Has the "additional products used in promo images" been expanded/improved? I seem to remember there was a more restrictive limit. Here's an example.

https://www.daz3d.com/vyk-marty-for-victoria-81

Thanks to aprilshowers2065 & Luci45 for your comments
This looks like a real great comeback for the RRRRR!

vamok #2: Fun one, you can always navigate wrong, more or less.
prilshowers2065 #5: What can I say? As long as they do not both get mortally injured, great idea!
luci45 #6: Haha, great one! Almost like the year meeting for the clairvoyant association was cancel due to unforeseen events.
Daventaki #5: Timing is everything, great one!
katfeete #3: Anceient guardians, they are the worst, they have had so much time to practice, good one!
Daventaki #6: No IP96 classification on that tablet, poor Victoria, very good one!
aprilshowers2065 #6: This one is really funny, Honey I shrunk the kids but funnier!
katywhite #1: Welcome! And a great start. I know, no one believes you when you are s superhero!

I think this is her.. .https://www.daz3d.com/ry-elysa-for-victoria-8

And as a personal note, you don't go wrong with Raiya characters. They are always very well done.

Thanks, Phoenix1966.
You are right ... I did not pay attention to the fact that Victoria 8.1 is needed,and I do not have that character.
My bad.
Thanks for answering, and my apologies for this post!

I noticed the product does list Victoria 8.1 as a requirement. Those files you listed come with Victoria 8.1.

Your best bet is to file a support ticket to find out, I think.

Tackling the issues after they happen is not very fantastic for the customers who have to deal with them. In the long run this comes back to hurt Daz more than it is worth, as these frustrations can be what pushes the customer away. I don't know about you, but unhappy customers are usually not good for business. 

We also have the secondary issue of how installing lots of morphs causes load times to increase. I think this issue is even more serious, because it can effect everybody. And it effects the most loyal customers most, which kind of feels insulting when you think about it. That Genesis 8 has had a long run is not even a point. Victoria 4 STILL has new products being created for it, years after Daz stopped selling new content. You can still find new content for Genesis 3 as well. The damage is done and is on going. We can see the posts here in the forums, as numerous people have openly said they cut back on buying new characters because of the growing load times. No matter how you try to paint it, this issue effects Daz's bottom line, and even worse, it effects their most loyal customers. That is the worst part of all this, it is the loyal customer who is more likely to get burned. Besides, cycling a new Genesis every 2 years was not going to be sustanable, either. That is very likely why 8 has lasted so long. Many customers were growing tired of new generations and this is a direct result of Daz listening to that feedback. It also takes a lot of money to develop a new figure base, so developing a new base just for the sake of doing so isn't so great. So Daz put themselves in a bind either way.

The only other thing possible is for DS to check vendor names in duplicate ID situations, and use the vendor to seperate the morphs by automatically adding a vendor sig to the morph. This vendor sig would be hidden to the customer unless they select an option to unhide them. But this would probably be time consuming as well, and it may not even be possible with DS code. But the vendor is listed in every data file. The vendor name is listed at the top of the data file, so at least scanning this information might not take too long if needed. For the cherry on top this process is permenant, so that next time the customer loads the characters they do not get duplicate IDs at all. Why DS does not already check the vendor name is beyond me.

However this solution does not address the growing load times.

certaintree38 said:

xyer0 said:

I don't get it. The tester won't be twiddling his/her thumbs while the character loads; they'll be doing another task until it loads, like the rest of us do. Once it loads, they'll test it. No time or labour lost.

The Victoria / Michael 4 setup used the morph checklist idea. People hated it. What we have now is the solution for that. If Genesis 8 only had a 2-year run, then we (most of us) would not have discovered the long load times of having too many morphs.

Ok, yes, that's true. I just don't see it happening. There are new characters released every day, so each day the load times would be getting incrementally longer. At the very least, the total length of time to get those characters tested would be much longer. When before you could get things through the QA process in a few minutes, each item would now take maybe an hour or longer. If you only have one computer for this process, this would mean multiple hours added to the QA workflow. You can do things while you wait, but it's still going to be a lot longer before you can get all the products through the process each day. I just can't imagine Daz slowing down their process to that degree. I guess if you had more people doing QA, and more computers set up for it, it wouldn't be so bad. 

Not to forget, that DAZ store is not the only source of assets/products.

Even if DAZ had a computer with all of the (currently available) 38166 items installed, the conflicts would still be there due to all the freebies and other assets from 3rd party sources.

xyer0 said:

I don't get it. The tester won't be twiddling his/her thumbs while the character loads; they'll be doing another task until it loads, like the rest of us do. Once it loads, they'll test it. No time or labour lost.

The Victoria / Michael 4 setup used the morph checklist idea. People hated it. What we have now is the solution for that. If Genesis 8 only had a 2-year run, then we (most of us) would not have discovered the long load times of having too many morphs.

Ok, yes, that's true. I just don't see it happening. There are new characters released every day, so each day the load times would be getting incrementally longer. At the very least, the total length of time to get those characters tested would be much longer. When before you could get things through the QA process in a few minutes, each item would now take maybe an hour or longer. If you only have one computer for this process, this would mean multiple hours added to the QA workflow. You can do things while you wait, but it's still going to be a lot longer before you can get all the products through the process each day. I just can't imagine Daz slowing down their process to that degree. I guess if you had more people doing QA, and more computers set up for it, it wouldn't be so bad. 

I don't get it. The tester won't be twiddling his/her thumbs while the character loads; they'll be doing another task until it loads, like the rest of us do. Once it loads, they'll test it. No time or labour lost.

The Victoria / Michael 4 setup used the morph checklist idea. People hated it. What we have now is the solution for that. If Genesis 8 only had a 2-year run, then we (most of us) would not have discovered the long load times of having too many morphs.

I used to use NLA clips, but I prefer to just do it all by hand for each animation now - since each of my characters requires their own, individual treatment anyways.

I even animate the strenomastoids in the neck, so yeah... I agree with what you just said and more.

After observing folks, I also notice that people rarely 'stare' people down as they talk. The eyes come back and lock for at least a portion of a second, but then the eyes either roll to the side, up or down, depending on the individual. 

My sister always rolls her eyes to the side and up every single time she makes conversation. 

I tried performing eye-lock on someone while I was talking to them, just to prove to myself how much I never do that. It made the recipient feel a bit uncomforatble too - I could tell.

I like to move Rosie's nostrils, sink that lower center oart of the throat (whatever the hell that's called) and accentuate one of the sternomastoids that run up and down the throat on either side of that part. 

For breathing, I made my own Torso Scrunch controller morph that I use in conjunction with the Inhale morph from V4 Morphs ++ (now called Shapes ++? Not sure it's still the same). So I added Chest Bend, Abdomen Bend, Abdomen 2 Bend, Neck Bend and Arms Twist and made a freebie: Genesis 1 MorphForms +

It works great!

I do find that it's more difficult (less simple?) for me to animate the fingers on Genesis than what I've grown so accusomed to with generation 4. Probably because Rosie 5 is so vastly different in shape and size from the base, unlike Rosie 4. So I'm already planning some additions to that product.

Blinks I do by hand as well. With Rosie 4, I simply used the Blink and Blink Twice aniBlocks from Victoria Alive. I have just picked up Genesis Alive, but keep forgetting to try it. I actually enjoy just doing these things by hand. 

All I've been doing these days is animating and then running simulations on cloth and hair. What a freaking Blast!!!

Perhaps the way DS reads the data could be changed to at least aid in minimizing this issue. I think it is enevitable that products use the same name get released at some point. It is impossible for us all to keep track of that. What DS needs to do is to have a better way of treating this problem instead of popping up errors and jacking up load times by absurd margains. If Daz wishes to be a popular product, it is their best interest to find a way to handle this, because this issue only happens because of popularity. All sorts of places are making Daz content, and Daz releases a ton of content every day. Either way, the users get extremely frustrated with these kinds of issues.

As for what DS can actually do, I think a new setting in the menu to tell DS "hey, I do not want to load these character morphs" would be our answer to a lot of problems. I think A LOT of people would want this option. Since most people do not want to go back to the Victoria 4 way of injecting morphs, I think this kind of setting would be the best of both. This setting is found in the preferences menu, and users would be able to define which morphs to ignore. It is not the same as uninstalling or moving a character's files, which is pretty annoying. Users could in and search by name for what morphs to ignore, and check them off. This option needs to exist so people can load their characters faster and also avoid this duplicate ID issue. When they wish to use those morphs again, they simply remove them from the ignore list.

I am sure a number of clever script writers would also come up with ways to enhance this experience for users, which would offer Daz the chance to sell something on top of solving this problem. A chance to solve a problem AND make money on top of it? Sounds like a WIN-WIN.

The longer Daz ignores this issue the more of a problem it will become. And frustrating users is what turns them away. That loses money.

Just caught up on this thread... WOW!
Hopefully everyone affected by "item returns" get their inventory (and their trust) restored. It seems like the sales team is working hard to make it right.
Having this new "bundle discount feature" being applied to a small subset of bundles on a promotion page (where the offer expires at DAZ midnight) seems to have caused a lot of issues for everyone involved... for both customers and the sales team.
After reading that 35 people had individual items from PRO BUNDLES (that they PAID FOR) removed after starter bundles were "returned", had me obsessively double-checking through my entire order history and product library; but alas, it looks like I just got lucky... nothing appears to have been removed.
The whole Starter Bundle not showing as purchased when you purchased a Pro Bundle (that includes all the Starter Bundle content) thing has been a longstanding issue for many of us long-time customers. We've tried to get around these missing store features by using third party browser extensions like the DAZ DEALS plugin to hide bundles (that just have items we've already purchased), but this gets really tedious... and manually hiding items with the DAZ DEALS plugin can cause other unintended consequences... the HIDE ITEMS feature can inadvertently hide new releases in published artist pages.
It would save us all so much headache if bundles consisting of items we've already purchased, simply showed as purchased, so we could easily hide these with the Hide Items I Own checkbox in the SHOP page.
This new bundle discount feature finally gave us a way to do this... but... attaching it to a promotion that expires, instead of rolling it out as a store-wide feature for all bundles... seems to have caused a ton of customer confusion, and many unintended consequences.
Here is the complete list of bundles that I was able to purchase during the promotion (which consisted entirely of items that I already purchased):
Nix 8 Starter Bundle    56191    $89.95    $0.00
Eva 8 Starter Bundle    55721    $89.95    $0.00
Mei Lin 8 Starter Bundle    55165    $89.95    $0.00
Vladimir 8 Starter Bundle    54311    $89.95    $0.00
Gia 8 Starter Bundle    54301    $89.95    $0.00
Latonya 8 Starter Bundle    52603    $89.95    $0.00
Zelara 8 Starter Bundle    53501    $89.95    $0.00
Mabel 8 Starter Bundle    51999    $89.95    $0.00
Teen Kaylee 8 Starter Bundle    50711    $89.95    $0.00
The Girl 8 Starter Bundle    51611    $89.95    $0.00
Victorian Lords and Ladies Bundle    52103    $51.95    $0.00
Floyd 8 Starter Bundle    51345    $89.95    $0.00
Mika 8 Starter Bundle    49831    $89.95    $0.00
Edie 8 Starter Bundle    50483    $89.95    $0.00
Penny 8 Starter Bundle    50911    $89.95    $0.00
Ollie 8 Starter Bundle    50219    $89.95    $0.00
Aiko 8 Starter Bundle    49971    $89.95    $0.00
Edward 8 Starter Bundle    49695    $89.95    $0.00
Alexandra 8 Starter Bundle    49589    $89.95    $0.00
Karyssa 8 Starter Bundle    49303    $89.95    $0.00
Owen 8 Starter Bundle    49239    $89.95    $0.00
Sakura 8 Starter Bundle    49581    $89.95    $0.00
Very Merry Christmas Bundle    49505    $36.95    $0.00
Charlotte 8 Starter Bundle    48897    $89.95    $0.00
Darius 8 Starter Bundle    48915    $89.95    $0.00
Monique 8 Starter Bundle    47319    $89.95    $0.00
Lucas 8 Starter Bundle    46771    $89.95    $0.00
Stephanie 8 Starter Bundle    46423    $89.95    $0.00
Teen Josie 8 Starter Bundle    45787    $89.95    $0.00
Michael 8 Starter Bundle    45775    $89.95    $0.00
Centaur 7 Female Starter Bundle    37325    $89.95    $0.00
Centaur 7 Male Starter Bundle    37319    $89.95    $0.00
Ophelia 7 Starter Bundle    37233    $89.95    $0.00
Victoria 7 Starter Bundle    21751    $89.95    $0.00
Mika 7 Starter Bundle    34207    $89.95    $0.00
Damien Starter Bundle    37283    $89.95    $0.00
Elijah 7 Starter Bundle    36167    $89.95    $0.00
Anneka Starter Bundle    36981    $89.95    $0.00
Genevieve 7 Starter Bundle    35185    $89.95    $0.00
Space Slayer Bundle    35353    $109.95    $0.00
Frankie Fusion Bundle    35275    $45.95    $0.00
Candy Cane Bundle    36191    $44.95    $0.00
Darius 7 Starter Bundle    34029    $89.95    $0.00
Monique 7 Starter Bundle    33291    $89.95    $0.00
Lucian 7 Starter Bundle    34201    $89.95    $0.00
Phoenix Bundle    34989    $44.95    $0.00
Lilith 7 Starter Bundle    32511    $89.95    $0.00
Sunny 7 Starter Bundle    29322    $89.95    $0.00
Tween Ryan 7 Starter Bundle    31785    $89.95    $0.00
Genesis 3 Superhero Bundle    31477    $74.95    $0.00
Aiko 7 Starter Bundle    31489    $89.95    $0.00
Ivan 7 Starter Bundle    30852    $89.95    $0.00
Kimo 7 Starter Bundle    30847    $89.95    $0.00
Lee 7 Starter Bundle    24366    $89.95    $0.00
The Guy 7 Starter Bundle    23924    $89.95    $0.00
Gianni 7 Starter Bundle    23795    $89.95    $0.00
Michael 7 Starter Bundle    23038    $89.95    $0.00
Scott 6 Starter Bundle    22514    $89.95    $0.00
Kenji 7 Starter Bundle    31671    $89.95    $0.00
Tween Julie 7 Starter Bundle    23505    $89.95    $0.00
Rune 7 Starter Bundle    31745    $89.95    $0.00
Mei Lin 7 Starter Bundle    24040    $89.95    $0.00
The Girl 7 Starter Bundle    23450    $89.95    $0.00
Izabella 7 Starter Bundle    23141    $89.95    $0.00
Gia 7 Starter Bundle    23508    $89.95    $0.00
Leo 7 Starter Bundle    23377    $89.95    $0.00
Olympia 7 Starter Bundle    23302    $89.95    $0.00
Arabella 7 Starter Bundle    22736    $89.95    $0.00
Bethany 7 Starter Bundle    22564    $89.95    $0.00
Karen 7 Starter Bundle    22421    $89.95    $0.00
Eva 7 Starter Bundle    22455    $89.95    $0.00
Lee 6 Karate Bundle    20333    $34.95    $0.00
Callie 6 Starter Bundle    21112    $89.95    $0.00
Monique 6 Starter Bundle    20800    $89.95    $0.00
Keiko 6 Starter Bundle    20632    $89.95    $0.00
Kalea 7 Starter Bundle    29309    $89.95    $0.00
Belle 6 Starter Bundle    20022    $89.95    $0.00
Teddy Bundle    19595    $35.95    $0.00
Giselle at Home Bundle    20342    $39.95    $0.00
Genesis 2 Female Adventure Bundle    20340    $54.95    $0.00
Stephanie 3.0 Petite Base (Upgrade from Stephanie)    1857    $9.93    $0.00
Sassy Hair 2.0 (Upgrade from Sassy Hair 1)    1864    $9.95    $0.00
WedgeCut Hair 2.0 (Upgrade from Michael's Wedgecut)    2274    $9.93    $0.00
Eagle 2.0 (Upgrade from Eagle 1)    3032    $9.95    $0.00
Aiko 3.0 Mega Bundle    4390    $79.95    $0.00
Victoria 4.2 Starter Bundle    4781    $49.95    $0.00
Curly Hair Bundle    5315    $36.95    $0.00
V4 Teen Ashley - Mega Pack    4954    $27.95    $0.00
Sci Fi Sets and Vehicles Bundle    6067    $42.95    $0.00
V4 Elite Bundle    7417    $99.95    $0.00
Michael 4 Starter Bundle    7879    $49.95    $0.00
Barbarian Blood Bundle    8755    $39.95    $0.00
Anime Star Fighter    8864    $6.95    $0.00
Mei Lin 6 Starter Bundle    19600    $89.95    $0.00
Lilith 6 Starter Bundle    19328    $89.95    $0.00
Giselle 6 Starter Bundle    18535    $89.95    $0.00
Lee 6 Starter Bundle    19220    $89.95    $0.00
Teen Jayden 6 Starter Bundle    18091    $89.95    $0.00
Olympia 6 Starter Bundle    17558    $89.95    $0.00
Michael 6 Starter Bundle    17076    $89.95    $0.00
Teen Josie 6 Starter Bundle    17304    $89.95    $0.00
Advanced DAZ Studio Light Bundle    17456    $24.95    $0.00
The Girl 6 Starter Bundle    16877    $89.95    $0.00
Gia 6 Starter Bundle    16759    $89.95    $0.00
DP Genesis 2 Female(s) Shaders Bundle    16997    $31.95    $0.00
Gianni 6 Starter Bundle    18197    $89.95    $0.00
Aiko 6 Starter Bundle    18911    $89.95    $0.00
Female Anatomy Bundle    16345    $99.95    $0.00
Anatomy 4 Pro Bundle    14533    $199.95    $0.00
Victoria 6 Starter Bundle    16548    $89.95    $0.00
David 5 Starter Bundle    16131    $69.95    $0.00
Male Anatomy Bundle    16346    $99.95    $0.00
DAZ Horse 2 Starter Bundle    15397    $69.95    $0.00
Young Teens 5 Starter Bundle    15517    $69.95    $0.00
Aiko 5 Starter Bundle    15841    $49.95    $0.00
Hiro 5 Clothing and Hair ONLY Bundle    15250    $99.95    $0.00
Candace for Stephanie Bundle    14915    $49.95    $0.00
Genesis Michael Victoria Combo Bundle    15261    $124.95    $0.00
Michael 4 3D Model Pro Suite    14529    $199.95    $0.00
Michael 5 Starter Bundle    14400    $69.95    $0.00
Anatomy Starter Bundle    13941    $49.95    $0.00
SciFi Starter Bundle    12543    $49.95    $0.00
Back2Basics Bundle 02    13354    $34.95    $0.00
Back2Basics Bundle 01    13352    $34.95    $0.00
Anime Manga Starter Bundle    12881    $59.95    $0.00
Victoria 5 Starter Bundle    13495    $69.95    $0.00
Genesis Starter Bundle    13936    $39.95    $0.00
Superhero Bundle    12553    $394.95    $0.00
pw Shaders Bundle    13222    $79.95    $0.00
Anime Manga Enthusiast Bundle    12880    $149.95    $0.00
Super-Physical Female Bundle    12559    $149.95    $0.00
Super-Physicality Bundle    12538    $289.95    $0.00
Teen Josie 7 Starter Bundle    22586    $89.95    $0.00
Darius 6 Starter Bundle    20523    $89.95    $0.00
Ninive 6 Starter Bundle    21322    $89.95    $0.00
Freak Hero Pack    12544    $149.95    $0.00
V4 Hero Pack    12537    $69.95    $0.00
M4 Hero Pack    12535    $69.95    $0.00
Photo Realism Bundle    12191    $99.95    $0.00
Fantasy Starter Bundle    12171    $69.95    $0.00
Shadowcaster Bundle    11000    $39.95    $0.00
The FREAK 4 Starter Pack    9524    $39.95    $0.00
DAZ Pigs    9108    $29.95    $0.00
M4/V4 Creature Creator Bundle    9611    $49.95    $0.00
Dark Rites Bundle    9935    $49.95    $0.00
Victoria 8 Starter Bundle    43675    $89.95    $0.00
Olympia 8 Starter Bundle    44305    $89.95    $0.00
Blue Collar Basics Coveralls for Genesis 2 Males and Females Bundle    21808    $29.95    $0.00
Super-Physical Male Bundle    12558    $149.95    $0.00
Summoned Demon Bundle    12541    $24.95    $0.00

Thanks, Totte.
katfeete #2 Good use of your pull and I love the story.
Daventaki #4 Oh, Baxter! He slowed them down for sure. 
Totte#6 LOL, Suzy and Darius would make a lovely couple! (barbult #2) 
vamok#2 A very interesting pull and a cool render, with more mechs too. Is Sevinine asking for directions?
aprilshowers2065 #5 I guess the passengers take their chances when flying with these guys. 
Daventaki #5 Oops, better to be a little early for a raid.
katfeete #3 Yes, it is addictive! I am enjoying the Comtesse Camelia's adventures. Her story must be told.  
Daventaki #6 Poor Victoria. I think her horse is telling her that he can dry it with his breath.

pull #7
Darcy Outfit for Genesis 2 Female(s)
Xmas Glass Iray Shaders
Argmar
Real Deal for Real Feel Double Layered T-shirt

Pull #7

3570    Z Strike A Pose - Poses for Genesis 8 Female and Victoria 8    43881
969    Jepe's SpecialZ Part I        10552
2856    Queen of Shadow for Genesis 3 Female(s)        23031
523    Steam and Punk for the Steampunk Ostrich and Carriage Ps    79381

tag: Daventaki #6

At the Bottom
While taking a short ride before the meeting Victoria decided to check her emails, unfortunately she lost her grip and the brand new tablet fell right into the water....

Daventaki said:

Pull #6

2209    Song of Sorrow Poses for Genesis 8 Female    60473
920    Ember Horse Texture for Daz Horse 2    74167
3281    Victoria 8 HD Add-On    43679
1734    Grimes Free Bundle Scenes    69173

Also Used:

English Saddle for Daz Horse 2
Breezy Days Outfit for G8F
Camila Hair for G8F
Summer Footwear Collection
Tablet from Z My Favorite Gadgets

Because I pulled the Grimes bundle I used the Saba's AlKair Building then used a tree from Willow Creek since its all enviroment sets.

At the Bottom
While taking a short ride before the meeting Victoria decided to check her emails, unfortunately she lost her grip and the brand new tablet fell right into the water....

Pull #6

2209    Song of Sorrow Poses for Genesis 8 Female    60473
920    Ember Horse Texture for Daz Horse 2    74167
3281    Victoria 8 HD Add-On    43679
1734    Grimes Free Bundle Scenes    69173

Hello,

I have the latest version of Daz3d + Victoria 8.1. When I use Facetransfer now will Victoria 8.1 be used as the model?

Thank you very much for any reply :-)

Jan Ogiers

watchdog79 said:

Leana said:

richardandtracy said:

Well, the RiverSoft character convertor pointed to by watchdog79 worked in converting V7 (including textures) to G8F for me, so I suspect it'd do the same for Lydia if she uses V7 UV's. As it happens Lydia is in my wishlist, and has been for a while.

The character converter promo pics specify that the transfered materials may have problems with textures not using the base G3F UVs, though.

Lydia product page says:

• This product uses the Victoria 7 UV Maps"

If it worked on Victoria 7, it may work for Lydia, then? 

One would definitely hope so. Might be worth getting, trying and returning if it doesn't work.

Regards,

Richard 

Leana said:

richardandtracy said:

Well, the RiverSoft character convertor pointed to by watchdog79 worked in converting V7 (including textures) to G8F for me, so I suspect it'd do the same for Lydia if she uses V7 UV's. As it happens Lydia is in my wishlist, and has been for a while.

The character converter promo pics specify that the transfered materials may have problems with textures not using the base G3F UVs, though.

Lydia product page says:

• This product uses the Victoria 7 UV Maps"

If it worked on Victoria 7, it may work for Lydia, then?