Does the clothing line up with the zeroed figure when you import it, or was it modelled around a morph?

Thank you for you reply.

It was modeled around a morph, and your question actually started my brain thinking in a certain way and I was able to solve it myself.

Here's the full situation in case anyone in the future needs it:

The problem : I wanted to decimate an outfit so that a character could wear it in Unity3d. When decimating the outfit though, it lost it's shape. I read elsewhere on the forum that to do this well, you should decimate the model, then export as an fbx, then import the fbx and apply to the Genesis. However, the now decimated figure did not fit my G2f properly.

The solution : Load a part of the outfit from you library (in my case the corset), but without the figure to conform/fit it to (ie, just the outfit, not Genesis 2). Decimate the outfit, them export to fbx. Create a new scene, load up your Genesis 2 character without clothing. Now, import the fbx version outfit you created. Have this item of clothing 'fit-to' the Genesis figure. You should now have a decimated item of clothing that is fairly low res and fit your character perfectly. Repeat for as many items of clothing you need.

I spotted a placeholder in the Readmes for this product, which I assume will be showing up soon. Anybody hear anything about this? I'm interested because I have had an absolutely miserably time with rigging clothing for Genesis 3.

Don't get me wrong, the Transfer Utility handles almost all of the heavy listing. But things like leotards and so on are proving to be an absolute nightmare. And if this template(s?) can make this any easier, than I can't wait to get my hands on it!

The process of making HD morphs is basically two steps

- make a geometry morph at subd zero to get the overall shape and proportions of the new character
  this will be your base shape for sculpting

- based on the base shape above, make a sculpt morph then save it as displacement map

Back in DS you will have to apply the base morph and the displacement map to get your new character
optionally you can use the bump map too for fine details

Daywalker:

It comes down to the varying definition of 'seams'. There's the seam where the map is split but the mesh on both sides is the same surface. SP2 is fine painting across that.

SP2 just will not paint from one material to the next. You need to either be very careful painting on one and then the other side, or rely on procedural stuff (which is what I've been doing).

Josh Crockett:

Using the 'bake Normals from high -> low poly model,' the seams are perfect (at least on the intended morph). So A+ for SP2 there.

Otherwise, I've had decent results with masking based on World Normals, but poor results (across material seams) with other baked textures. Like the Redskin job I did, I used Dirt mask (which is based on World Normal baked textures) to capture the nooks and crannies, and it worked like a charm. Everything else looked terrible at the seams. C. ;)

Thanks for the reply!

I was hoping there was a morph pack that could give me that...

There is, but I'm not sure if it's a default one or which pack it's in. Look for one called Emaciated, as that's the only one I know that shows them.

Your avatar, is that an existing figure for sale? Or a morph for your Exile figure?

Xeno makes a good point. It's a lot more work, but basically it'd be something like a series of morphs, so that you could shrink/expand different elements of the figure.

 

Yep. I am going to do that with one myself.

It's certainly something I've considered doing. I wouldn't want to step on Daz's toes with their morph packs and also most of my creatures are meant to be and designed as a full "character" with specific elements designed very specifically for that creature. 

I get what you're saying, Josh, but the way DAZ does it is usually paired symetrical morphs rather than individual morphs that can be applied to varying degrees. That's how I am doing them for the "pretty boy" I posted an image a page back.

Thanks for the reply!

I was hoping there was a morph pack that could give me that...

Updated April 16 2017

Cale for G3M

Cale is your typical young professional just trying to find his place in the world. This new character includes full textures, face morph, and 11 eye choices (went a little overboard here). I hope everyone enjoys!

https://www.sharecg.com/v/87884/view/21/DAZ-Studio/Cale-4-G3M

I have a lot of Xurge's stuff but I;m not happy with them at the moment.  I lost more than half my files in the transfer to the external drive, i've emailed my reciepts etc several times with no respons.  NOT a happy camper. So if you buy from them make sure you back it up

Xeno makes a good point. It's a lot more work, but basically it'd be something like a series of morphs, so that you could shrink/expand different elements of the figure.

 

Yep. I am going to do that with one myself.

It's certainly something I've considered doing. I wouldn't want to step on Daz's toes with their morph packs and also most of my creatures are meant to be and designed as a full "character" with specific elements designed very specifically for that creature. 

You can sculpt it at hi resolution and export the obj format file, but it will fail on import with morph loader.

May as well call ARISE on this thread.

So I'm poking around at figures and such. One challenge is that morphs are limited to Subd1 unless you are a PA, so I'm thinking of ways to capture fine detail to make cool figures. I'd heard that it's common to take a low and high resolution model and generate normals, so that the low poly figure looks more detailed.

Theoretically, then, I could create a detailed model, then come up with a Subd1 morph, THEN make Normal maps to add critical details.

To test my ability to do that with the tools I have, I used Exile for G3M as a base, because it has VERY highly detailed morphs (SubD4, even, which is more than most models shoot for).

The results are very promising.

The first face is the standard figure with Subdivision 4. The next one is at subd 1, and you can see how much fine detail is lost. The third is the same subd1 figure with Normal maps... and while it's very slightly different from the standard figure, the differences aren't that significant (IMO).

So... yay!

Of course, the big challenge is learning to make figures even VAGUELY as good as Crockett's work, sheesh. ;)

I used Substance Painter 2 to do the low-high poly Normal baking, and, again, this model isn't mine at all.

http://willbear.deviantart.com/art/Exile-Comparison-675291549

So I understand that you can't create high definition morphs in Daz (IE: SubD above 1).

If you TRY to create a morph from a higher subd figure, does it simply make a lower resolution morph, or does it fail outright?

looks cool is this a daz dragon 3 morph or a brand new standalone you say can ride him will there be a saddle+ reigns or again will it use dd3 stuff or horse 2 stuff

@greymouse69 Nice! The Casablanca Suit looks pretty snazzy!

Boopsie is a doll!.

 

That's what friends are for! LOL If it makes you feel any better, I just dropped $30 over there. Couldn't resist $3 and $6 outfits. Here's Xurge's Necromancer for M4 using the original Wear Them All on Darwin's newest character, Evan for G3M. He's got his elf ears and Creature Creator settings on too. He looks badass! I just need to tweak the outfit's materials a bit more, but having fun with it.

 

 

This is amazing Llynara

Thanks! I tied up my computer all day trying to get the version with TD3 Atmos fog and snow rendered. Wow, is that ever slow. Will post that version soon. 

I The Dress! The Blue Moods texture for it is that one that caught my eye and made me fall in love with V3 and her amazing wardrobe. It's fitted "the old way", to Genesis with Gen 3 Iconic Shapes for Genesis and then to G3F with the original Wear Them All. I'll try again with the new expansion and see how that works. 

 

iI know, I picked up the whole collection yesterday for $21.  Have you figured out a way to make the sleeves work?

The sleeves aren't dynamic, but anything that hangs down like that is very awkward to autofit. Dangling sleeves tend to have extra bones these don't usually transfer when autofitting.

It might be better to put the figure into a T pose, then parent the sleeves to the arms instead of autofitting. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. That trick works GREAT with older hair that won't autofit.

I've also fit new hair to old figures that way- parenting to the head instead of fitting. Here's an example with two Gen 3s wearing newer hairs (V3 has Fantasy Warrior Hair for G3F and M3 is wearing SAV's Alpha Moikana hair) 

It would be fun to redo this pic with G3F and G3M and see how they look. 

On The Dress, I will try the sleeves a few different ways and see if I can get any to work. I love The Dress and want to have those sleeves working too. Gotta go out to family stuff at the moment. More later! 

Testing stuff.
So one of the challenges down the road will be developing figures or figure morphs when I can't generate/distribute high definition morphs. So I have to find ways around that for intricate figures... one of which is to generate good displacement maps. Which is... a different challenge.

So my test here:
I took Exile full morph with high definition details, then extracted world normal map, set that as a Height map back to the figure. Then switched the figure to a regular G3M figure, exported height textures.

The results are promising; there's a gap near the chin, but the displacement map is 'strained' by being applied to a figure drastically different than the world normal map was generated for. That is, the displacement map fits the tall, lanky, morphed Exile, not a shorter, stockier human.
Presumably, if I was adding details to a mostly morphed figure, it would mesh better. (I'll have to poke at that idea some more)

It takes a few seconds, usually less than 15ish to load a default character I have set up, so not default; hair, basic clothes, sometimes a geocraft, and some applied morphs.

Check what the log is saying: Help > Troubleshooting > View Log File.

What's interesting is that I have over a minute for the default G3F; checking the log file, there are a lot of warnings over various missing items (morph related it looks like some look like GenX that I have deleted)

It would be interested to know how to get rid of those; I have characters set up as subsets that load via scripts, so hadn't noticed.

Boopsie is a doll!.

 

That's what friends are for! LOL If it makes you feel any better, I just dropped $30 over there. Couldn't resist $3 and $6 outfits. Here's Xurge's Necromancer for M4 using the original Wear Them All on Darwin's newest character, Evan for G3M. He's got his elf ears and Creature Creator settings on too. He looks badass! I just need to tweak the outfit's materials a bit more, but having fun with it.

 

 

This is amazing Llynara

Thanks! I tied up my computer all day trying to get the version with TD3 Atmos fog and snow rendered. Wow, is that ever slow. Will post that version soon. 

I The Dress! The Blue Moods texture for it is that one that caught my eye and made me fall in love with V3 and her amazing wardrobe. It's fitted "the old way", to Genesis with Gen 3 Iconic Shapes for Genesis and then to G3F with the original Wear Them All. I'll try again with the new expansion and see how that works. 

iI know, I picked up the whole collection yesterday for $21.  Have you figured out a way to make the sleeves work?

The sleeves aren't dynamic, but anything that hangs down like that is very awkward to autofit. Dangling sleeves tend to have extra bones these don't usually transfer when autofitting.