No promises, but I've brought some of your concerns to the right people and they are considering some updates. It will have to go through the standard discuss/design/implement routine so it will take some time if they do like the suggested updates but the right people are aware.

Note that we aren't talking "updates", we're talking "put the old working layout back because this one is useless".

Exactly.  And the issue is even more infuriatiing because all that data was replaced by an AD that repeats on every single page.  I haven't loaded DAZ Central yet because I already know, from many people who've been unfortunate enough to do so, that it won't currently support my runtime structure, but I'd been holding an open mind towards it were they able to get it working properly.  However, if I have to keeping staring at a stupid ad for it every time I go to my product library and see it sitting there where USEFUL information once was, that open mind goes out the window and the odds are that I will NEVER try it out of pure and simple spite.       

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Except that people who do have Daz Central installed confirmed that the files really weren't available that way either. It really was that the file association (the way the system knows which files go with which product) had failed, not part of a conspiracy.

Cool. I still don't want that mess on my computer, I'm still mad about this completely unwarranted and deeply regressive change, and it still feels like Daz is pushing us toward something invasive that the majority neither want nor need. They replaced literally all of the useful info in our on-site product libraries with a DazCentral advertisement, on every single page. Given the timing, I don't find it surprising or unreasonable that people are feeling a bit conspiratorial and bracing for the worst.

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set of terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

...cloud storage means you have to be online. I am not fond of having to be online when working as it is dependent on your connection and takes up additional system resoruces as well.

There's no reason you'd have to be, and I don't think anyone is suggesting using cloud storage as anything more than a backup for our data in case the worst happens. We all seem to appreciate at least some degree of disconnect between Studio and the internet, preferring manual installation or DIM.

I'm not a fan of using the cloud in lieu of local storage, but I'm a big fan of using it to back select things up for subsequent retrieval. I'd never trust cloud storage in situations where you have to read/write to it constantly. In general I hate remote read/write stuff, ever since college when they disabled all local saving and forced us to read from and write directly to a university server. Unsurprisingly, a whole bunch of our major projects got corrupted in the process. But I'm happy to pay Apple a buck a month for the space to keep copies my pictures and documents (I maintain all of the data locally as well and all access is local), and $10/mo to Dropbox for everything else (uploaded on my schedule).

Any version of Studio that starts requiring us to use DazCentral or have an always-on connection is the version I will refuse to install, ever, no matter how many attractive upgrades it brings.

...I have one backup drive and am looking at getting another larger one when my next cheque comes through.  I like keeping things local and am not a fan of putting my more important or critical work on someone else's server where can be hacked  Dropbox security has been breached both last year and more recently.  

I don't upload anything I would consider to be "secure" information, nor would ever recommend someone to do so. If someone hacks into my Dropbox, they won't find passwords or banking info, just the mother lode of gluten free recipes, crochet patterns, and bad fanfiction, plus the occasional scene file that they won't be able to use properly. Maybe they'll see a picture or two of my elf's bits, but that's kinda what I'm making those for in the first place. ;)

I understand being concerned about digital security, and I am. I will always choose local storage first and routinely buy the largest devices I can so that I'm able to store everything. I have a storage shelf filled with nothing but hard drives and anything that I would mind someone else seeing never touches iCloud or Dropbox. That doesn't mean I won't consider a digital backup for certain pieces of non-sensitive information. Our art isn't what hackers are looking for. YMMV, of course, but I'm personally not going to lose sleep over someone getting a glimpse of my 20-something character's "anatomical elements," or my recipe for black bean brownies.

The limoncello bundt cake recipe, of course, is another matter entirely.

It's a good update. It's a download page, nobody read the description of the product.

I read those descriptions and checked purchase information all the time. Today I was trying to figure out when I bought the OceanQueen Megabundle and my only recourse, short of looking at every single order until I found it (because we can't search our order history here), was to hunt down the purchase confirmation email from more than four years ago. A couple days back I would have been able to find out in about ten seconds by looking at the info in my product library, but Daz decided it was critical that I no longer be able to do that.

Yesterday I had to submit a tech support ticket and what's already a tedious process took even longer because the purchase information was gone. I had to go reference the order itself; fortunately it was relatively recent and I only had to look through four orders to find it instead of the 345 that OceanQueen would have required (which is how many orders back that purchase was out of 459 total).

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set of terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

...cloud storage means you have to be online. I am not fond of having to be online when working as it is dependent on your connection and takes up additional system resoruces as well.

There's no reason you'd have to be, and I don't think anyone is suggesting using cloud storage as anything more than a backup for our data in case the worst happens. We all seem to appreciate at least some degree of disconnect between Studio and the internet, preferring manual installation or DIM.

I'm not a fan of using the cloud in lieu of local storage, but I'm a big fan of using it to back select things up for subsequent retrieval. I'd never trust cloud storage in situations where you have to read/write to it constantly. In general I hate remote read/write stuff, ever since college when they disabled all local saving and forced us to read from and write directly to a university server. Unsurprisingly, a whole bunch of our major projects got corrupted in the process. But I'm happy to pay Apple a buck a month for the space to keep copies my pictures and documents (I maintain all of the data locally as well and all access is local), and $10/mo to Dropbox for everything else (uploaded on my schedule).

Any version of Studio that starts requiring us to use DazCentral or have an always-on connection is the version I will refuse to install, ever, no matter how many attractive upgrades it brings.

...I have one backup drive and am looking at getting another larger one when my next cheque comes through.  I like keeping things local and am not a fan of putting my more important or critical work on someone else's server where can be hacked  Dropbox security has been breached both last year and more recently.  

Not only do I not use DAZ Central - I use Poser.

And all Poser download files vanished into thin air. Even for Poser only items. DAZ files only.

The files are still there but for whatever reason they're labeled "Daz Studio" now...

I suppose Daz wanted to separate files for programs like blender and C4D from files for DS, and forgot about Poser...

Also my less-than-successful foray into the rap world

So many unsold copies...

Most products from V4 era only have poser files, or have a single install file for both poser and DS. In that case the file wasn't  labeled "ps".
The poser files are definitely still there, just not marked as such.

And in some cases, like V3, you have to download the file and unzip it to find out it's in fact Poser.

But at least we have a nice big advert on every page reminding us of Daz Central. Who needs actual useful information anyway?

Not only do I not use DAZ Central - I use Poser.

And all Poser download files vanished into thin air. Even for Poser only items. DAZ files only.

Yep look closely. Under DAZ Studio there is a file that is labeled (in small print) PS

Not only do I not use DAZ Central - I use Poser.

And all Poser download files vanished into thin air. Even for Poser only items. DAZ files only.

The files are still there but for whatever reason they're labeled "Daz Studio" now...

I suppose Daz wanted to separate files for programs like blender and C4D from files for DS, and forgot about Poser...

Not only do I not use DAZ Central - I use Poser.

And all Poser download files vanished into thin air. Even for Poser only items. DAZ files only.

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Except that people who do have Daz Central installed confirmed that the files really weren't available that way either. It really was that the file association (the way the system knows which files go with which product) had failed, not part of a conspiracy.

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set of terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set of terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

...cloud storage means you have to be online. I am not fond of having to be online when working as it is dependent on your connection and takes up additional system resoruces as well.

There's no reason you'd have to be, and I don't think anyone is suggesting using cloud storage as anything more than a backup for our data in case the worst happens. We all seem to appreciate at least some degree of disconnect between Studio and the internet, preferring manual installation or DIM.

I'm not a fan of using the cloud in lieu of local storage, but I'm a big fan of using it to back select things up for subsequent retrieval. I'd never trust cloud storage in situations where you have to read/write to it constantly. In general I hate remote read/write stuff, ever since college when they disabled all local saving and forced us to read from and write directly to a university server. Unsurprisingly, a whole bunch of our major projects got corrupted in the process. But I'm happy to pay Apple a buck a month for the space to keep copies my pictures and documents (I maintain all of the data locally as well and all access is local), and $10/mo to Dropbox for everything else (uploaded on my schedule).

Any version of Studio that starts requiring us to use DazCentral or have an always-on connection is the version I will refuse to install, ever, no matter how many attractive upgrades it brings.

The version of DIM I'm using on my offline computer is close to two years old now.  It hasn't phoned home since two holiday seasons ago.  Somehow, it's still able to work just fine in offline mode, as is my Daz install which was last updated around that time.

As to how I'm somehow able to still use an older version of DIM has been explained by others, but essentially I manually place the product packages that I manually download from the Daz3D website into the DIM Install folder, then run DIM in offline mode and it does it's thing just fine.  Of course, I'm probably missing out on a few product updates, but as long as the product works well enough already this isn't really a significant issue for me.

DIM also hasn't 'glitched' in almost two years now.  Knock on wood, but my theory is that since I don't have things being changed under the hood in my system by allowing Daz Studio to connect to the internet, well this reduces the risk of the DIM database unintentionally being disrupted by an update, be it on the Daz Studio end or the Windows Update end.  Or via some virus or overzealous anti-malware or something.

There's a few things that my 'Daily Driver' Daz Studio install currently can't handle, namely hairs that take advantage of the latest hair functionality that was added in 4.11/4.12, but my plan has been to not worry about that until my next rendering computer is built.  I have a newer Daz install ready to go on an external drive, but I haven't accessed that install for a few months now.  Gotta luv COVID disrupting income streams...  I could update my Daz Studio install on that computer, but I'm a fan of leaving well enough alone, and the recent changes haven't all been good IMHO.

My biggest issue ATM is that there's only about 30GB of storage space left on the drive that currently hosts my Daz install, so now I have a backlog of products that I haven't installed as there's not enough space left on that drive.  Almost all of the 1.81 TB on that drive is dedicated to Daz stuff, except for Windows and a few other programs = probably less than 150 GB in total is used by other programs.  Most of the other stuff I do using those other programs (mainly Photoshop) is saved on other drives.  Even my relatively tiny game library is being hosted on a separate drive.  So in short, I'm shopping for a 4TB NVME drive ATM... Sabrent makes those.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand.  As others have pointed out, the functionality that used to be in the store where you could see the purchase date of a product on the product library page, as well as the order number, can be important sometimes, as explained by @3Diva and others. 

I THINK I can see what the Daz3D store software developers may be going for with changing a few things.  The Manual Download and Install Manager buttons are a bit larger and more prominent now, with more white space around them.  I'm guessing this is for touch screen functionality, where fat fingers and buttons that are packed more tightly together may not play well with each other.  And as long as the 'Daz Central' paragraph is just a temporary placeholder, and as long as that text eventually gets replaced by the previous product description text that used to be there, as long as that other text is restored soon...

That being said, I prefer the old layout, and think that a happy medium could be achieved here very easily.  If the goal was to make it more tablet/touchscreen user friendly, there are ways to increase the space around objects and make them more readable that wouldn't require a top to bottom redesign of the page.  Anyone that has designed their own web pages knows what I'm talking about here, not specifically but in general web design terms.

I'm not a fan of change for the sake of change.  I get that some people have to justify their jobs, and changing things makes it look like they are doing stuff, but there's a lot of wisdom in 'Leave Well Enough Alone'...  No doubt the Daz3D store software is in need of a long overdue update, but the way things were done product library wise were working just fine for a lot of us, so hopefully the backlash towards the latest changes are sinking in.

I keep a seperate database for purchases that I built from the info in the Library. That way I can keep notes and search that text. I would appreciate the return of that data plus the order numer and date (which I also keep in the database).

As for DAZ Central in its current form it is not useful since I install by categories. (Pre-Gen, Genesis+, Past/Fantasy, Modern/Timeless, Future/SciFi, Environment/Utilities, Animals/Singles) If Central supported there I would reconsider using it.

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.

I'll likewise send a discrete ticket to Tech Support, though I'm considering one to Customer Service as well. They'll be the ones getting to deal with floods of surprise DazCentral-only returns. The whole "it was totally an accident that all this new stuff was listed for DazCentral only" line seems sus in the wake of this library redesign, complete with a download link for it that's suspiciously easy to accidentally click (basically where the product page link used to be). And of course, the new bridges they're advertising heavily are DazCentral only...

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set of terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

...cloud storage means you have to be online. I am not fond of having to be online when working as it is dependent on your connection and takes up additional system resoruces as well.

The Product Page WAS a useful tool for several reasons stated above. Now it's simply a misguided advert for Daz Central. What a poor exchange for the customer. It feels like someone at Daz has decided we should all use Daz Central and they're using any way they can to push it. I'm quite fed up now. That doesn't encourage to stay and spend.

I (curious, optimistic, foolish) tried out Daz Central when it first came out and was still called 'beta'. After I realised that it couldn't cope with custom directories or outside content, and it kept insisting on installing Studio, I uninstalled it and found out it had screwed up my DIM install paths (I install by hand, but use DIM to keep track of updates). It turned out that it had not just messed up DIM, and I ended up having to uninstall Studio and remove any reference to DAZ from the registry, before I could get Studio and DIM working again. At least my content directories were intact and I didn't have to reinstall those.

I'm certainly not letting Daz Central anywhere near my system again, and as I said before in the days of encrypted connect, if this is the way forward for DAZ I'll be saving a lot of money.

I'm not defending the change, but what are some of you doing with your product library that this is such a problem? I almost never look at mine.

I could list 20 reasons but here is one. Some purchases really need to have 4.12 to work, like Face Transfer Unlimited, but others don't, yet as Daz releases a new version it repopulates compatible software to be whatever the latest version is, and lo an behold runtime poser needs 4.12. Until one week ago we knew that was not always the case. If I bought headshop 11 and screenshot the date, I could calculate when the versions were released and know what version worked with it and know it works for Daz 4.10 and if I needed to utilize my plug in purchased with my hard cold cash, because I wanted to use it,  I would what versions to retain on certain PC. As I mentioned in an earlier post the store credit for return policies are time stamped for 30 days. Timestamps are essentials for most humans regarless of vocation (especially DAZ SUPPORT HELP). I refuse to accept DAZ Central. Renderosity may become my new go-to.

One thing to note: even if you hit all the same points, you should find a way to phrase it in your own words if you can. A lot of places, when they realize something is a concerted campaign using all the same forms and words, tend to discount it, no matter how sincere all the people sending it may be.

If you haven't seen the fiasco of the new Product Library, get ready to see one big advertisement for DazCentral, and ALL useful information stripped away. Everyone PLEASE SEND A TICKET TO COMPLAIN.  I'm sending to Technical Support (not sales)  Here's a few key points, feel free to copy/paste or reword. Here's a link to submit a request,  (to Technical Support) hopefully we'll do this en masse.  For the Tech Ticket Tracker, I chose "Locate Product."  (L'Adair also suggested Website Issue. Either will get the message across.)

BTW, if you are required to do the Captcha thing, you are not signed in. Click the sign in button on the top right. Here's the blurb:

The changes to the Product Library are unacceptable. This information needs to be restored:
The order number and date of the order.

I have numerous products that have been pulled from the store. Put back the details. When the product library no longer displays the details of those products,having only a single image is worthless.
And remove the Daz Central advertising. It is NOT THE FOCUS of the Product Library.  

Please consider adding the SKU, so I don't have to open the product page to find it. It would be nice to have the artist's name on the page, too, or at least a link to a working Read Me that will give the artist's name.
The Product Library has now stopped being useful.  Please restore it to what it was meant to be- finding information on PRODUCTS, not Daz Central. 
 

 

Done

Hi.

This is a great development but I cannot see any of the bridges inside DAZ Central. 

Please advise.

Thank you.

One thing to note: even if you hit all the same points, you should find a way to phrase it in your own words if you can. A lot of places, when they realize something is a concerted campaign using all the same forms and words, tend to discount it, no matter how sincere all the people sending it may be.

If you haven't seen the fiasco of the new Product Library, get ready to see one big advertisement for DazCentral, and ALL useful information stripped away. Everyone PLEASE SEND A TICKET TO COMPLAIN.  I'm sending to Technical Support (not sales)  Here's a few key points, feel free to copy/paste or reword. Here's a link to submit a request,  (to Technical Support) hopefully we'll do this en masse.  For the Tech Ticket Tracker, I chose "Locate Product."  (L'Adair also suggested Website Issue. Either will get the message across.)

BTW, if you are required to do the Captcha thing, you are not signed in. Click the sign in button on the top right. Here's the blurb:

The changes to the Product Library are unacceptable. This information needs to be restored:
The order number and date of the order.

I have numerous products that have been pulled from the store. Put back the details. When the product library no longer displays the details of those products,having only a single image is worthless.
And remove the Daz Central advertising. It is NOT THE FOCUS of the Product Library.  

Please consider adding the SKU, so I don't have to open the product page to find it. It would be nice to have the artist's name on the page, too, or at least a link to a working Read Me that will give the artist's name.
The Product Library has now stopped being useful.  Please restore it to what it was meant to be- finding information on PRODUCTS, not Daz Central. 
 

Cloud storage is a good idea, I might back up some of my most important purchases and project files there. I wish I'd started the backup a month ago when I first got a bad feeling, because the slow downloads are killing me. I'm just finishing up page two and I'd guess my average file size has been 400-500MB. Sometimes I'll get a nice utility or script at a couple megs, but then I'll get a 2.5GB set of HDRIs or a 3.5GB set ofW terrain, or just some 800MB hair. With Daz serving things at less than ten MB/s on average through the site, it hurts. Plus I'm half expecting to hear from my ISP, wondering what on earth I'm doing.

Cora, my downloads are still averaging 160- 200+ mbps on average and other than a 9mbps about four days ago, it hasn't slowed. I have found unplugging the modem and router (like what you do when you lose internet) and restarting the computer can sometimes bring a sluggish system back up to par. Try that and see if you are still getting slow speeds?  

For whatever reason, the Daz website is a perpetual thorn in my side. On both of my computers, I cannot use the Daz site specifically and any other page at the same time. Daz demands ALL of the bandwidth available, even just to browse, and will freeze up every single browser tab while it waits to resolve something. Admittedly I'm stuck using wifi upstairs and there's a lot of interference, but even with that taken into consideration I should still be able to get around 300Mbps (~38Mb/s) down over wifi. The thing is that even over that awful wifi, downloads through DIM usually happen significantly faster than ones through the site itself, which have been coming in at 80Mbps (10Mb/s) or less this evening. Sometimes they'll perk up a little, then go right back to downloading a 900MB file, 2MB at a time.

My system is due for a reboot, so I'll do that for thoroughness, but I'm currently getting around 900Mbps down at the box itself and 300Mbps up here. Part of it is that I need a better mesh network (they provided some dual-band units that are absolute garbage), but part of it is the site itself.

It's one more reason I want nothing to do with Central or anything that pushes Central.