 3D, and to put it shortly - it is one of the best things that I wanted, and I'm happy for having it. Now, about the issue - Install Manager (it'll refer to it as DIM from now) cannot keep in it's memory what it did installed. I install nost of the things it lists, but the lists keep changing, and include what was already installed. Despite that, I can actually use things that I installed, like Daz 3D itself and some of its addons, including 3-rd party stuff, with only potential exception being some starter essential things missing for Genesis 9, where the only thing I know I miss for it is body skins, but I have model itself. The only thing I know that can be potential cause of this is, in my understanding, - by something different in my placement of my library/libraries. I don't know if that can be related, but I want let to know just in case - I installed Daz Central, and deleted it. I was in one of Daz Discords servers where I was originally getting some help, but suddenly all of it's chats got locked for reason(s) I don't know, so I decided to go here. I'll appreciate anyone who would try to give help, and I'll be answering questions and do requests that would can better understand the cause of the issue.

several, actualy - Alberta, Central Ontario and possibly Quebec..

kyoto kid said:

hacsart said:

well, at least the tornado was way north of us.. and in the last 3 hours we have picked up strong winds and the temp went from 29C to 16C (over 3 hours or so)

...a tornado, to the north, in Canada? 

That seems to be a product error - the morphs are in \data\daz 3d\genesis 9\genesis 9 eyes\shapes instead of \data\daz 3d\genesis 9\genesis 9 eyes\morphs, as far as I know that will not work. If you isntalled manually of through Daz Central/DIM you could, on Windows, try renaming the Shapes folder to Morphs (assuming it has only that product's morphs) or just drag the /color galeria/ folder across to the morphs folder but I will flag this up.

I never buy oranges or grapefruit unless I'm in Florida, in season, with a car, so that I can drive to the groves and get some ripened on the tree, picked that morning, from a little old lady in a 70 year old, open-air, fruit shack, and she cuts one open for me to try.   I got too used to having orange and grapefruit trees in the back yard, and I know what good ones, really good ones, are supposed to taste like.  Mmmm... tree-ripened, fresh picked, gushing juicy, oranges and sweet, pink, grapefruit.  I'm spoiled.   Grocery store citrus sucks royal swamp water.  Make do with the bottles or with frozen cans, with pulp, or just pony up ($$$) for the "best" citrus the elite groceries carry, and juice them yourselves.  Or cheat and get those narrow, serrated front edge spoons to scoop out the pulp slices.  Bury them with sugar, and settle. 

Yep, ripen on the tree.  The only way to get your citrus.   But do it soon.  The citrus industry in Florida is hurting.  My favorite fruit stands in Brevard County (Melbourne & Cocoa Beach area), named "Harvey's" and "Indian River Citrus" are gone.  80% of Florida's groves have been infected with Citrus Canker disease.

 

Here's a Typical large Florida citrus stand: 

  But the best fruit often comes from the little stands from private farms that sell to the big canneries, but where they also manage a few trees for the fresh-pick, discerning crowd in the little stand managed by momma or one of the kids.  There is (perhaps was), a great little stand in central Florida near Avon Park and Sebring.  I know (knew) how to get there, but don't know the name or address.  And they probably don't have a web page anyway.  Oops, found it.  Last time I was there was 10 years ago. https://maxwellgrovescountrystore.com/

 

Non-complaint:  I'm so glad that I experienced Florida before it became Paradise Lost.

 

Orangutan navels don't sound appetizing at all. 

 

Edited to add:  One more bit of citrus advice.  If you want a GOOD orange, try "tangelos".  Cross between a tangerine and orange.  When you get fresh ones (thin skin, they dry out quickly), they are juicy and very easy to peel.  But they have a very short season.  You have to ask, and be ready to buy when they become available, if you want the good ones.

Seems daz people don't answer support for some reason sevveral of my products get this issue

https://i.imgur.com/qt0vQnG.png

have tried everything from resintalling to restarting daz central etc.

these were expensive so just give me refund please

So today I was reading a legal document about a lawsuit involving a bunch of insurance companies, various claimants, a bunch of capuchins and the people who salvaged the gold from the wreck of the S.S. Central America...

In case you aren't familiar with the incident, back on September 3rd of the year 1857, the blackhulled, three decked, side-wheeler, S.S. Central America left Panama for New York City, carrying over six hundred people and around $1,600,00 in gold... real gold, not those "genuine gold plated" commemorative coins, shady offshore minting companies try to sell to gullible old people in between reverse mortgage and "free" medical equipment commercials on cable news channels... some of that real gold was still in actual nugget and dust format... but regardless of that format, none of the gold ever made it to NYC because on the second day out the Central America sailed right into a hurricane and by the 12th it was heading to the bottom.

Only 153 people survived and at the time it was one of the greatest maritime disasters known... 

Back when it sank, a number of people stepped forward with assorted loony plans on how to salvage the wreck, the least loony of which was a plan that involved inventing a submarine to go down deep enough to reach the wreck which they thought was resting at 168 feet down... they were very wrong... it was actually sitting at around 8,000 feet, but even at the more comfortable depth, they didn't have the technology to reach anywhere near that.

Nothing came of any of that, and the wreck remained undisturbed for over one hundred and twenty-something years...

Eventually in the 1970s someone figured out where it might be and by 1987, someone managed to bring up a chunk of the wreckage (I believe it was some coal and rust) and that set off a legal battle as to who actually had claim to the fortune... the salvage company or the various insurance companies (actually 39), most of which no longer existed in their original form who had paid out settlements back in the 19th century, descendents of the deceased and some capuchins.

I'm going to wrap it all up because the rest isn't very interesting, the long story short is that after a lot of arguments about who abandoned what and that saying you paid out a lot of money a hundred plus years ago, but unfortunately don't have any paperwork to prove that because you burned it a hundred years ago isn't the same as actually maintaining a claim and showing you intend to try and salvage your gold somehow and that, and especially if you didn't even know where the gold was or it's actually amount, after so much time and with so little to back up your claim, most of that money should go to the people who actually found and salvaged that gold... I'm not even going to get into the part where the head of the salvage team ended up going to jail because he absconded with 500 gold coins, which as far as I can tell have never been recovered.

The part that really confused me was the references to capuchins... and the single reference to capuchin monks... 

Which I automatically assumed meant capuchin monkeys, because... A: People sue animals/pets for inheritance money all the time... 2: Monkeys recently sued a guy for rights to a picture they took... ♦: People in general can't spell and often leave out lettes... D: Primates are notoriously litigious... and 6: As far as I knew "Capuchins" are those little "organ grinder" monkeys... Thats "organ grinder", as in the musical instrument street entertainers would play while their pet monkey would caper about begging for handouts or picking people's pockets... depending on their skill level... not the culinary device used to grind up biological organs into a thick Organ Smoothie... which is far more disgusting than it sounds... if you've never seen a movie from the 30s... they all featured capuchin monkeys to some degree... in fact Lewis Milestone's WW1 pacifist drama "All Quite On The Western Front" was originally entirely cast using capuchin monkey actors, but when the monkeys had difficulty reciting certain lines and refraining from poop throwing, Universal Pictures which at the time was run by a consortium of humans and orangutans, decided to dub in the dialogue and replace some capuchins with human actors...
But anyway, if you aren't familiar with any of that, one of the most famous capuchin monkeys in recent times has to be "Marcel" the pet monkey that was a briefly a cast member of the television comedy series "Friends"...  

If you look it up, Marcel is the sorter cast member that usually appears next or on the shoulder of human actor David Schwimmer (Ross)... Apparently, Schwimmer and the monkey have a long standing feud because in an interview Schwimmer once said "I hate that monkey" and the monkey (or his trainer) then accused Schwimmer of having monkey envy because everyone liked the monkey more than Ross and really wanted to see Marcel and Rachel start dating and eventually replace Ross as a main cast member thus becoming new sixth "Friend", or seventh, if they couldn't get rid of Ross entirely.

But anyway, I was very confused as to how a bunch of monkeys could afford to sue a salvage company or how they even had any legal footing in such a matter...

Apparently, back in 1984, a different salvage venture (Santa Fe Communications,Inc.) probably not run by monkeys, paid Columbia University (only partially run by monkeys) $300,000 to survey a 400 square mile area of the Atlantic Ocean... Columbia's researcher (who may or may not have been a monkey... it's never specifically mentioned), one Dr. William "B.F" Ryan was able to identify seven "targets" on the ocean floor... one of which (#4) he believed to be the wreck of the Central America... Santa Fe decided it was unlikely they'd be able to do anything to recover gold due to various technological issues and uncertainty of the aforementioned target being the wreckage and not a cleverly disguised sea monster, so they did nothing to pursue that possibility and Columbia eventually transferred "any and all rights and interests arising from undersea salvage operations" to a "Catholic monastic order of Capuchins"...

Okay... I did not pay a lot of attention in Catholic school when I was a kid... I drew a lot and wrote long weird stories my English teachers told me were horrible, poorly written, had really bad spelling and grammar and would eventually be the reason I went to hell... so it's no surprise to me that somehow I missed that monkeys could become monks... which is very redundant seeming... not to mention confusing as well... I guess I knew the thing about Saint Augustine of the Hippopotamuses, but I thought that was just a one off... you get one holy hippo here or there, sure... but monkeys too?

What else did I miss?... Saint Stanley of the Sea Lions, or Saint Larry of the Kangaroos?

Ok... Well, regardless, it turns out throughout the document there arose another drama because at some point two guys realized the rights might be valuable and purchased them from the monkey monks... (see, confusing... you probably thought I stuttered there)... 

The document then went on to include a new drama... once it was clear the company that had already salvaged some of the wreckage as proof of its existence was onto something, two individuals involved in the commission of the original abandoned survey which Columbia turned over the rights to, realized the value of those rights and purchased them from the monks for $10...

I was now pretty sure these were monkey monks because, and I'm not making this up, when I was a little kid, my step-grandfather actually had a capuchin monkey and I routinely had to trick him into not murdering me (the monkey, not my step grandfather)... and as murdery as these delightful little monkeys can be, they are often easily distracted... as was that monkey...
You see, my step grandfather actually used to own a pet shop and that monkey had a bad habit of harassing customers and stealing things, so instead of keeping him in cage or donating him to a monastery, my grandfather took him home... which was probably what drove this monkey mad... apparently he hated "The Honeymooners" and my grandfather watched that series over and over... it was on late at night and my grandfather would fall asleep watching it and they played several episodes in a row and apparently at some point the monkey snapped and decided he'd kill all humans... 

I could totally relate to Charlton Heston in the Planet of the Apes when he didn't want those damn dirty apes touching him... only they weren't trying to bite him every time they laid eyes on him... but anyway, I learned how to distract that damn dirty monkey (he really did smell bad too), so I genuinely figured these guys bought $10 worth of bananas or party favors (never give an already psychotic monkey a party noisemaker) and tricked the monkeys into handing over the document...

 Well, apparently, according to the document the monkey monks realized they were being hoodwinked and protested and the two guys agreed relinquish one third of whatever they recovered in the case...

I immediately became suspicious of my previous assumptions... even through capuchin monkeys might be smart enough to not be lured into a running wood chipper, they aren't skilled enough to make a sufficient argument potentially worth millions of actual dollars...

So I probably Googled something like "can capuchin monkeys really become monks" and I ended up finding out that there is an order of human monks that get their name from their hoods (a "cappuccio") and that they didn't invent cappuccino, but it gets its name from the color of their robes and that the monkey are named as such because of their fur pattern which looks like the monk's robes with the hoods down... and after looking around, I found a less confusing document, an online Legal Opinion which is basically a summary of the case written in a less legalese complicated format.

Its still rather boring, but if I'd have read that first, it would have mentioned right off that the monks were probably human and I wouldn't have had to write this, because I'd have probably found something else entirely stupid to write about and you wouldn't have eye strain and now require special corrective lenses... 

Honestly, I seriously doubt anyone is still reading this... and I'm actually kinda bored now... I don't even remember why I started reading the original document in the first place or why or how I started writing this here...

But the takeaway is there are no monkey monks and both cappuccino and nasty tempered kleptomaniac monkeys got their names from an order of monks that are really swell guys... I'm not looking up anything about the hippopotamus saint because I don't want to find out I remembered that wrong... I prefer to live in a world where hippopotamuses and kangaroos and possibly sea lions could have been important historical figures.

Anyway... you've read enough for today, so go take a nap or eat something... maybe even rub some eye medication into your eyeballs... you've earned it.

Bye.

If you are using DIM (or DAZ Central) to install your content, do not log in to Daz Studio, it is only necessary when one makes a concious and informed decision to use Daz Connect inside DS as their primary method for installing content.
When Daz Connect inside DS is installing content, it uses a different address that the other installation methods (taking twice the storage space if installed with DIM and Connect) and the installations made with Daz Connect take priority over the installations with all the other methods, even when the Daz Connect installed files are incomplete or corrupt (not uncommon).

You didn't say from which character you "got rid of all the Base Pose head and Expression files". If you deleted the files from G8 morph folders, then you deleted ones that should not be deleted.

I tried using daz Connect though. The problem with that was that it still showed up uninstalled in DIM. I did't want to just hide them because they will only show up later on. I'm trying daz central now. I'll see if it works out. Thanks

And what installer did you use? DIM or Daz Central?

https://www.daz3d.com/stardust-saloon

There is a bar down the street from me called Stardust Lounge which was featured in a movie. I can't remember which movie unfortunately, but it was like one of those wow moments when I saw this product in the DAZ Shop!

So anyway, when I saw this new environment from Stonemason I just had to put it on my Wishlist.

I can see so many possibilities for this awesome Cyberpunk saloon, and I can't wait to purchase. Unfortunately I have a budget.   But soon!

If anyone can remember the movie this lounge was in, please let me know. I wish I could remember. It was like a 4 star movie from the early 2000's.

But the lounge is kind of the central gathering point in the movie, and it does have some big name stars in it. My memory is fading. 

Can I get the DAZ sleuths on this? 

stylish attic comfort chair.duf (1,1): Syntax error - expected '{' or '['
stylish attic bed.duf (1,1): Syntax error - expected '{' or '['

The files are incomplete/corrupted, which is not uncommon when installing products with DAZ Connect inside DS (in 'Smart' Content)

One of the problems using DAZ Connect to install ones products is that one cannot fix the issues by using DIM, DAZ Central or manual installation, because DAZ Connect installed versions take priority, even when they are not working.

I must admit to caring about the wiki for two very selfish reasons. I am a total cheapskate and love a central resource for finding free stuff, and secondly, I am foolishly attached to a couple of older characters and still enjoying using them despite their limitations. This needs access to stuff that has mostly disappeared, and that's the biggest strength of PoserDazFreebies with all the references to the WayBackMachine entries (it's absolutely miraculous that you can find them). Regards, Richard.

As long as you didn't have one content directory inside another the paths will all have been saved relative to the content directory and won't care where it is or what it is called - only yhe install manager/Daz Central Manifests care about the absolute location.

DanaTA said:

carrie58 said:

Complaint:2 weeks ago my HVAC unit died the DEATH of no return ,So I've been getting estimates from different companies ,only one of which listened to what I want and my budget .Then also needed to have a termite control come out ,termite nest was found in the yard at the base of one of the pines. 1 guy refused service because the opening into the crawl space was too small ,1 never showed up ,the 3rd did show up and went under the house ,while under there he broke a water line , on the plus side he paid to have it repaired but still ,the punches keep coming .This week it has rained alot and the temperature is climbing ,and of course there is a leak in my roof .To be able to sleep my son put in a window unit in my bedroom,and it's only working on high ......which I shouldn't complain about but feel silly using AC and a blanket ........Oh and to top it off my youngest daughter's SO just found out he has rectal cancer ........which makes my complaints seem trival .....

NON-COMPLAINT: My oldest daughter's husband finally went to trial for trying to murder her, and  was found guilty on 3 counts , now we wait to find out the sentencing

My central A/C went out two summers ago.  I bought  a window unit that is not your average unit.  It uses inversion technology.  It runs really quiet, and uses less power.  Last summer, my electric bills were considerably lower than the previous year using the central air.  The thing is made by Midea, called a U-Shaped unit.  Check it out.  We don't set it too cold, we don't like to be cold.  But it does a decent job of keeping it comfortable for us.  If I had the money, I'd get another one for my office.  Last year, my nephew brought an old window unit for my office.  Noisy.  And cold.  But between the two, my house was comfy.  

Thank you for that suggestion @DanaTA ,that would work for the summer and maybe I could save some money ,to be able to do something about heat for the winter ,right now I've got a small window AC for the bedroom ,and a couple of box fans in the windows for the rest of the house ......

carrie58 said:

Complaint:2 weeks ago my HVAC unit died the DEATH of no return ,So I've been getting estimates from different companies ,only one of which listened to what I want and my budget .Then also needed to have a termite control come out ,termite nest was found in the yard at the base of one of the pines. 1 guy refused service because the opening into the crawl space was too small ,1 never showed up ,the 3rd did show up and went under the house ,while under there he broke a water line , on the plus side he paid to have it repaired but still ,the punches keep coming .This week it has rained alot and the temperature is climbing ,and of course there is a leak in my roof .To be able to sleep my son put in a window unit in my bedroom,and it's only working on high ......which I shouldn't complain about but feel silly using AC and a blanket ........Oh and to top it off my youngest daughter's SO just found out he has rectal cancer ........which makes my complaints seem trival .....

NON-COMPLAINT: My oldest daughter's husband finally went to trial for trying to murder her, and  was found guilty on 3 counts , now we wait to find out the sentencing

My central A/C went out two summers ago.  I bought  a window unit that is not your average unit.  It uses inversion technology.  It runs really quiet, and uses less power.  Last summer, my electric bills were considerably lower than the previous year using the central air.  The thing is made by Midea, called a U-Shaped unit.  Check it out.  We don't set it too cold, we don't like to be cold.  But it does a decent job of keeping it comfortable for us.  If I had the money, I'd get another one for my office.  Last year, my nephew brought an old window unit for my office.  Noisy.  And cold.  But between the two, my house was comfy.  

PerttiA said:

Not even DAZ itself is pushing Daz Central anymore, they have changed the page "Download Studio" to one that promotes DIM instead of Daz Central.

Thanks. Good to know.

nemesis10 said:

Daz Central is sort of a simplier less flexible version of Install Manager (strictly speaking Daz Install Manager or DIM).  If you want something that you don't have to configure, opt for Daz Central; if you are going to do customization such as placing libraries on external drives etc then use DIM  

Thanks.

One important differencew, as I understand it, is incidental vs deliberate use - if soemthing is there and just caught in shot, and not the main focus of the image, it is incidental and potentially OK but deliberately placing something in the shot, especially if it is central to the image, is less liekly to be permissible. With 3D everything is a delibertae placement, especially if it is sought out for the purpose, and in this case the use of the particular design is clearly essential to the image.

Sorry, I don't use DAZ Central. Typically, I use the Daz Install Manager or do it manually.  Perhaps trying one or both of those methods would work better?  You can get the zip files for a manual install from your Product Library. Then just unzip to a new folder on the desktop. You'll see the folder structure and that'll tell you where all the bits and pieces belong in Daz Studio.  Then a quick copy/paste and you're good to go!  You may not get all the fancy Smart Content MetaData. But you should be able to find the items and use them.
Another thought... did you look inside the section labled "Products" in your Library?  That Appliance Pack is an old item ( I bought it  when Poser was the only game in town!). Sometimes those older things get put in the Products section instead of where you might expect it.  Click to expand it and  look for it. 

Not even DAZ itself is pushing Daz Central anymore, they have changed the page "Download Studio" to one that promotes DIM instead of Daz Central.