Lissa_xyz said:

lilweep said:

thd777 said:

Yes, there is a new switch called "Detail Enable" (in addition to makeup etc). once activayed you can add the micro detail maps there. Very good to enhance G8.0 characters that are transferred to G8.1

This micro detail collection is great in my opinion and very easy to use. Here is an example closeup of one of my characters (based on Emmeline from sangriart) in her 8.1 version after a little tweaking and adding one of the Skin Detail maps {click for full 2K*2K view).

By the way, there are skindetail maps included with Victoria 8.1 that one can use to try this out.

Ciao

TD

Oh, and I love, love , love the eyes in this update. Just wonderful in my opinion.

Unfortunately, the forum compression smudges much of the detail... Boo

Literally not seeing any skin detail in her skin 

Look in areas like her jawline, sides of the forehead, and nostrils/tip of nose. You're also going to need to maximize the photo, forum-size won't show anything. Afterall, you're dealing with micro details.

What would sell it is a side-by-side comparison with and without the micro details.  Is this with or without peach fuzz?

lilweep said:

thd777 said:

Yes, there is a new switch called "Detail Enable" (in addition to makeup etc). once activayed you can add the micro detail maps there. Very good to enhance G8.0 characters that are transferred to G8.1

This micro detail collection is great in my opinion and very easy to use. Here is an example closeup of one of my characters (based on Emmeline from sangriart) in her 8.1 version after a little tweaking and adding one of the Skin Detail maps {click for full 2K*2K view).

By the way, there are skindetail maps included with Victoria 8.1 that one can use to try this out.

Ciao

TD

Oh, and I love, love , love the eyes in this update. Just wonderful in my opinion.

Unfortunately, the forum compression smudges much of the detail... Boo

Literally not seeing any skin detail in her skin 

Look in areas like her jawline, sides of the forehead, and nostrils/tip of nose. You're also going to need to maximize the photo, forum-size won't show anything. Afterall, you're dealing with micro details.

thd777 said:

Yes, there is a new switch called "Detail Enable" (in addition to makeup etc). once activayed you can add the micro detail maps there. Very good to enhance G8.0 characters that are transferred to G8.1

This micro detail collection is great in my opinion and very easy to use. Here is an example closeup of one of my characters (based on Emmeline from sangriart) in her 8.1 version after a little tweaking and adding one of the Skin Detail maps {click for full 2K*2K view).

By the way, there are skindetail maps included with Victoria 8.1 that one can use to try this out.

Ciao

TD

Oh, and I love, love , love the eyes in this update. Just wonderful in my opinion.

Unfortunately, the forum compression smudges much of the detail... Boo

Literally not seeing any skin detail in her skin 

Hi i would like to know what blonde bob hair is victoria 8.1 is wearing in main/big promo pic. thanks

Victoria 8.1 | 3D Models and 3D Software by Daz 3D

Venetian = of or fom Venice, Italy

Viennan = of or from Vienna, Austria

Venusian = of or from Venus, Planet

Vesuvian = of or from Vesuvius, volcano

Vulcanian = type of volcano characterized by explosive eruptions

Valarian  = herb used as a sleeping drug

Valedictorian = highest ranked student in a class

Victorian = of or from the culture of the time of Queen Victoria

benniewoodell said:

Hey Nosiferret,

Thanks for your feedback! Digital realism is the standard we are striving to hit daily! Tattoos, in particular, are actually really near and dear to my heart – I have two full tattoo sleeves. For Victoria's 8.1 tattoos we collaborated with an incredibly talented Canadian tattoo artist named Birdie. She created these custom tattoos for Victoria specifically, and worked with us to determine placement, coloring, and ultimately how to apply it to the skin shader to get just the right amount of skin detail!  The feedback on Victoria 8.1, and the tattoos has been extremely positive, and we hope you enjoy creating with her!

If you want to check out Birdie’s work, you can see it here: https://www.instagram.com/birdietattoos/

Wow, that is really cool that you all did that and delved that deeply into making it. The tattoos really do look fantastic. I'm very much looking forward to picking her up later today and playing around. Hope to see more tattoos like this as I usually throw some on my characters and the more options the better! 

The fact that I detest tattoos in most cases might factor into this, but I think the different areas of tattoos look disconnected from each other and not related at all - like a lot of them are an afterthought. Someone else said they look like kids stick on tattoos...I have to agree :| Having said that, it makes no difference to me really since I likely will never use them.

Sevrin said:

NylonGirl said:

So it's the 8.0 character that is too bright, and the 8.1 character is not too dark? Because it would suck if adjusting exposure for Victoria 8.1 meant every character released before 2021 comes out too bright in the same scene.

Yeah, the V8.1 skin sure seems to suck in light.  But so does real skin.  And yeah, some adjustments will be needed if you have mismatched skin shaders in a scene. 

I think I like it. It feels more natural to me. 

ALLIEKATBLUE said:

Petra said:

Played with the PBR Skin shader and love it.

I used Genesis Female 8.1 and used a skin texture, I think Amira with makeup and all the rest of it.

Then applied the PBR Skin shader and Victoria 8.1 eyes.

I LOVE it, it makes the skin look so much better.

Some options in the surface tab needed to be switched on and I changed the base colour and the translucency colour.

Having so much fun.:)

 

This is beautiful.  Are you applying it to all the surfaces?  

update

OMG all I get is a glowing white blob.  This is way too difficult

Thank you :)

I applied it in the Surface tab to Skin/ Lips / Nails and scrolled down and switched everything to on that was set to off.

I also changed the Base colour and Translucency colour.

Not played with it much, I am sure you can tweak it much more, I have to explore myself.

Hope that helped.

davidtriune said:

the only benefits of g8.1 seem to be:

-better teeth (can extract to g8)

-eye tear line, and

-FACS (can buy for g8).

g8 already has thick eyelids (with eye rim refine HD morph) and eye sockets (with morphs)  the SSS doesnt seem to have changed, just dialed down in amount. The micro tiling doesn't seem that big of a deal since you can get similar results with a single 8k texture. 

 

good work towards realism but they can push further. what I'd like to see in a big genesis update are photogrammatry-based 8k HDR textures, and more realistic expressions (like the ones in Auto Face Enhancer) and body JCMs

By default, G8.1 already has better expressions. And no, those things aren't (or wouldn't be) simple extractions to the previous figure or we wouldn't be on a .1 version. If you are doing that, I'm curious as to how.

Also, I get the vibe that some of you are only working with 8.1 and have yet to see Victoria. She is a step above the Base figure (particularly her feet and muscle definition). 

This is a really weird launch. But then again, it just wouldn't be a Daz event without massively confusing customers, would it?

When I first saw the email, I was pretty stoked. I was on the hype train, LOL. But as I looked into the details and the store page I became so much less excited. And the vellus hair...well that rather pissed me off. I am glad that Daz has listened to people and decided to place the vellus hair in the base model purchases. So I might actually buy Victoria 8.1 now, I was not going to because of this. The change seems fair to me, but I've always advocated the same for genitals as well, and it is silly that this still continues to 8.1. Now that we have no actual 'pro' bundles, this concept becomes extremely confusing. Just imagine a brand new Daz user who signs up today and then has to find out all these extremely bizarre quirks that the Daz store has. But anyway...

There are some nice improvements, but I am not sure why these required any form of update to 8.1. Nearly all the bullet points are for things that could be done on ANY existing model, and have nothing to do with the actual Genesis 8.1 itself.

The highly detailed teeth? They have the exact same number of polygons as Genesis 3 and 8 before it. So this detailed sculpt could have been done for those. The same applies to the textures, you can apply XYZ textures to any previous generation if you desired. The PBRskin shader can be applied to literally anything. I am happy Daz partnered with XYZ, because man they needed an upgrade on their textures.

The new tear looks nice, but this is ultimately just a mesh around the eyelids that could also be applied to any past generation. Since the tear is just an attachment, it can also be applied to any previous model. I autofit it to G8.0, and I'm sure it can be fitted to other generations, especially once we start making some clones for fitting. The same goes for the new lashes, since they are an attachment. Besides, we already have PA products with fibermesh lashes.

That really only leaves the face rigging as the only new true feature, and that is why G8.1 cannot use them while it can use everything else.

And thus why this is only a 0.1 revision, as the face rig is all that changed. Everything else here can be done on past models. Of course I appreciate the improvements, it is just weird how they are being handled as if they are new features of Genesis. The shader is a new Daz Studio feature. 

The micro detail (from the colelction released today or from the Victoria 8.1 materials) is great in my opinion to improved skins transferred from G8 characters to tye new shader. Here is an example closeup of one of my characters (based on Emmeline from sangriart) in her 8.1 version after a little tweaking and adding one of the Skin Detail maps {click for full 2K*2K view).

Ciao

TD

Oh, and I love, love , love the eyes in this update. Just wonderful in my opinion.

Unfortunately, the forum compression smudges much of the detail... Boo

Yes, there is a new switch called "Detail Enable" (in addition to makeup etc). once activayed you can add the micro detail maps there. Very good to enhance G8.0 characters that are transferred to G8.1

This micro detail collection is great in my opinion and very easy to use. Here is an example closeup of one of my characters (based on Emmeline from sangriart) in her 8.1 version after a little tweaking and adding one of the Skin Detail maps {click for full 2K*2K view).

By the way, there are skindetail maps included with Victoria 8.1 that one can use to try this out.

Ciao

TD

Oh, and I love, love , love the eyes in this update. Just wonderful in my opinion.

Unfortunately, the forum compression smudges much of the detail... Boo

THANK YOU, DAZ!

This is a wonderful upgrade. The new Victoria is lovely and the skin is very realistic.

Next up please... Better hair!

I have to admit, Victoria 8. 1 looks very good. However, I do not understand why the anatomical detail is still sold only with these, now almost always unusable bundles. At a full price one can expect a full figure.

I hope Michael 8.1 will follow soon (and not the usual 3 more female characters)

DAZ_Ty said:

Hey Nosiferret,

Thanks for your feedback! Digital realism is the standard we are striving to hit daily! Tattoos, in particular, are actually really near and dear to my heart – I have two full tattoo sleeves. For Victoria's 8.1 tattoos we collaborated with an incredibly talented Canadian tattoo artist named Birdie. She created these custom tattoos for Victoria specifically, and worked with us to determine placement, coloring, and ultimately how to apply it to the skin shader to get just the right amount of skin detail!  The feedback on Victoria 8.1, and the tattoos has been extremely positive, and we hope you enjoy creating with her!

If you want to check out Birdie’s work, you can see it here: https://www.instagram.com/birdietattoos/

I love how it turned out, and great to hear a bit more about the work and thought that went into creating the tatoos :) I am excited to see all the improvements and new direction for the genesis figures, can't wait to see what people do with it :D

Victoria 8.1 is the first numbered figure I've seen that doesn't come with 3Delight materials. Yes, I know all this PBR stuff doesn't work with 3Delight and it's fine for people with powerful computers, but my computer has always struggled with Iray and my last two attempts at Iray scenes just crashed Studio when I tried to render them.

ALLIEKATBLUE said:

Petra said:

Played with the PBR Skin shader and love it.

I used Genesis Female 8.1 and used a skin texture, I think Amira with makeup and all the rest of it.

Then applied the PBR Skin shader and Victoria 8.1 eyes.

I LOVE it, it makes the skin look so much better.

Some options in the surface tab needed to be switched on and I changed the base colour and the translucency colour.

Having so much fun.:)

 

This is beautiful.  Are you applying it to all the surfaces?  

update

OMG all I get is a glowing white blob.  This is way too difficult

you can get better eye quality already with G8F

thos eyes are way too dark and the reflections doesnt look right.

back to the drawing table 

G8F with Albany HD eyes and some changes

https://www.daz3d.com/albany-hd-for-genesis-8-female

One tip. dont use mesh lights for realistic eye reflections use photometric lights

Sevrin said:

+1

The skin shaders look interesting, but there's too much about the rollout that makes me want to hold off.  I'll probably wait until March Madness and see how things have progressed.  Vellus may be part of base G8.1 by then, too.

Sevrin, from another thread...

Richard Haseltine said:

Not sure if anyone else has announced this yet, but since it's been a hot topic: we have been told that the Velus etc. hair will be added to the Victoria 8.1 Base for new and existing purchasers sometime today. It will also be included with future 8.1 base characters.

daveso said:

too much to read already, but in reality i dont need Victoria 8.1 to have the same functionality as we get with Genesis 8.1 ? 

You won't (yet) have any materials that call the new PBR Skin sahder, though you can use it and apply your own settings, and you won't have textures that use the new UVs - but you can certainly apply the shader and edit it, use the new expression  system, and have the new lashes (I think).

too much to read already, but in reality i dont need Victoria 8.1 to have the same functionality as we get with Genesis 8.1 ?