JOdel said:

And, hint; claiming that it needs the latest version of Studio *is not a selling point*. 

 I've been a bit out of the loop recently - ist there some sort of giant problem with the new version of Studio, that one should know about, before installing it? 

Sorry for the OT...kind of surprised about the new Victoria - her physique looks a lot more 'normal 'than earlier versions of Vicky. Which ain't a bad thing at all, just seems to me this would have been traditionally Stephanie's niche, with Victoria usually being some sort of giant supermodel character.

Other than that, I don't find most of the differences / improvements between 8.0 and 8.1 I've been seeing so far not particulalry striking, but on the other hand, I also don't see much of a downside. Just...Bethany 8.1, please? Or Lilith? Or Rune? I'll upgrade for that!

rayglendenning said:

plasma_ring said:

Daikatana said:

OK, after reading through this thread, I have three points to put forward:

1) G8.1/Victoria 8.1is more of an update with extended/changed functionality than a completely new figure.  Not sure why we should be paying full price for an updated version.  Also the neck seam issue and the issue surrounding geoshells ( used most often for makeup and tattoos) are problematic to say the least.

Victoria 8.1 costs the same as the other core characters, I think, and she herself is an entirely new character--not because she's 8.1, but because she's a new sculpt with her own bundle and addons and that's the price they charge for those. They seem to have used the Victoria 8 name to mark the 8.1 release, but she's basically just the first original character released with 8.1 features and not an upgrade to the original Victoria 8 figure. 

GF8.1, on the other hand, is a 1:1 upgrade for the original G8F figure. It probably would have caused less confusion if they'd released both the male and female base figures up front and concentrated all messaging on the base upgrade. 

Bingo, they messed up big time using an exising name... never understood the relience on names anyway... Victorial 8.1 should've had her own name with no connections and no expectations!

Core characters in general are in a weird place right now because they used to be treated as platforms to build further specialized characters on. They aren't really that now, for the most part (I think this still works for very unique body shapes like the babies and Topsy/Drutherson), and recent bundles have increasingly included characters that don't depend on the core character at all. So it's hard to pinpoint what's supposed to make them different from any PA character, such that they cost over twice as much as most of them. 

Victoria's history as an actual base character complicates things because she's sometimes still treated as a must-have figure even though it's possible to fully use G8 without ever owning or using her. A bunch of vendors have made products designed specifically for Victoria 8, sometimes relying on her skin texture or morphs to work properly, and since many of them are a few years old I wonder whether that was done with the expectation that she'd be the center of an ongoing character system (I assume some of them just genuinely love Vicky). But as a relatively new user who started after G8, I definitely thought owning Victoria 8 would be way more important than it turned out to be because of how she was implictly treated as sort of an advanced version of the G8F base.

TL;DR I can understand some of the confusion over whether or not Victoria 8.1 is necessary for the upgrade because she's positioned as part of the system in the copy, and I'm honestly not sure if that's their intent going forward or if she's just being used to demonstrate a step up from the free base to a core character. 

"Madame Walter", a renowned and infamous dual-binary figure of great mystery and intrigue...

(Victoria 8.1)

 

Patiently awaiting Michael 8.1 :)

RexRed said:

Skin Manager won't run using Victoria 8.1

I use Skin Manager a lot.

I hope an update will fix this.

As is isn't a new character, doh, I trust the person whom created this is ok

JB007 said:

ChangelingChick said:

JB007 said:

Is it just me being idiot or .... .

I'm not seeing anything different .. everything is installed .. I load a standard G8 female into a scene and then G8.1 female .. I render out the G8 and then the G8.1 .. load them into a paint package and flip back and forth between them .. other than different shaped eye lashes .. the skins are identical ..  ok, maybe an extra little gloss on the 8.1 lips .. but .. Should i be seeing something different besides those couple of things between G8 and G8.1???

 

Nope. Same mesh. Same shape. Same skin basically. You should notice that 8.1 has a second mat zone for the Torso area-- now it's Body & Head. Also, the mouth realism is amazingly improved. The expression system is also different and improved. There is a new eyelash mesh and a separate tear mesh that both step up the realism overall. The tear in particular does amazing things to the eyes in renders. There are new UVs available to use as well and are a little different on the face, neck and torso. Also the new eye UV is unified so there is no gap between the pupil and iris or the iris and sclera. The new shader that is available isn't used on G8.1 but is on Victoria 8.1 and will likely continue to be used moving forward. It was designed specifically for skin to be more in line with standard PBR shaders (as I recall).

Ha! I've been sat here for 3 hours trying to forensically determine the difference between renders .. doh! 

I haven't purchased Victoria 8.1 yet as I wanted to check out G8.1 first , according to my red hilite on the above comment the new skin shader is useless unless I get V8.1?

  Everything else I have tried  has worked fine except Studio shut down the first time I tried the Face Controls once I restarted DS it worked fine.  Unfortunately I don't have much installed right now to test much but the couple G8 textures I applied to 8.1 worked fine 

rayglendenning said:

Haruchai said:

melissastjames said:

I purchased Victoria 8.1 and got her loaded up, but I'm not finding any vellus hair? I don't see that listed on her product page as "included" either...but it's listed as a feature of 8.1...so...?

Seperate product called Genesis 8.1 Female Vellus Hair

Is this only available with Victoria 8.1?

I got it with the Victoria 8.1 University Bundle. 

Why am I suddenly getting this message? No matter what I do, it keeps coming up. I even uninstalled it and reinstalled it, but I'm still getting this error message. This is causing me to not have anything in my Content Library. I've even rebooted my computer and it's still doing it. It worked fine earlier today. I rendered a sample render of the new Victoria 8.1. Could she have done this to me?

plasma_ring said:

Daikatana said:

OK, after reading through this thread, I have three points to put forward:

1) G8.1/Victoria 8.1is more of an update with extended/changed functionality than a completely new figure.  Not sure why we should be paying full price for an updated version.  Also the neck seam issue and the issue surrounding geoshells ( used most often for makeup and tattoos) are problematic to say the least.

Victoria 8.1 costs the same as the other core characters, I think, and she herself is an entirely new character--not because she's 8.1, but because she's a new sculpt with her own bundle and addons and that's the price they charge for those. They seem to have used the Victoria 8 name to mark the 8.1 release, but she's basically just the first original character released with 8.1 features and not an upgrade to the original Victoria 8 figure. 

GF8.1, on the other hand, is a 1:1 upgrade for the original G8F figure. It probably would have caused less confusion if they'd released both the male and female base figures up front and concentrated all messaging on the base upgrade. 

Bingo, they messed up big time using an exising name... never understood the relience on names anyway... Victorial 8.1 should've had her own name with no connections and no expectations!

Hylas said:

plasma_ring said:

Working on some glow eyes presets. I'm really picky about emissive eye effects since just changing the surface without using maps looks a little too flat to me and overwhelms the face easily. 

I've got these set up so that in brighter light they're still glossy and the glow is most obvious in dark environments. 

Neat! You managed to make them look really good!

Thank you very much! I tried them on Victoria 8.1 last night and there's kind of a cool effect where if you look close you can see her eye details behind the glow.

Pax Asteriae said:

Someone else's thread I can stalk and admire while never being quite brave enough to tell them their work is amazing!

Really nice renders, I particularly like Innalech!

Aaa thank you you're very kind! I admire your work and that means a lot to hear. 

ziconin_9b28409da2 said:

Absolutely love your style. I'm not much for doing postwork, but this is seriously making me consider picking up my near-forgotten copy of CSP again.

Thank you so much! CSP really is a great program, it took me a while to pick up but I'm so glad I gave it another shot. 

RexRed said:

Skin Manager won't run using Victoria 8.1

I use Skin Manager a lot.

I hope an update will fix this.

Oof. That is a hard blow. Skin manager is SOOOOOOOOOO useful for tweaking the shaders.

I just installed the new Genesis 8.1 updates along with Victoria 8.1 and a few add on products.  Neither Genesis 8.1 Female nor Victoria 8.1 is showing up in my library.  Any ideas why?

Skin Manager won't run using Victoria 8.1

I use Skin Manager a lot.

I hope an update will fix this.

Gotta tell you I am loving Gen 8.1 and Victoria 8.1.  My foot morphs work and super happy on that.  Love her details and skin shader looks real nice.  Hats off and great job to the DAZ team!

thoreandan said:

Luciel said:

thoreandan said:

Luciel said:

thoreandan said:

Is there a clear list of which improvements come with Genesis 8.1, and which can only be obtained by purchasing Victoria 8.1?  The Introducing Genesis 8.1/Victoria 8.1 seems to blur these distinctions. Particularly, are the FACS controls we see in the example video Victoria-only?  Because after updating but not purchasing Victoria 8.1, I don't see any way to do what is shown in the FACS example video, but I don't know if that's because I'm just not finding it or because it only comes with Victoria 8.1?

I do like how the eyelids react to rotation of the eyeballs, G8F and G3F did not always do this very well. I was able to use Look at Me (unchecking Adjust Eyelids) with G8.1F to make the eyeballs turn towards the camera, and then the eyelids adjusted appropriately on their own. Some other GF8 products refuse to recognize G8.1F as G8F, though, like Fit Control. It refuses to run and tells me to select a Genesis 8 Female when GF8.1 is selected.

The controls are with Genesis 8.1 in the anatomy section (but often crash when I use them, so perhaps be careful). 

If you own a pro bundle (i'd assume you'd need to own a pro bundle with the male anatomy) a version of the male anatomy appears in the female anatomy section.

I don't seem to be able to find any vellus/body hairs, so those might be Victoria 8.1/figure addons. 

Hmm, I don't have anything new in the Anatomy section except the 8.1 Female Eyelashes and 8.1 Female Tear attachments. Nothing related to face control in the anatomy section of Smart Content either with G8.1F selected.

For me it's called  "Genesis 8.1 Female Face Controls" and is part of the Genesis 8 Starter Essentials (it just has a shiny grey head as the icon). You could try reinstalling the starter essentials or updating metadata or searching in the content library/lost and found. Why is it never simple.  

Found it! For those in the same boat, it's under the "Genesis 8 Female/Developer Kit" folder in Content Library. Which is a strange choice.

As for functionality, a few things moved but occasionally it causes Daz Studio to crash.

Alitaman said:

Hellboy said:Great shot displaying her craftsmanship!

Mazak said:

This figure is so far the ugliest Victoria I have seen, face like a frog, figure like a ton, and breasts of a chicken. (loosely based on Al Bundy)

Classy.

Well, to each their own. I am loving her so far. 

she looks italian to me.   

ChangelingChick said:

JB007 said:

Is it just me being idiot or .... .

I'm not seeing anything different .. everything is installed .. I load a standard G8 female into a scene and then G8.1 female .. I render out the G8 and then the G8.1 .. load them into a paint package and flip back and forth between them .. other than different shaped eye lashes .. the skins are identical ..  ok, maybe an extra little gloss on the 8.1 lips .. but .. Should i be seeing something different besides those couple of things between G8 and G8.1???

 

Nope. Same mesh. Same shape. Same skin basically. You should notice that 8.1 has a second mat zone for the Torso area-- now it's Body & Head. Also, the mouth realism is amazingly improved. The expression system is also different and improved. There is a new eyelash mesh and a separate tear mesh that both step up the realism overall. The tear in particular does amazing things to the eyes in renders. There are new UVs available to use as well and are a little different on the face, neck and torso. Also the new eye UV is unified so there is no gap between the pupil and iris or the iris and sclera. The new shader that is available isn't used on G8.1 but is on Victoria 8.1 and will likely continue to be used moving forward. It was designed specifically for skin to be more in line with standard PBR shaders (as I recall).

Wow, nice. Thank you for posting this, useful info. Iris geometry and iris sclera UV bothered me endlessly so I went along and re-did them once I exported G8 out of DAZ. I modelled a new year mesh along with it. It's good to see the new figure addresses all these points. So basically I can just import a clean G8.1 and put my morph on it. Yepp ;)

"Owners or buyers of the Victoria 8.1 University Bundle get 60% OFF* Select Genesis 8 Daz Originls"

This is not working...

I am an owner of Victoria 8.1 University Bundle and the 60% is not deducting from the select items I place in my cart.

Only the regular sales price is being deducted.

Richard Haseltine said:

Genesis 8.1 Female is free. Victoria 8.1 is a new character that uses Genesis 8.1 Female, it isn't an update of Victoria 8 (anymore than Victoria 8 was an update of Victoria 7). Each named character is a new entity, even if it is in the style of a previous character of the same name.

It's confusing to use the same Victoria name within the same generation (8). Maybe going forward DAZ could use completely new names for the 8.1 characters to reduce confusion. Even this Victoria 8.1 could quickly be renamed to Vicky 8.1 just to keep things straight.

plasma_ring said:

Daikatana said:

OK, after reading through this thread, I have three points to put forward:

1) G8.1/Victoria 8.1is more of an update with extended/changed functionality than a completely new figure.  Not sure why we should be paying full price for an updated version.  Also the neck seam issue and the issue surrounding geoshells ( used most often for makeup and tattoos) are problematic to say the least.

Victoria 8.1 costs the same as the other core characters, I think, and she herself is an entirely new character--not because she's 8.1, but because she's a new sculpt with her own bundle and addons and that's the price they charge for those. They seem to have used the Victoria 8 name to mark the 8.1 release, but she's basically just the first original character released with 8.1 features and not an upgrade to the original Victoria 8 figure. 

GF8.1, on the other hand, is a 1:1 upgrade for the original G8F figure. It probably would have caused less confusion if they'd released both the male and female base figures up front and concentrated all messaging on the base upgrade. 

Fair point. Thank you for correcting. :)

Well I'm going to buy Victoria 8.1 but It's a bit offputting because one would think the basics should have the basics.

a) Base Genesis 8.1 Female should have eyebrow-less texture with fibre eyebrows.

b) Base Genesis 8.1 Female should have vellum hair

c) Base Genesis 8.1 Female should have fully realized skin materials set as Victoria 8.1 has.

d) Even though Base Genesis 8.1 Female won't have the Genesis 8.1 Female Anatomical Elements it should have the skin materials for that item and I guess now that the Genisis 8.1 Male Anatomical Elements are compatible with the Base Genesis 8.1 Female a skin material set should be included for that as well. Is this because they are free and so not behind a pay wall that verifies the payer is adult? Plenty of kids have bank accounts and credit cards with more money than I got. 

And likewise for the Base Genesis 8.1 Male character relative to Michael 8.1.

So I'll buy the Victoria 8.1 because I happen to like her & her tatoos, my new paid favorite excluding toon characters, but the missing vellum/body hair, missing fibre eyebrows, and incomplete skin materials in the Base Genesis 8.1 Female is problematic. The Base Genesis 8/8.1 Female and Base Genesis 8/8.1 Male are amounting to the best Genesis 8/8.1 characters available.