crashworship said:

Richard Haseltine said:

You have the Enable Iray Matte button there now, so you are using the old version of the script. Did you install the update for the Default Resources? How did you install? If using an external tool (DIM, Daz Central, manually unzipping) make sure that you do not also have an daz Connect (through Daz Studio) install, which will take precedence. Also make sure, if you have more than one content diectory, that there isn't an older version of the script in another content directory.

I installed via DIM and installed all available option, including "Defalt Resources". Install manager sez they are "Default Resources for DAZ Studio 2.41+". There's no option to download and install anything else.

 

Richard Haseltine said:

You have the Enable Iray Matte button there now, so you are using the old version of the script. Did you install the update for the Default Resources? How did you install? If using an external tool (DIM, Daz Central, manually unzipping) make sure that you do not also have an daz Connect (through Daz Studio) install, which will take precedence. Also make sure, if you have more than one content diectory, that there isn't an older version of the script in another content directory.

I installed via DIM and installed all available option, including "Defalt Resources". Install manager sez they are "Default Resources for DAZ Studio 2.41+". There's no option to download and install anything else.

Central is being deprecated? If they truly both have the same backend, then I'm astounded by that. It would make more sense to bring the additional functionality of the DIM interface into Central. Sending users back to DIM is akin to Microsoft canning currently supported Windows interfaces in favour of 3.1's. I think someone at Daz is seriously missing the additional usability features present in Central that DIM sorely lacks.

I'm not usually one to comment critically on software product decisions because that's the industry I'm in and I know all the hidden business and technical reasons for things that users never see. But I'm also a UX Engineer and I can't fathom how this decision can end well for Daz. Seriously scratching my head here :'D

You have the Enable Iray Matte button there now, so you are using the old version of the script. Did you install the update for the Default Resources? How did you install? If using an external tool (DIM, Daz Central, manually unzipping) make sure that you do not also have an daz Connect (through Daz Studio) install, which will take precedence. Also make sure, if you have more than one content diectory, that there isn't an older version of the script in another content directory.

I have to say i quite liked the asset view in daz central as often i would forget what something was called but could visualy find it using the daz central grid view which was nice and fast.

could that be retained?

paulawp (marahzen) said:

Hopefully there will be some information forthcoming on the best and safest way for Daz Central users to deal the stuff that's installed and working fine, that DIM is not up to date on (and hopefully any other not-so-obvious problems that are inevitably going to present themselves when having to switch to DIM). I'd rather not mangle a perfectly good, working Daz instance taking the wrong steps to deal with this issue. And considering that it took me more than two weeks of evenings to build this computer a year ago - and I've bought a lot of stuff since then - I sure don't want to end up with a hopeless mess that necessitates a complete reinstall.

I'm not a complainer by nature either, but I am definitely bummed out by this news. This hobby is supposed to be for fun. I do software support as a day job - I want to minimize how much gratuitous software support I spend my fun time on.

DIM and Daz Central work from the same lists, they are different front-ends for the same back-end.

Hopefully there will be some information forthcoming on the best and safest way for Daz Central users to deal the stuff that's installed and working fine, that DIM is not up to date on (and hopefully any other not-so-obvious problems that are inevitably going to present themselves when having to switch to DIM). I'd rather not mangle a perfectly good, working Daz instance taking the wrong steps to deal with this issue. And considering that it took me more than two weeks of evenings to build this computer a year ago - and I've bought a lot of stuff since then - I sure don't want to end up with a hopeless mess that necessitates a complete reinstall.

I'm not a complainer by nature either, but I am definitely bummed out by this news. This hobby is supposed to be for fun. I do software support as a day job - I want to minimize how much gratuitous software support I spend my fun time on.

chris-2599934 said:

How much do you want to bet that the "enhanced" Install Manager will simultaneously annoy DIM users (like me) who are quite happy with how it's working now thank you very much, and Daz Central users who are equally happy with what they have?

With all the things that Daz could be investing time and money in, why choose something where they already have two working tools?

Try it and see - the enhancements have been rolled out in recent builds, while there may be more to come it is already in its replace Daz Central state.

SapphireBlue said:

Oh no.  I don't generally like to complain, but I'm not feeling happy about this. I'm with paulawp (marahzen). I've been using  DAZ Central pretty much for everything since day one, with no issues that I can think of. Very occasionally I open up DIM for some odd reason and it doesn't seem to think many of the things I've installed ARE installed. DAZ Central's layout always seemed more transparent and visually cleaner. It's easy to search for things in DAZ Central and I end up doing that all the time, to find things and open them up in DS that way. I've grown fond of it.

Well, I hope the new DIM has been updated to do better than that? Guess I'll have to open it up and see... 

DIM now has the ability to launch applications it has installed, as Central can. It doesn't have, and there is no indication it is currently planned to have, the larger images in the list (we can have larger images in the pop-up tooltips, that has been the case fro some time).

Will DAZ Central not work at all? Or will it just not allow us to install new things and stuff going forward etc. but still be available for looking at previously installed products?

Daz cenrtal will not be able to download and isntall content - it will just prompt to update to DIM.

I updated to the latest DIM version. Is this the new version? I'm not seeing any difference in the interface. Where can we find out what the new enhancements to DIM are and any updated documentation? The current documentation didn't leave me all the wiser. I'm not sure how to see order dates for items, or how to bring up product thumbnails in the product list.

DIM still shows thousands of items as not installed, which as with all my other DAZ store items were previously installed through DAZ Central at the usual location. Interface-wise DAZ Central is so much more intuitive, and the information is so much easier to take in at a glance and to sort/browse as well. Can they not be allowed to co-exist as they have done so far?

 

How much do you want to bet that the "enhanced" Install Manager will simultaneously annoy DIM users (like me) who are quite happy with how it's working now thank you very much, and Daz Central users who are equally happy with what they have?

With all the things that Daz could be investing time and money in, why choose something where they already have two working tools?

stmercy2020_9aea6b9c04 said:

DoctorJellybean said:

stmercy2020_9aea6b9c04 said:

DoctorJellybean said:

stmercy2020_9aea6b9c04 said:

DoctorJellybean said:

stmercy2020_9aea6b9c04 said:

After updating to 4.22, I am also having a problem with Daz crashing to desktop whenever I attempt an Iray preview or render. I'm including the error message and a copy of my log file. I'm running a Ryzen 9 5950X 16 core processor with 12 threads enabled, 128 GB RAM, Win10 64 Home, and a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 GPU with 12GB VRAM.

Any suggestions for how to fix this would be greatly appreciated.

What does your scene contains? Same scene or different scenes?

I've been able to render very simple scenes, but any time I'm using 3 or more G8s, it crashes. This particular scene has 3 G8s and a kitbash of several older environments in it in order to make a salvage yard. 

...Also, I'm an idiot- I said Win10 Home; I meant Win11 Home.

Are you using an OOT hair by any chance? Are the NVIDIA drivers up to date?

Ah! That explains it- I thought I wasn't, but apparently the Classic Bob Hair is an OOT hair. Is it an issue with the textures or with the geometry, do you know? Because I could change the textures easily enough.

Select the hair, look in the Surfaces pane for the Transmitted Color property. If it contains a map, remove it. Most of the OOT hairs have been fixed, some might have fallen between the cracks.

That fixed it! Thanks, man. Good lookin' out. 

It is, as I recall, a shared file - so if you installed an unfixed hair last, using DIM/Daz Central/manual - or if you have hairs installed to multiple content directories and DS finds the unfixed file first, or if it grabs an unfixed files from all the installed products if you use Connect then you will get the issue with all OOT hairs, regardless of whether or not they have been updated. If you use DIM etc., check for a fixed file (it should be in the readme) and reinstall that to try to overwrite the bad shared file.

richardandtracy said:

Will confess that I'm a dinosaur. I don't use either DIM or Central. I have felt that there seemed to be more frequent and more serious problems with Central than DIM. But, what we don't hear is how many systems run one or the other without problems. Once again, feel like an onlooker waiting for a car crash that I hope isn't going to happen. Regards, Richard.

You are not alone.  I download everything as zip files, unzip to a folder where I can check which folders they are going to, make any changes I see fit and then copy to my DS Content directory.  The only time I use Daz Install Manager is to download the DS Beta, or for some add-ons which are Install Manager-only. 

Oh no.  I don't generally like to complain, but I'm not feeling happy about this. I'm with paulawp (marahzen). I've been using  DAZ Central pretty much for everything since day one, with no issues that I can think of. Very occasionally I open up DIM for some odd reason and it doesn't seem to think many of the things I've installed ARE installed. DAZ Central's layout always seemed more transparent and visually cleaner. It's easy to search for things in DAZ Central and I end up doing that all the time, to find things and open them up in DS that way. I've grown fond of it.

Well, I hope the new DIM has been updated to do better than that? Guess I'll have to open it up and see... 

Will DAZ Central not work at all? Or will it just not allow us to install new things and stuff going forward etc. but still be available for looking at previously installed products?

People are confusing Daz Central and Daz Connect in this thread.

Weren't there Daz Central exclusive items? What will happen to those?

Will confess that I'm a dinosaur. I don't use either DIM or Central. I have felt that there seemed to be more frequent and more serious problems with Central than DIM. But, what we don't hear is how many systems run one or the other without problems. Once again, feel like an onlooker waiting for a car crash that I hope isn't going to happen. Regards, Richard.

Well, that seriously stinks. What kind of chaos is that going to cause on a computer that has been almost 100% installed from day one - glitch-free - with DazCentral, where I have almost never used DIM for installing? DIM thinks hundreds of things that are installed and working fine need to be installed. Ugh, what a pain.

I have yet to figure out the hate for Daz Central, unless it's not entirely compatible with earlier DIM-installed products, in which case this bodes badly for me. I've set up two different computers entirely with DazCentral only, and I've never had a problem finding and using products installed with it. If there are lurking compatibility issues, then I look forward to all the trouble that future installs with DIM are going to cause (no, I don't).

This feels like a big change. Wasn't Daz Central supposed to become more important over time?

I know lots of poeple hate it for various reasons and never use it. I suspect these are mainly long-time users who came to Daz before it existed. Personally, I have used it quite a lot, especially as a quick way to check if I have certain items and get access to store page descriptions. 

I certainly hope the new DIM will have options to  (a) display product images as clearly as Daz Central does (b) give quick access back to the store pages for items.  

 

Well I was a doofus and didn't know 4.22 was dropping when it did, I have an offline installer for im00013176-02_dazstudio421 but I didn't pull down the latest and greatest installer for im00013176-05_dazstudio421 before 422 was posted, I normally never adopt a first release of software (no offense), I do it IRL as well.. but I also have a lab machine that I tweak and experiment with that I don't pay any attention to whether it screwes up my personal layouts etc becasue its only for science ;)   so I have a quick routine to format reinstall and boom basics back up and running.. Except previously I just fired up Central and let it do its thing.. now I don't have that liberty. I remeber there "used" to be a repository that I could grab earlier versions but can't for the life of me find it.. would any kind soul happen to have that link so I could get the most up to date ver before the leap to 4.22?? Thank you in advance.