Thank you 3DAGE. It is a prop (eyeglasses) that have no moving parts so I don't think it needs bones. The poser manual has a good section on external morphs. Couldn't find a complete Carrara 8 manual. The Carrara 7 manual that comes with Carrara 8.5 has a good section on exporting morphs but the morph tab is different. I think I now have enough info to figure it out thanks to this forum and good Poser documentation.

That 'swollen face' you talk of happens when there is not a high resolution image you scanned for the picture. I know as I tried pictures of my grandfather and my grandma from 1920 and the details in the photoscan weren't sufficient so I wound up with a low polygon Facegen morph that wasn't a good fit to the DAZ models. So I will make nw scans although if the picture source doesn't have the details to begin with, and a lot of very old pictures don't have those details, no matter how high a resolution you scan the picture in you won't get a good FaceGen morph out of it.

You also can get that problem by not placing the dots in good places or placing them innacurately.

You sure it's the resolution??

I've had varying rez's and it happens on them all. 

I'm placing the points where they say and it doesn't seem to help. particularly with the nose..

 

 

No, not 100% sure but I noticed it happened on the old black & white photos. Your suggestions & Grinch's have me thing I will try those photo again. Thanks.

I don't know. I feel that that DAZ is doing pretty good. For example whoever made the Polynesian characters was excellant and I recognized facial characteristics in those models as my nephew's phenotype right away. 

Now I do agree it is frustrating that there isn't a morph pack to go with the head and morph pack of the Genesis 3 (or Genesis #) that lets one dial in ethnicities but really I think it's a bit of a stretch to expect DAZ to attempt that. Having lived in Europe as an outsider I can tell you indeed there are Irish, Alpine, Italian, Dutch phenotypes (not to 100% of the population) and they are not too much like the Genesis 3 models which seem more Balkan to me. I guess FaceGen is best used for that sort of thing but one needs to have a sense of what all these geographic human phenotypes look like which no one does of course comprehensively.FaceGen by it'self is not enough though. Artistically one has to have the ability to notice the differences in those phenotypes. They aren't glaring. There is to be a few books of collections of portraints of people throughout the world. They were very old and in black & white and very fascinating to look at. I haven't seen one since I was like 12 years old though. 

I think the biggest obstacle is clothing. That's why I bought all the 'Cross-Figure' and 'Wear Them All' products. Since you model sy-fy type clothing I don't think it's that big a concern for you though.

I feel DAZ models need a 'morphable' skin texture resource sort of like Skin Builder on high-speed but I doubt we will see such a product, at least for a while. And hair...don't even ask.

Subtitle:
The failed Promise the Genesis Figure Platform. 

Remember Anubis?
I remember the heady days of Genesis 1 as I watched enviously from the sidelines.

This was before I migrated from my Old Mac running DS 2.3 to a  New PC capable of running the latest  Daz studio and genesis.

Once I made the switch from aging Poser figure tech, I fully embraced the Genesis technology as  its innovative "One Figure to rule them all" morphing capability liberated me from the limitations of having to always find and then Buy separate figures if I wanted both racial and Demographic and even Species variety for my preferred genre of Sci-Fi storytelling

If I needed the ubiquitous 20 something Northern European Girl/guy ..Sure easy

But if I Needed the middleaged Arab man or woman or Fat frumpy Dorky 21st century westerner or Exotic Alien From the other side of the galaxy, 

Then genesis was my solution as wellI am so thankful for Artists Like Dariofish(HFS) for his amazing alien morphs Inspired by the Popular video game
"Mass Effect".

But a disturbing pattern has emerged over the course genesis's evolution to version 3.
More and more we are seeing purpose built "Character Bundles" with clothing that Does NOT morph well outside of those specific Character bundle shapes.
This ,in my personal view, have slowy created the mentality that Genesis is just relatively inert "base figure" with not much utility  unless you buy the Amazing bundles.  Much like the original Mike & Victoria 1

I understand the marketplace economic utility of getting people to contsantly buy the new bundled "Characters",
This is a business after all.

However it seems we are seeing less & less  separate General use Morphs and Skin map products that take true advantage of the Strength and the versatility of the genesis technology.

The technolgy that Liberated us as Artists

It seems ,To me at least we have been slowy coaxed back on to "The plantation" mentality of 
"I wish"someone"....not me but "someone" would make a more (Insert character type here)  For Gx
I would $$buy$$ that in an instant".

That 'swollen face' you talk of happens when there is not a high resolution image you scanned for the picture. I know as I tried pictures of my grandfather and my grandma from 1920 and the details in the photoscan weren't sufficient so I wound up with a low polygon Facegen morph that wasn't a good fit to the DAZ models. So I will make nw scans although if the picture source doesn't have the details to begin with, and a lot of very old pictures don't have those details, no matter how high a resolution you scan the picture in you won't get a good FaceGen morph out of it.

You also can get that problem by not placing the dots in good places or placing them innacurately.

You sure it's the resolution??

I've had varying rez's and it happens on them all. 

I'm placing the points where they say and it doesn't seem to help. particularly with the nose..

Rigging in Poser is attaching Poser's "bones" to the mesh of a model so that the model can be posed and animated.

Sorry, it has been a very long time since I tried to create a model for Poser and create morphs for it.  If I remember correctly, to create a model that can be posed in Poser, it needs to be rigged.  For example, you could model a snake with bodypart names like segment1 and segment2.   But maybe your model is not intended to be posed, maybe something like a sofa that has several cushions?

Whatever you are trying to do, the key is to have the exact same vertexes in Carrara (or any other modeler) that you are trying to morph.  So, if there was a 4 segment snake, and you wanted to create a morph to inflate the 2nd segment, you need to be able to isolate the vertexes for the second segment in your modeling program.  Similarly, if you have a sofa with 3 cushions, and you want to create sitting mophs for the 3rd cushion, you need to be able to isolate the vertexes of the 3rd cushion.  When you bring the morph back to Poser, it is important that the position of the vertexes still match, which is why the scale matters so much.  By default, Poser meshes are very tiny.  The good news is that if you modeled the mesh initially in Carrara, hopefully you saved it in a way that you can start your morphs from the same file that you exported to Poser and then use the same scales.  Just save an additional copy of the initial file so you don't screw it up.

So, if I were to model a sofa with the intent of exporting to Poser, I could use the "name" function in the vertex modeling room's select tab to name polygon groups for each cushion and for the sofa frame.  The sofa frame and each cushion could be loaded separately in Poser and then parented to each other.  In Carrara, I could make a morph for just the 1st cushion by selecting it by its polygon name, deleting the rest, and creatng my morph.  In Poser, select the cushion, and load the morph.  Or, if I were to create a snake with several segments, I could name each segment in a similar way.  To make the snake poseable in Poser, the polygons of each segment is attached to a bone. Again, in Carrara, I could select the mesh of one segment by using its polygon name if I created one, delete the rest, morph, and save under a new name.  Then in Poser, select that segment of the snake and load the saved morph.

The key is having the same scale and orientation for the element or bodypart as the morphed obj file.

OK, was assuming that you were morphing a 3rd party rigged figure.  Some more questions about your model and about its Poser rigging.

- When you modeled in Carrara, did you create named polygon groups to correspond to the Poser bodyparts?

- Is it rigged in Poser?  And if so, do the rigging parts match the named parts?

For example, I could have a scifi aicraft thruster, with a handle and a case.  There could be separate polygon groups for the case and the handle.  When rigging in Poser, I could match the Poser bones to the named polygon groups of case and handle in a single thruster model.

Open the initial thruster model and save to a new name, such as THRUSTER_MORPHS.

Enter vertex modeler

Select by : name : polygons - and then choose the named group that you wish to morph, such as "case"

Then, under the selection tab, choose inverse.  Now, everything should be selected except the case.

Delete - then save the file to a new name, such as Thruster_Case_Morphs

Now you can use the vertex modeler to make a morph for the case and save as an obj file.

In the future, to make more morphs for the case, start with the Thruster_Case_Morph file and save as separate objs.

In Poser, load the thruster figure.

Select the case bodypart.

Use the properties tab to find the load morph menu and browse to the saved morph for the case.  Repeat for the additional morphs and save the figure to your Poser library.

My figure is an object that I modelled (with morphs) in Carrara. I exported the complete object (no morphs) as an obj. file into  Poser.

In Carrara I apply a morph to one section of the object. 

I then have to export only the morphed section to Poser. <•••••• this is the step that I need help with.

In Carrara's model room, I can select the morphed section but but the entire object is exported rather than the selected part.  

Someone else will have to come along with the correct scale presets, but the basic steps are

- in Poser, load the figure, turn off all kinematics, use the joint editor and zero the joint roations

- in Poser, export the figure as an obj, check only the one single bodypart that you intend to morph, such as the head

- in the Poser export dialogue, choose the correct preset scale (sorry, don't remember)

- in Carrara, load the exported obj body part

- In Carrara, use the vetex modeler to move vertexes around without adding or subtracting vertexes

- In Carrara, export the morphed bodypart as a new obj, choose the correct export preset scale (sorry, don't remember)

- in Poser, choose the bodypart, under the properties tab, there is a dialogue to load a morph target.  Use the browser to select the saved morphed obj

Hopefully, someone remembers, or has easy link to, the correct export and import preset scale dialogues.  Poser objs are extremely small by default.

In the export portion of my SketchUp-Daz transfer tool (the Ruby script that runs inside SketchUp), I am writing out numeric values for the normals for each face.  Here's a typical triangle definition in my intermediate XML file.

      <triangle>
        <materialId>0</materialId>
        <vertex>
          <position>0.0000,304.8000,0.0000</position>
          <normal>0.0000,1.0000,0.0000</normal>
          <texcoord>0.0000,0.0000</texcoord>
        </vertex>
        <vertex>
          <position>304.8000,304.8000,304.8000</position>
          <normal>0.0000,1.0000,0.0000</normal>
          <texcoord>0.0000,0.0000</texcoord>
        </vertex>
        <vertex>
          <position>304.8000,304.8000,0.0000</position>
          <normal>0.0000,1.0000,0.0000</normal>
          <texcoord>0.0000,0.0000</texcoord>
        </vertex>
      </triangle>

In the Daz portion of the transfer tool, I am not currently doing anything with these values, because quite frankly I have not been able to determine what script functionality would be used to do so.  However, since the models I import appear visually correct, I am wondering if I actually need to apply these values, or if the normals are being calculated for me by Daz?

Obviously I'd like to be sure my trasnfer tool is creating geometry correctly in Daz (appearances aside), so:

(a) Do I actually need to be applying the numeric normals values?

(b) If yes, I would appreciate a pointer as to what function to use to do so.

Apologies in advance, as I'm sure this is obvious to experienced users, but I am having a very hard time finding this information in the curent documentation.

Regards,
Mike

So, I think I've worked all the bugs out of the hair up to this point. I have created the autofit morphs for the G7 characters I own copies of. I'm working on a morph to control the scale of the ponytail, in addition to the length morph. I think I need a few styling morphs for the bangs, as well. Suggestions on that are welcome. I'll update again when I'm done with that scale morph.

Traveler has some underwater plants, too, that I like to use.  I made a whole ocean bottom with the plants that DAZ had before the RDNA merger and it was a little bit sad and tedious because I did it before any of the instancing scripts came out.  I used the Ultramarine as the base.  After the RDNA merger, I picked up Traveler kelplands plants and they did really amazingly well at filling in the holes left by the coral and other plants that were already in the store.  I'm still fine tuning my ocean but it's going to be great when I get it finished for future renders.  Not sure what happened to Vol 1.  It doesn't seem to have made the transfer.  I would definitely love some more underwater plants.

https://www.daz3d.com/rdna-kelplands-vol-2
https://www.daz3d.com/rdna-kelplands-vol-3
https://www.daz3d.com/rdna-kelplands-vol-4

Yes. She is built on Growing Up so you can just dial some of those out. You might have to adjust the Youth Head Proportion morph a bit but she can be an adult if you want.

Might be a missunderstanding. I didn't mean adult parts. I meant, if it is possible to have this character as an adult woman, e.g. by using some morph sliders. 

Exporting for use in which program?  You can save a changed mesh as an obj for use in another program such as Poser or Daz Studio, but you have to use the correct scales.  For use entirely within Carrara, you simply have to validate the morph and save the figure.  For use within Carrara, you can also save the changed mesh as an obj and use the "load" dialogue, I think.

I have an example of morphing a Daz figure and exporting to Daz Studio around here.

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/2374041/#Comment_2374041

I think the trick is to offer a set of regular looking characters. Check out AliveSheCried's sets at Rendo.

This is what I am talking about... why aren't these products here? 

I actually do have all of the morph packages and body shapers for G3, but to tell you the truth, it's not quite enough.  Bethany is a good start to a mainline figure that's not 100% fit... where's the male equivilant? 

That would be George.
https://www.daz3d.com/george-hd-for-genesis-3-male-s

I've got George... he's okay, but I'm talking something in between that you don't have to mix and match...

Is there any Carrara 8.5 documentation on exporting morph targets? The user manual under the help menu in Carrara 8.5 is actually for Carrara 7 and it explains how to export morph targets. Unfortunately the model room morph tab controls are not the same as Carrara 8.5.

  If no documentation, can anyone help?

So its a morph set or just i whole figure morph and add on fins?

And what orange banner I only have one for the Amber bundle which I'm not interested in- should thst reduce the creech products?

https://www.daz3d.com/creech-evolution-for-genesis-3-female

Creech Evolution for Genesis 3 Female

This is the female version of the character including all the textures and materials you'd expect with the hide/ show material presets for the Addon Fins. All the morphs of the male(plus a sexier human mouth morph) can be used on any Genesis 3 female character. The same goes for the addon fins and the textures. There is an Earth tone and a brilliant Green skin included here as well.

I couldn't quite tell from the description if this is a morph and textures or a 'outfit'?