SilverGirl said:

Hylas said:

SilverGirl said:

admission: I kinda want to see somebody do cave ogre with some of the classical dance poses, but I don't have the utility to cross M/F poses to do it myself.

poses are compatible across genders, so knock yourself out!

 

Oh, are they? Cool! I thought the reason it always said G3F or G3M (or G8, or...) was that it wouldn't work on the other one, and that was one of the benefits of G9 was that they would! Serves me right for never trying anyway. Thanks for the tip!

I do this all the time. I have seen advice that the poses might need tweaking to use on the other gender, but I haven't needed to. Now, if the figure is a very extreme morph, it might become a factor, regardless of gender.

And using the dance poses with Ogre is great idea.

Leana said:

There are quite a few options for poses:

Free ones:

• https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/605941/genesis-1-2-3-8-9-to-genesis-3-8-9-pose-converter-updated-2023-04-28/p1
• https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/93219/g8fm-pose-transfer-to-g9

Commercial ones:

• https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-and-8-to-9-pose-converter
• https://www.daz3d.com/pose-companion-for-genesis-9
• https://www.daz3d.com/bone-minion-for-genesis-8-and-81-poses-for-genesis-9

 

Thank you! I feel so foolish, I already own Zevo's pose converter. Must have bought it a while back and forgot. 

The G8F/M->G9 pose transfer I did at Rendo (second freebie in Leana's list) is also available on this forum (here) and will eventually be paired with a G9-G8FM convertor. However, I'm having so much difficulty enjoying G9 that I've started a couple of times and stopped after getting not very much further. It will happen, unfortunately, looking at how busy I am this year with real life, it'll be a struggle to complete this side of 2025. Must admit I don't feel a convertor is complete until you can go back to the origin character to check the conversion.

Regards,

Richard

Jay Versluis has a video on the subject and his advice is to convert Genesis to Genesis 2 and then to convert between Genesis 2/3 and 9 (he explains the later in the video, but the former is done with the same method):

It's part of a playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPcx_LSSGfZd2uZkPrhfMmq5c5vDOTQ3k

The method shown by Jay Versluis is, as far as I understand it, only for full body.

To only get a head morph, there is a tool (I never used it):

https://github.com/Mike3D/Character-Splitter-for-DAZ-Studio

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/617476/character-splitter/p1

Taoz said:

Here is, for a change, one that isn't focused on making the teeth look worse, but mostly on different versions of looking good:

The Look Teeth Morph Resource for Genesis 9 - https://www.daz3d.com/the-look-teeth-morph-resource-for-genesis-9

Oh that looks handy. Thank you.

Here is, for a change, one that isn't focused on making the teeth look worse, but mostly on different versions of looking good:

The Look Teeth Morph Resource for Genesis 9 - https://www.daz3d.com/the-look-teeth-morph-resource-for-genesis-9

There are quite a few options for poses:

Free ones:

• https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/605941/genesis-1-2-3-8-9-to-genesis-3-8-9-pose-converter-updated-2023-04-28/p1
• https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/93219/g8fm-pose-transfer-to-g9

Commercial ones:

• https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-and-8-to-9-pose-converter
• https://www.daz3d.com/pose-companion-for-genesis-9
• https://www.daz3d.com/bone-minion-for-genesis-8-and-81-poses-for-genesis-9

paulawp (marahzen) said:

daveso said:

paulawp (marahzen) said:

Comparison: OK, I admit, it's completely cheesy - it was just a product test scene to confirm basic functionality of the new Bone Minion for horses as well as the new Australia 2.

It took 4 minutes, 24 seconds to finish in my 4.22.1.88 beta (yeah, it's old now - I only installed it to test Face Transfer 2). The same file takes 32 minutes, 5 seconds to finish in my release 4.22.0.16. 

wow. Hard to believe there can be that much difference. Thats why, with my 4080, the renders should be very fast. Portraits aren't too bad. US2 extremely slow.  

Yep. Also, in retrospect, I see that a reasonable person could point to the VDB fog as a possible complication in this example. I tested this problem extensively when I first ran into it (not long after upgrading) and found that all it took was having a USC object, with nothing else, to observe significant difference in render time when comparing to release 4.22.0 and beta 4.22.1 (no longer had a 4.21 instance to test in at that point, of course). Some simpler scenes were less painful, but still much slower. It was when there were lots of tree instances that the real bog down seems to occur.

With that in mind, I retested this scene.  In release 4.22.0, with the USC object turned off - rendering only the horse, rider and the fog - it takes 38 seconds to finish (to a 95% convergence). Rendering only the USC object - minus the horse, rider and fog - took ... longer! At 32 minutes, 5 seconds, it was only to 86%. I stopped it after 36 minutes, when it was up to 90%.

In beta 4.22.1, the horse, rider and fog portion of this scene took 39 seconds to finish (also to 95%). The Ultrascenery object alone took 4 minutes, 24 seconds - exactly the same as with the rest of the scene.

Thanks for all the testing, I was slowly going insane here with the performance of USC2, though once established it seems to work much faster but trying to get that grassland growing on a larger set I watited with nothing happend until I gave up. did anybody try an NIVDIA update in this context?

crashworship said:

I'm done with strand based hair and will no longer buy strand based hair products. These are now an automatic pass for me in the content store. These hair items rarely work, simulations can take hours, very often crash Studio, the results are less than appealing and, quite frankly, strand based hair doesn't look as good as mesh hair. I have multiple strand based hair props in my library that I almost never use because of these issues. The strand based hair props I do use I use only because they'll work without a simulation and even then, they're a substantial drag on my CPU and GPUs. They're not worth it. I'm just one user and of course, others may find these appealing, but for me, I feel like I've wasted my money.

I understand that many developers put a lot of effort in their products. I appreciate that. This is not a failure of the developers who create these products but rather the intrinsic fault of strand based hair. It's usually far too demanding of CPU and GPU resources and the results aren't worth all that extra time, all the difficulties in posing and rendering and yada, add nausea. And, mesh hair looks better, is easier to use and renders better.

I'm probably gonna get shouted down because of this post and it will probably get frozen and closed but I feel it needed to be said.

 Thanks for making this thread, I have been meaning to say the same but not got around to it. I have bought a few strandbased hairs and as you say, the simulation take so long, so I don't consider them as dforce. If it takes hours = for me not a working dforce hair. And I agree, they don't look as good as mesh hair, the strands is too thick and coarse. Have bought a few, some that I use sometimes, due to that, despite of the thick hairstrands - it's the righ style. A very few. Most of those I have bought I never use. I see a strandbased hair and I go NOPE. Not the creators fault, the tech is not there I guess, to make it look as smooth and thin hair strands as mesh hair. Sad to see one of my fav hair creators go all in for starandbased hairs. So for me - want a sale - go w mesh transmapped smooth looking thin single hairstrands hair. W a morph of raising the hairline, and w a morph to make the thin hair thinner, and rigged w custom bones that we can select and pose. The hair line morph I can make myself w dformer if forced, and I can live without the thin hair morph if the thin hair looks thin enough, what I am NOT fond of at all - no custom bones hairs, even if it's a mesh hair.

felis said:

I made it.

It is modelled to fit G8F, but I have saved it as a prop, as I assumed if it was conforming it would deform based on the character. It is saved with 4 bones, so you can adjust it with the bones.

If you want it conforming you can load it and run transfer utility.

In the file it is as a rigged prop and as a wearable preset for G8F.

It is fairly low poly, so there is defult a subD. The textures is simple, but you can apply own shaders.

Let me know if issues.

I'll give this a try, thank you.

Gordig said:

I don't know for sure that this works, but have you tried putting the morph name in quotation marks?

Just tried. Unfortunately nothing is exported if I enclose the morph name in quotation marks. 

I don't know for sure that this works, but have you tried putting the morph name in quotation marks?

I could also title this "Can we get a list of the simplified regex that the FBX exporter uses". 

I want to export a specific morph. For example:

PBMThisMorph

But when I do, it exports "PBMThisMorph" as well as "PBMThisMorphLeft" "PBMThisMorphRight" etc. 

I've tried:
 

PBMThisMorph$

PBMThisMorph/b

PBMThisMorph.

Is there not a character that the exporter recognizes that limits the morph name to an exact match, rather than treating it as a prefix with a wildcard?

daveso said:

paulawp (marahzen) said:

Comparison: OK, I admit, it's completely cheesy - it was just a product test scene to confirm basic functionality of the new Bone Minion for horses as well as the new Australia 2.

It took 4 minutes, 24 seconds to finish in my 4.22.1.88 beta (yeah, it's old now - I only installed it to test Face Transfer 2). The same file takes 32 minutes, 5 seconds to finish in my release 4.22.0.16. 

wow. Hard to believe there can be that much difference. Thats why, with my 4080, the renders should be very fast. Portraits aren't too bad. US2 extremely slow.  

Yep. Also, in retrospect, I see that a reasonable person could point to the VDB fog as a possible complication in this example. I tested this problem extensively when I first ran into it (not long after upgrading) and found that all it took was having a USC object, with nothing else, to observe significant difference in render time when comparing to release 4.22.0 and beta 4.22.1 (no longer had a 4.21 instance to test in at that point, of course). Some simpler scenes were less painful, but still much slower. It was when there were lots of tree instances that the real bog down seems to occur.

With that in mind, I retested this scene.  In release 4.22.0, with the USC object turned off - rendering only the horse, rider and the fog - it takes 38 seconds to finish (to a 95% convergence). Rendering only the USC object - minus the horse, rider and fog - took ... longer! At 32 minutes, 5 seconds, it was only to 86%. I stopped it after 36 minutes, when it was up to 90%.

In beta 4.22.1, the horse, rider and fog portion of this scene took 39 seconds to finish (also to 95%). The Ultrascenery object alone took 4 minutes, 24 seconds - exactly the same as with the rest of the scene.

paulawp (marahzen) said:

Comparison: OK, I admit, it's completely cheesy - it was just a product test scene to confirm basic functionality of the new Bone Minion for horses as well as the new Australia 2.

It took 4 minutes, 24 seconds to finish in my 4.22.1.88 beta (yeah, it's old now - I only installed it to test Face Transfer 2). The same file takes 32 minutes, 5 seconds to finish in my release 4.22.0.16. 

wow. Hard to believe there can be that much difference. Thats why, with my 4080, the renders should be very fast. Portraits aren't too bad. US2 extremely slow.  

Hi. I'm a weird user, a visual novel developer, who bought almost all content from genesis 1, and refused to move to gen 2, 3, and 8 because I refused to pay double of everything (morphs, poses, resources, etc..) as there were 2 separate figures for male and female. However, I accessed all gen2, 3, and 8 content with clones. I finally upgraded after DAZ went back to "right path" with gen 9, and I've been delighted with it, and spent a lot of $$ on it. However, I have 2 main characters from genesis 1, some unique that I made mixing all the available morphs, that would be very hard to recreate in gen 9. Is there a way to transfer the head shape of that gen 1 char to gen 9?

Thanks.

Comparison: OK, I admit, it's completely cheesy - it was just a product test scene to confirm basic functionality of the new Bone Minion for horses as well as the new Australia 2.

It took 4 minutes, 24 seconds to finish in my 4.22.1.88 beta (yeah, it's old now - I only installed it to test Face Transfer 2). The same file takes 32 minutes, 5 seconds to finish in my release 4.22.0.16. 

Yeah... I did have a sneaking suspicion about that - I think I ran into this ages ago, but forgot. Your "most of the time" is probably relevant here - things that work sometimes are a real pain in the ar..mpit !

But what's odd is that for my freshly imported CR2 it's the base figure morphs** that don't work here, while the alternate geometries and their morphs all work fine - at least that's what it looks like when I do a quick test*. Maybe I should do a more thorough test, but I'm not sure that my will to live would survive that

What puzzles me most is that Studio seems* to be able to handle things almost** properly when it's a CR2 freshly loaded into runtime memory (or whatever you choose to call it), which means that Studio can handle it. It appears* that Studio just doesn't know how to save it.

*But keeping in mind your "most of the time", and noting that just because it seems okay doesn't mean it is okay.

**I wasn't actually surprised by the morphs for the base geometry not working. I have a vagure recollection that the last time I loaded a Poser prop/figure with morphs (not using PMD - I don't use that) I had to reload all the morphs in Studio because it didn't read the morph target data from the PP2/CR2, so I was expecting to maybe have to do that here.

P.S.On another tack entirely - something went haywire when I tried to upload a new zip file (with the missing objs) a few posts back and delete the old one. After doing that it appears (to me - not sure about anybody else*) that several of the images from other posts have vanished and the old, incorrect PP2014 test CR2s.zip is still hanging in there. 

*Does anybody else see missing images on this thread ?

vangelrise said:

Domanda al volo.

Ma esiste un modo per girare sottosopra i capelli? Intendo dire: se un personaggio sta a testa in giù, c'è modo di fargli cascare i capelli verso il basso?

Finora non ho mai visto, tra le opzioni di personalizzazione dei capelli, questa possibilità.

Con quelli che usano dForce non ci dovrebbero essere problemi, posto che uno becchi i settaggi giusti per la simulazione. Per gli altri dipende se chi li ha fatti ha previsto un morph per tale situazione. Ai tempi Victoria 4 mi sembra di ricordare che ci fosse qualcosa, non so per figure più recenti.

If you own Dystopian Outfit, it's very easy to Auto-fit it to G8F but some fixing work may be needed.

I roughly made one Sash ?, Left and Right versions ~ See if they're what you want.  I've not made any morph on them, just rigged and shaded ~~