I also bought another product today (dforce Sea Salt For Genesis 3 & 8 Female(s)) and there I had no issues with a manual download.

I assume they forgot to add a link on the page. Hopefully someone deals with that soon.
If this product requires Daz Central then I have to ask for a refund. It makes absolutely no sense as there is nothing to install anyway.

It seems that Frontier Outpost it is intentionally not available in DIM. Attached screenshot is what I got when I bought it just now ... and when I started DIM, it is not included in my Ready to Download list.

I clicked on the link where it says "Visit this order's details to manually download and install your products." and that page shows me a Manual Download link. However, clicking on that link just takes me to the Product Library where there is no download option. So it seem the only way to install Frontier Outpost is through DazCentral.

Apparently it's an issue with Frontier Outpost. Because apparently it's not even showing up in Daz Central.

Thanks. Yes, I saw that after I posted. I haven't installed DazCentral yet because the only feedback I've seen on it is about people having issues  ... and I've also never had any problems using DIM or installing things manually.

It seems that Frontier Outpost it is intentionally not available in DIM. Attached screenshot is what I got when I bought it just now ... and when I started DIM, it is not included in my Ready to Download list.

I clicked on the link where it says "Visit this order's details to manually download and install your products." and that page shows me a Manual Download link. However, clicking on that link just takes me to the Product Library where there is no download option. So it seem the only way to install Frontier Outpost is through DazCentral.

Apparently it's an issue with Frontier Outpost. Because apparently it's not even showing up in Daz Central.

I wouldn't mind so much if I could download it in DAZ Central, but it doesn't show up in my assets. And clicking on the DAZ Central buttons on the order page simply takes me to the download page for DAZ Central... and yes, I have DAZ Central installed on my machine. It shows all the assets I purchased up until Stonemason's Frontier Outpost.

Selling us something which we can't get by any means is a problem, a BIG problem.

Well, if it isn't showing up even in Daz Central then I think it's a bug/mistake, so it should also show up in DIM when they fix it, hopefully.

I certainly hope so. 

It's doubly painful that it happened with something by Stonemason. His (or her) stuff is always excellent.

i thought they said we could use both DIM and the new content installer (Daz Central).  I havent downloaded the new one yet because people said it was buggy.

And on top of that, it doesn't show up in the DAZ Central assets list after purchase, leaving no way to download it.  

I have sent a message to DAZ asking them about this. Waiting for a response.

I just noticed the new Frontier Outpost from Stonemason only says "Central" in the "Install Types" category. And it's the only item I have seen like that so far.

I'm hoping it's a mistake but I'm not buying that until I'm sure. Will wait until this is clarified before saying more but if it's indeed the case.... oooh boy....

I've just noticed that - mostly because I noticed your post; I'd finally decided to get Daisy 8 and a couple of add-ons, and a Thorne character in the $1.99 - damn it.

I've raised a ticket for a refund. Not happy.

So you bought the Frontier Outpost and it doesn't show on DIM? I mean, I don't really care if the DIM links are not on the site, I don't use them anyway. I just open DIM, install whatever I bought. But if I have to use Daz Central, well... nope. I actually wanted to like it, I just built a new rig so I tried to use it with a fresh install. It was a complete mess, so uninstalled and won't try again.

Edit:
 

I wouldn't mind so much if I could download it in DAZ Central, but it doesn't show up in my assets. And clicking on the DAZ Central buttons on the order page simply takes me to the download page for DAZ Central... and yes, I have DAZ Central installed on my machine. It shows all the assets I purchased up until Stonemason's Frontier Outpost.

Selling us something which we can't get by any means is a problem, a BIG problem.

Well, if it isn't showing up even in Daz Central then I think it's a bug/mistake, so it should also show up in DIM when they fix it, hopefully.

Does this mean Mac users and everyone who won't use Daz Central are doomed?  When you click 'Manual Download' it takes you to your product library... where there's no download link for Frontier Outpost at all.

If this is a way to 'encourage' people to use Daz Central, it's pretty poor.  Especially if they're deliberately excluding a chunk of their market by failing to have the option available at all.

 

*ETA: Central, not Connect. Tho Frontier Outpost isn't available in Connect either.

I wouldn't mind so much if I could download it in DAZ Central, but it doesn't show up in my assets. And clicking on the DAZ Central buttons on the order page simply takes me to the download page for DAZ Central... and yes, I have DAZ Central installed on my machine. It shows all the assets I purchased up until Stonemason's Frontier Outpost.

Selling us something which we can't get by any means is a problem, a BIG problem.

I just noticed the new Frontier Outpost from Stonemason only says "Central" in the "Install Types" category. And it's the only item I have seen like that so far.

I'm hoping it's a mistake but I'm not buying that until I'm sure. Will wait until this is clarified before saying more but if it's indeed the case.... oooh boy....

I can't imagine they will exclude any products from being downloadable via DIM, it would make no sense.

I wonder if it is only available on Daz Central.  Some discussion of this with another of today's products here:

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/411556/what-happened-to-my-install-manager-links-daz-central-only#latest

I just bought Stonemasons Frontier Outpost (and added a free one with the coupon).

The free one appeared in my content, the Frontier Outpost did not.

I already filed a ticket, but for the last one DAZ took nearly seven weeks to answer ...
And again they are forcing a new buggy software on the users, since the new content only is downloadable through DAZ Central.
But what does DAZ care? they have my money and obviously anyway see no obligation to deliver the content bought or see that it works.

I just noticed the new Frontier Outpost from Stonemason only says "Central" in the "Install Types" category. And it's the only item I have seen like that so far.

I'm hoping it's a mistake but I'm not buying that until I'm sure. Will wait until this is clarified before saying more but if it's indeed the case.... oooh boy....

I've just noticed that - mostly because I noticed your post; I'd finally decided to get Daisy 8 and a couple of add-ons, and a Thorne character in the $1.99 - damn it.

I've raised a ticket for a refund. Not happy.

DIM disappears, so do I.

I trust DIM to do what it says. I have al sorts of reservations about Smart Content, and now DazCentral.

DIM, as an acronym works; it's meaning is succinct - and it does manage my installs.

Daz Central sounds (and behaves) like big brother.

Studio 4.9 felt like Daz was trying to force something down my throat; this feels the same.

Daz Central is DIM with a simplified interface and option tree, for the benefit of new users.

It quite clearly isn't, when you consider all the reports and issues folks are having. Not to mention (ok I have) all the blatant dislike.

There seems to be noting simple about it.

I don't get it; Dim presents the products I haven't downloaded; those I have but haven't installed; and, those installed. That is simple.

I can't help thinking (taking at face-value, Daz's reasons), that Daz are using a software solution to fix a communication problem - or lack of communication in the form of viable instructions. Not that DIM requires many.

If you can't figure out DIM, how the hell are you going to figure out how to render anything.

https://www.daz3d.com/frontier-outpost The only installation type is DazCentral. Is this an error, or is this intentional? :-o

https://www.daz3d.com/frontier-outpost The only installation type is DazCentral. Is this an error, or is this intentional? :-o

Same for https://www.daz3d.com/shaders--skin-shaders-community-workshop

Hopefully not since Daz Central is still only on Windows as far as I know. Sending an inquiry.

Also, if you don't have "Show center axes" unticked, the axes might not appear anyway depending on which tool you have selected. You may have mainly been using a certain tool for quite some time, then switched to a different one—intentionally or accidently—and that's when the axes appeared.

Depending on which tool you select, different axes displays will appear for whatever item you have selected in the scene. For example, create a cube, and select it in the Scene tab. Then with the cube selected, click on the various tool icons across the top (or wherever you have your tools):

• Scene Navigation: No axes
• Node Selection: No axes
• Universal Tool: XYZ translate axes will appear for the object, along with rotation rings (when hovered over), and small "cubes" on the axes for scaling
• Rotation Tool: Only the three rotation rings will appear
• Translate Tool: Only the XYZ translate axes
• Scale Tool: Only the scaling "cubes" will be visible on XYZ, plus a central one to scale all

For a long time I only used the Universal Tool. Then one day I must have hit a key combination or something, or inadvertently selected one of the other tools, and I had no idea why my axes disappeard and I couldn't get them back. I was lost without the axes! I said words my mama wouldn't want me saying until I figured out why they had disappeared.

Does this mean Mac users and everyone who won't use Daz Central are doomed?  When you click 'Manual Download' it takes you to your product library... where there's no download link for Frontier Outpost at all.

If this is a way to 'encourage' people to use Daz Central, it's pretty poor.  Especially if they're deliberately excluding a chunk of their market by failing to have the option available at all.

*ETA: Central, not Connect. Tho Frontier Outpost isn't available in Connect either.

DIM links completely removed from order page. The Daz Studio download page forcing Central to download. This isn't good.

I'm sorry to sound like I'm complaining, but this is shady. If Central is going to be replacing DIM, I'd appreciate being told the truth now rather than later. And if not, why have so many recent updates of the Daz website make it seem that way? Surely Central and DIM should have equal representation, but it seems like the very best effort is being made to sweep DIM under the proverbial rug.

And that there is no option that I can see in Daz Central for custom folder locations, it is a very big turn off for me.. My guess is they are expecting everyone to have multi gigabyte/terabyte system drives to cram everything on..

I just noticed the new Frontier Outpost from Stonemason only says "Central" in the "Install Types" category. And it's the only item I have seen like that so far.

I'm hoping it's a mistake but I'm not buying that until I'm sure. Will wait until this is clarified before saying more but if it's indeed the case.... oooh boy....

This is really a comment. I have been delayed in producing more work of my own by issues about how I can distribute my own work and protect from unauthorised copying etc[ as well as by other isseus]. Likewise I wish to protect the intellectual property rights of DAZ creators. 

Taking this into account I believe that DAZ needs to set more prescriptions on how we set up our devices. But also they need to take into account the fact that some people are just doing renders on a laptop and may want roaming capabilities whereas other people are trying to do some serious renders and animation and want a good set up at home with a main machine one or more render boxes and a separate disk station or indeed home network server.

DAZ probably needs a render node available [perhaps it already is available] as many fancy doody expensive programs already do? Also we need to be able to use home network storage devices not just hard drives on one machine. I orginally set up a disk station on my home machine to make maintaining my DAZ content easier. It has proved to make it harder. I aslo wanted to use that same content from my render box machine. My understanding is that does not cotravene the EULA because the content can be used on more than one machine but by the same person.

I note that I do not have a separate server and simply use software on my main machine to download and install on the diskstation. Perhaps I should be doing it differently? Also I could use the same user name to log onto the two different machines and use the same name to specify the shared folder on my diskstation. Many people are doing the same thing but perhaps are more au fait with the process and don't have as many problems as me. Every time there is a new update to DIM there seems to be a problem. I actually got the diskstation after purchasing a  DAZ tutotiral on how to set up your content. The diskstation sounded like a good idea so that you can easily maintain your DAZ data and access as required. It also means that if you had set up RAID you could easily fix hardware problems.

It seems that it should be fairly simple to write a new installer program [given the complexity of what DAZ does such as iRay algorithms etc]. But it is important that we are told specifically what is allowed and what is not allowed. If I must go back to simply installing on one machine on one of my internal hard drives I will do so to enable to use the content I already have purchased. 

I actually wanted to check I could reinstall DAZ easily using the new DAZ Central. It certainly doesn't work currently at least to the folder you specifiy. I can actually use DAZ from the folder it is currently residing in and point to the right content database without any problems. However because I now can't install Postgre SQL CMS it can't read my installed content on the diskstation. But DAZ Central doesn't work and nor does DIM work any longer as well. So this seems like a good time to raise this issue. Perhaps these problems wouldn't occur if the EULA and or set up prescription issues are solved?

Installiing also adds the information about the filles to the local database - another system will not get that unless the database (Ediit>Preferences>CMS Settings>Content Cluster directory) is also shared.

Do note that Daz does not create or code Iray, nVidia supplies it as a osed box and Daz integrates it into DS using the APIs - this is also true from 3Del;ight, from DNA Research rather than nVidia, and from Optiiex the older dynamic clothing system from before dForce..

Thanks for the reply Richard,

I see what you mean about details of programming however, I still would have thought that the writing and debugging the code for file downloader would have been more Commercial Programming 101 rather than all the feeatures in DAZ itself including using the nVidia and other Applications Programming Interfaces. [I had to look that acronymn up again but I had remembered the concept okay].

I had forgotten to wake up my diskstation it keeps defaulting to automatic sleep after a period when it upgrades. When I do that before I open DAZ the postgre connection is established okay and I can access my content. So my old copy of DAZ is working okay.

Even with Central uninstalled DIM is still not reading the files okay on installed drive even if I have a good connection to drive. I probably should say it is not listing files okay because I think that is the Windows permission? Reading I suppose means accessing the contents of a file. It starts off with all my content ready to download. Then it starts to install basic free content. It installs them successfully except for DAZ studio 4.12 program and the PostgreSQL CMS connection. It also seems to be altering the paths I have set for my content database.. It tacks on the "Applications/Data/DAZ 3D/My DAZ 3D Library onto my path specified z:users/public/documents/MyDAZ 3D Library

The programs paths get changed to /Applications/ 64-bit and 32-bit respectively. Perhaps I should change my DAZ password and see if that helps?

DIM links completely removed from order page. The Daz Studio download page forcing Central to download. This isn't good.

I'm sorry to sound like I'm complaining, but this is shady. If Central is going to be replacing DIM, I'd appreciate being told the truth now rather than later. And if not, why have so many recent updates of the Daz website make it seem that way? Surely Central and DIM should have equal representation, but it seems like the very best effort is being made to sweep DIM under the proverbial rug.