Milton the Sidekick Bundle

Install Types:

Hmm, I'm sure DAZ would love everyone to use DAZ Central, but I'm happy with DIM thanks.

Oh hey, an hour ago,  a 3.8 earthquake at the Florida / Alabama state line (north) which is directly above Pensacola. Up by Brewton. I was out walking and didn't feel it, it's about an hour driving time.  Well, so far in 2020 I've been in a pandemic, involved in an evacuation for a forest fire, in a busy hurricane season, and now hearing about an earthquake in the state. Okay, bring on the mudslides... (not possible around here.) 

Oh my gosh. It's like you are disaster central! I was that way for a year and a half working at Fort Knox. Tornados, hurricanes, ice storms, the works! Which sort of reminds me of a hospital soap opera called Holby City when I lived in Switzerland. That show got to be too much because every show was another huge natural disaster and I'm like are they serious?! Or so I thought until I started working at Fort Knox. 

There's no DIM install for Milton (Manual and Daz Central are there)

There is nothing in the Milton Sidekick Bundle: https://www.daz3d.com/milton-the-sidekick-bundle

They list the items in the "what's included" section, but since they're not showing up anywhere other than that text and there is no "This product includes the following products", I don't think they're actually included properly. Another tell-tail sign of them not having actually added the items to the bundle is that the "Install Types" only lists Daz Central, and we know that just means there IS no install types added.

YEP, sinkholes in FL are def a thing - when I lived down in the Clearwater-St. Pete-Tampa area I remember one that ate a house and cars, and more recently I saw (just a coupla years back, i think) that a bit of a block on Central Ave in the St. Pete downtown area near where I worked for a while got sinkholed, but they happen around the state periodically.  So freaky to see those gaping pits erupt/implode suddenly!
    ~Gen

Hmm, I was just coming here to ask the same question. I recently used to DIM to uninstall most of my content and then used it (DIM) to reinstall  the content on an external drive. Now very little shows up in the smart content for G8F. I checked smart content for G7f and G8M and they both seem to working properly.

Please help. How can I get the smart content for G8F back?

ETA: Before anyone asks, NO, I haven't ever downloaded or installed DAZ Central. So, that isn't what is causing the problem.

Assuming you isntalled through Install manager or Daz Central the new version will be available when you log in. There isn't currently a stand-alone installer for Mac, so if you used that previously you will need to uninstall and install through DIM/Daz Central.

No to both quesitons. It is a G8 character with newer outfit.

You may also check where the asset comes from, I mean the file path. Manual install always works, dim should work fine, daz connect needs its path added and some people seem to have issues with it, then there's daz central that I have no idea about.

Personally I do manual install only. That also works fine for third parties.

I long ago gave up on multiple run-times and instals. I use DIM exclusively.

I have recently been trying to learn to import clothing as objects from marvellous designer into Daz Studio and convert them to clothes. The process to do so as best as I can tell, unless you are just rigging the meshes manually, is to use the Asset-transfer utility options in the window pane menue to apply pre existing rigging from a figure that you would like to fit the object to as clothing. I have managed this in the past with no issues (I was still running 4.12 I believe but had not yet switched from the install manager to Daz Central) scince then however, when I attempt to do this The list of Projection templates has mysteriously contracted from it's former length to only, none/ dresses> knee length/ full body/ hair> short or hair> shoulder length. 
I've tried using the transfer utility with a number of figures, with other clothing that is already rigged and with freshly spawned figures and the list is these five options or nothing at all. I have attemped to uninstall and reinstall the program and the starter essentials kits that supposedly contain the data for the projection templates to no avail. 

 

So will I be offered a zip file for the Mesh Grabber, Rotations Add-On. I am not being offered one now. Yes, the product page only shows the installs being DIM and DazCentral and not just one of them which is what you are implying above. Is it correct for an item to show DIM and DazCentral but not the Manual Install?

Daz does not usually offer a plain manual option for software and plug-ins (MeshGrabber and its add-on are plug-ins) - if there's a stand-alone installer that will be offered in addition to DIM/Daz Central, but in this case it appears there isn't.

On the download page for Mesh Grabber IS listed the words Manual Downlaod, The link says Download Zip even though it will give you an EXE file for this particular item. This is how all of the software and plugins that I have from Daz were downloaded. So it seems that Daz usually does offer their software and plugins in this way. But you know that, you been around here as long as I have. So I'll ask you straight out,, Is Daz dumping the zip file downloads? 

@Lost_Utopian, Nothing so devious. From the official thread:

So, it's out! For those looking for the add-on in their product library after purchase, there were some problems creating the installer for this one so this one needs to be installed using the Daz Install Manager (DIM). Just start DIM and it should show you the add-on and it should be one click from there. Sorry for the inconvenience!

 

Thank you for the response and info L'Adair. I had not seen that posting from the vender. 

 

So will I be offered a zip file for the Mesh Grabber, Rotations Add-On. I am not being offered one now. Yes, the product page only shows the installs being DIM and DazCentral and not just one of them which is what you are implying above. Is it correct for an item to show DIM and DazCentral but not the Manual Install?

Daz does not usually offer a plain manual option for software and plug-ins (MeshGrabber and its add-on are plug-ins) - if there's a stand-alone installer that will be offered in addition to DIM/Daz Central, but in this case it appears there isn't.

On the download page for Mesh Grabber IS listed the words Manual Downlaod, The link says Download Zip even though it will give you an EXE file for this particular item. This is how all of the software and plugins that I have from Daz were downloaded. So it seems that Daz usually does offer their software and plugins in this way. But you know that, you been around here as long as I have. So I'll ask you straight out,, Is Daz dumping the zip file downloads? 

@Lost_Utopian, Nothing so devious. From the official thread:

So, it's out! For those looking for the add-on in their product library after purchase, there were some problems creating the installer for this one so this one needs to be installed using the Daz Install Manager (DIM). Just start DIM and it should show you the add-on and it should be one click from there. Sorry for the inconvenience!

Edited to get rid of some draft of previous post I made.

The people that need to be aware of this are aware of this, extra tickets to customer support won't change anything.

 

As far as I am aware, there are plans to bring back the information that used to be there, but these changes will take time.

Thanks. Good news. Do you know if they will populate the DIM Install column for all the items being sold as DIM Install but only available to install via connect?

There shouldn't be anything in the store that is Daz Connect only and if you mean DazCentral only there shouldn't be anything like that either. If the product page says that it is DazCentral only, that is a bug in the current store software.

So will I be offered a zip file for the Mesh Grabber, Rotations Add-On. I am not being offered one now. Yes, the product page only shows the installs being DIM and DazCentral and not just one of them which is what you are implying above. Is it correct for an item to show DIM and DazCentral but not the Manual Install?

 

Daz does not usually offer a plain manual option for software and plug-ins (MeshGrabber and its add-on are plug-ins) - if there's a stand-alone installer that will be offered in addition to DIM/Daz Central, but in this case it appears there isn't.

Edited to get rid of some draft of previous post I made.

The people that need to be aware of this are aware of this, extra tickets to customer support won't change anything.

 

As far as I am aware, there are plans to bring back the information that used to be there, but these changes will take time.

Thanks. Good news. Do you know if they will populate the DIM Install column for all the items being sold as DIM Install but only available to install via connect?

There shouldn't be anything in the store that is Daz Connect only and if you mean DazCentral only there shouldn't be anything like that either. If the product page says that it is DazCentral only, that is a bug in the current store software.

So will I be offered a zip file for the Mesh Grabber, Rotations Add-On. I am not being offered one now. Yes, the product page only shows the installs being DIM and DazCentral and not just one of them which is what you are implying above. Is it correct for an item to show DIM and DazCentral but not the Manual Install?

 

Daz does not usually offer a plain manual option for software and plug-ins (MeshGrabber and its add-on are plug-ins) - if there's a stand-alone installer that will be offered in addition to DIM/Daz Central, but in this case it appears there isn't.

On the download page for Mesh Grabber IS listed the words Manual Downlaod, The link says Download Zip even though it will give you an EXE file for this particular item. This is how all of the software and plugins that I have from Daz were downloaded. So it seems that Daz usually does offer their software and plugins in this way. But you know that, you been around here as long as I have. So I'll ask you straight out,, Is Daz dumping the zip file downloads? 

The people that need to be aware of this are aware of this, extra tickets to customer support won't change anything.

 

As far as I am aware, there are plans to bring back the information that used to be there, but these changes will take time.

Therein lies the problem. Reassuring as your post may be, @DAZ_Rawb, it's not definitive. Daz could still decide to leave things as they are today, because they are not providing official word, not making a firm commitment to the customers, that information we want/need will be incorporated back into the Product Library pages.

Regardless, I really appreciate you taking the time to come in and reassure everybody. However, your post has quickly gotten pushed back as people comment on the topic, replying to earlier posts, before reading to the end of the thread. (As most of us do.) It won't take long for your post to be buried several pages back, with more disgruntled comments on what appears to be Daz taking away valuable information.

A better solution would be for Daz to communicate with their customers. Let's assume this change is temporary, part of the effort to switchover to new software for the store, and that once the new software is fully integrated into the site, the Product Library pages will revert back to having full information, (prehaps even additional functionality.) The people affected by this change are going to be those who use the Product Libray, so why not include a sentence at the top of the boilerplate that reassures customers the current lack of information is only temporary? For example:

This page format is currently "under construction." We promise to bring back the information that makes these pages so helpful to you, our customers, as soon as possible, along with some added functionality people have been asking for. Please bear with us as we work on these changes.

There is a time to keep plans under wraps, and a time to be transparent. Because Daz is not being transparent about the changes to the Product Library, customers are understandably both wary and upset.

What gets me is that Daz never comes out and apologizes for inconveniencing customers, either for messing up people's libraries with Daz Central, or now with this.  A little humility would go a long way.

DAZ cannot apologize. Daz is not a person it canot think it cannot feel. Can Daz even be said to exist?

(but seriously I don't understand emotional investment in companies. what functional difference does daz being "humble" have for me? does it make products cost less?)

The people that need to be aware of this are aware of this, extra tickets to customer support won't change anything.

 

As far as I am aware, there are plans to bring back the information that used to be there, but these changes will take time.

Therein lies the problem. Reassuring as your post may be, @DAZ_Rawb, it's not definitive. Daz could still decide to leave things as they are today, because they are not providing official word, not making a firm commitment to the customers, that information we want/need will be incorporated back into the Product Library pages.

Regardless, I really appreciate you taking the time to come in and reassure everybody. However, your post has quickly gotten pushed back as people comment on the topic, replying to earlier posts, before reading to the end of the thread. (As most of us do.) It won't take long for your post to be buried several pages back, with more disgruntled comments on what appears to be Daz taking away valuable information.

A better solution would be for Daz to communicate with their customers. Let's assume this change is temporary, part of the effort to switchover to new software for the store, and that once the new software is fully integrated into the site, the Product Library pages will revert back to having full information, (prehaps even additional functionality.) The people affected by this change are going to be those who use the Product Libray, so why not include a sentence at the top of the boilerplate that reassures customers the current lack of information is only temporary? For example:

This page format is currently "under construction." We promise to bring back the information that makes these pages so helpful to you, our customers, as soon as possible, along with some added functionality people have been asking for. Please bear with us as we work on these changes.

There is a time to keep plans under wraps, and a time to be transparent. Because Daz is not being transparent about the changes to the Product Library, customers are understandably both wary and upset.

What gets me is that Daz never comes out and apologizes for inconveniencing customers, either for messing up people's libraries with Daz Central, or now with this.  A little humility would go a long way.

When you're a big fish in a very tiny pond, you don't have to be humble.

Obi-Wan "There's always a bigger fish"

The people that need to be aware of this are aware of this, extra tickets to customer support won't change anything.

 

As far as I am aware, there are plans to bring back the information that used to be there, but these changes will take time.

Therein lies the problem. Reassuring as your post may be, @DAZ_Rawb, it's not definitive. Daz could still decide to leave things as they are today, because they are not providing official word, not making a firm commitment to the customers, that information we want/need will be incorporated back into the Product Library pages.

Regardless, I really appreciate you taking the time to come in and reassure everybody. However, your post has quickly gotten pushed back as people comment on the topic, replying to earlier posts, before reading to the end of the thread. (As most of us do.) It won't take long for your post to be buried several pages back, with more disgruntled comments on what appears to be Daz taking away valuable information.

A better solution would be for Daz to communicate with their customers. Let's assume this change is temporary, part of the effort to switchover to new software for the store, and that once the new software is fully integrated into the site, the Product Library pages will revert back to having full information, (prehaps even additional functionality.) The people affected by this change are going to be those who use the Product Libray, so why not include a sentence at the top of the boilerplate that reassures customers the current lack of information is only temporary? For example:

This page format is currently "under construction." We promise to bring back the information that makes these pages so helpful to you, our customers, as soon as possible, along with some added functionality people have been asking for. Please bear with us as we work on these changes.

There is a time to keep plans under wraps, and a time to be transparent. Because Daz is not being transparent about the changes to the Product Library, customers are understandably both wary and upset.

What gets me is that Daz never comes out and apologizes for inconveniencing customers, either for messing up people's libraries with Daz Central, or now with this.  A little humility would go a long way.

When you're a big fish in a very tiny pond, you don't have to be humble.

The people that need to be aware of this are aware of this, extra tickets to customer support won't change anything.

 

As far as I am aware, there are plans to bring back the information that used to be there, but these changes will take time.

Therein lies the problem. Reassuring as your post may be, @DAZ_Rawb, it's not definitive. Daz could still decide to leave things as they are today, because they are not providing official word, not making a firm commitment to the customers, that information we want/need will be incorporated back into the Product Library pages.

Regardless, I really appreciate you taking the time to come in and reassure everybody. However, your post has quickly gotten pushed back as people comment on the topic, replying to earlier posts, before reading to the end of the thread. (As most of us do.) It won't take long for your post to be buried several pages back, with more disgruntled comments on what appears to be Daz taking away valuable information.

A better solution would be for Daz to communicate with their customers. Let's assume this change is temporary, part of the effort to switchover to new software for the store, and that once the new software is fully integrated into the site, the Product Library pages will revert back to having full information, (prehaps even additional functionality.) The people affected by this change are going to be those who use the Product Libray, so why not include a sentence at the top of the boilerplate that reassures customers the current lack of information is only temporary? For example:

This page format is currently "under construction." We promise to bring back the information that makes these pages so helpful to you, our customers, as soon as possible, along with some added functionality people have been asking for. Please bear with us as we work on these changes.

There is a time to keep plans under wraps, and a time to be transparent. Because Daz is not being transparent about the changes to the Product Library, customers are understandably both wary and upset.

What gets me is that Daz never comes out and apologizes for inconveniencing customers, either for messing up people's libraries with Daz Central, or now with this.  A little humility would go a long way.

Daz does not usually offer a plain manual option for software and plug-ins (MeshGrabber and its add-on are plug-ins) - if there's a stand-alone installer that will be offered in addition to DIM/Daz Central, but in this case it appears there isn't.

I downloaded the MG (exe files still available) but not the Rotaions add-on as it is as you said it has never been available for Rotations Add-on

Edited to get rid of some draft of previous post I made.

The people that need to be aware of this are aware of this, extra tickets to customer support won't change anything.

 

As far as I am aware, there are plans to bring back the information that used to be there, but these changes will take time.

Thanks. Good news. Do you know if they will populate the DIM Install column for all the items being sold as DIM Install but only available to install via connect?

There shouldn't be anything in the store that is Daz Connect only and if you mean DazCentral only there shouldn't be anything like that either. If the product page says that it is DazCentral only, that is a bug in the current store software.

So will I be offered a zip file for the Mesh Grabber, Rotations Add-On. I am not being offered one now. Yes, the product page only shows the installs being DIM and DazCentral and not just one of them which is what you are implying above. Is it correct for an item to show DIM and DazCentral but not the Manual Install?

 

Daz does not usually offer a plain manual option for software and plug-ins (MeshGrabber and its add-on are plug-ins) - if there's a stand-alone installer that will be offered in addition to DIM/Daz Central, but in this case it appears there isn't.

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Vue files are also under DAZ studio and smalll print Vue underneath.

And some files, like V3, you can only download and unzip to find out what it is, no extra information.

 

Older generic installers now appear to be DAZ Studio only. It's all rather confusing, prefer the old way.  We all cried out for reliable store software, with less hickups during sales, not for a new fuzzy layout.

An official post iirc stated that Daz Central was for new users who had trouble with DIM; pretty much the same excuse as the DRM abomination of 4.9 (sorry I mean Encrypted Daz Connect). Please note my disclaimer below.

I'm also downloading all of my purchases here for later use with backed up DIM in case Daz decides to force Central on us once and for all. It's a slow and tedious process doing it manually even with a modest (58 page) library, and Daz is sending everything incredibly slowly. 

I hear ya. My external hard drive broke (my fault, knocked it off the table) and I have been downloading all my products from the very beginning, doing it since the beginning of last month.   I have the same concerns about the future of DIM (And obviously, going to do Cloud storage too.)  It's apparent they are shoving DazCentral down our throats.

So I'm sending my ticket to Tech Support.  For the "Tech Ticket Tracker" I chose "Locate Product."  Edit- According to Richard's post, below. If you have to do the Captcha thing, you aren't signed in. (Go to top right and Sign In.) 

And here's an easy copy/paste or to-get-you-started that you can use or modify. Please, everyone send a ticket!!

I filed a ticket under Technical Support and, FWIW, I specified "Website Issue" for the Tech Ticket Tracker.

I download all my purchases—regardless of where I purchase from—to this computer on an external drive. I also store those files on an internal drive of my render machine. The idea of depending on a company's website to store items I've paid for has never seemed like a good idea to me. (Yeah, that includes cloud storage.)

Another fellow paranoic; there seem to be a couple in this thread.

Just submitted my complaint. If DAZ doesn't change that information back, my current store credits will be the last money I spent on DAZ content. That's not a threat, that's a statement.'

I have $300 in credit, and it's been as high as $1000; I've passed on two good (one espicially so) discounts the last week or so; when you consider that the exchange rate is the best it's been for two years, this should worry Daz at least a little. I'm 'sure' I'm not alone. I have no idea if they could offer enough discount at the moment to encourage me to buy more credit. I suppose 80 and 90% off might tempt me but I'm safe as that wont happen: lower - no not buying the coolaid; I don't like the current flavour.

Even without destroying the library info pages, we're already getting spammed with dazCentral text all over the site. You would think they're afraid we haven't noticed it. They have to know a whole lot of us did notice, and we actively don't want it.

With as fast as marketing and web people tend to turn over, it's entirely possible that there's no one there who remembers the disaster that was the DAZ Connect rollout and therefore can't understand why anyone wouldn't want it.  But yeah, putting an ad on every single product library page does reek of overkill.

 

It wasn't so much Daz Connect that was the debarcle, although I didn't like the store's integration into Studio, but the Encrypted Daz Connect (which hasn't gone away, but merely not yet used).

Well, Renderosity will profit from DAZ´ stupid decision. If I can't find information about things, I will not buy said things. It's as simple as that.

It already has. I spent $20 on Monday; I have store credit here but felt happier spending there.

That ticket I submitted a few days ago is still open.  Still waiting on those 'Feed the Bundle Ice Cream/Dinner' bundle items.

I sent my ticket to Sales Support of course, and the ticket also mentions my issue with the Product Library changes as I detailed before.

So not even a canned response on my end yet, let alone a resolution of my issue.  This does not instill confidence, just sayin...

 

I am hoping that Daz management is at least having a discussion about the wave of 'I'm not happy with the changes' tickets.  An official response would be nice, that is more than just the 'we've passed your concerns along'. response.  I'd like to know that Daz3D takes the concerns of it's customers seriously, and is interested in keeping their customer base happy, and isn't just taking us for granted.

 

The next step, as mentioned by others, if Daz3D is determined to continue down this path is to buy less here, which will impact the bottom line, but I am hoping that is will not come to that.  I'm not sure how many people would actually participate in that move, product boycotts in general don't seem to have a lot of impact.  I still have a fair bit of store credit banked, in anticipation of the PC+ anniversary, but once that store credit runs out, that's when I'll have to put up or shut up show to speak. 

I do hope that the PA's are screaming bloody murder behind the scenes right now.  We like buying stuff from you talented PA's, and a lot of us don't take the 'curtail our purchases in the future' statements lightly when we make them.

The other issues that people have reported in the last week are concerning as well.  I'm not using DIM to connect these days, I'm doing manual downloads, and the 'Littlefox + Arki + other stuff' order I placed yesterday seems to have manual download links at least, for the couple of Star! products I did download to test with G3F.  I'll probably download the rest of that order today or tomorrow, when I hit a suitable lull in my current art project.

So yeah, hopeful that this isn't falling on deaf ears and that the Daz management team will discuss this seriously at the office or via facetime or whatever this week, but we'll see.

They pay more attention to a drop in sales. A truly effective method is wallet-communication.

A prime example of why we NEED the old Product Library Layout:

Today there is a new product Predatron Ornamental Trees and Bushes. However, there also was at one time PredPack - Ornamental Trees which I own but has now been discountinued. With no description in the Product Library and no Product page to go to I have NO way of comparing the products to to determine if I want the new one.

I don't suppose they would have an issue with you re-purchasing it. All we can do in this instance is speculate, and it's human nature for there to be both a lack of trust (or at least doubt) and a certain amount of suspicion.

Do you mean Daz Central? Connect is installing through Daz Studio itself. If you clicked Download and install they should be installed, so wouldn't show in the Install pane, Lost and Found is a specific category in categorised content views so if everything in the product was categorised nothing wold be listed there.b

                   No not DAZ central- (Thats new) DAZ connect never installs the products- It just displays them in the install tab where you
                   highlight them and click install - but now they dont even show up in the the install section..