I'm not afraid of Victoria 9 | Daz 3D

frank0314 said:

ThatOmin said:

Kerya said:

ThatOmin said:

Sounds like a good model, if it's basically an actual Genesis model. But uhh...no idea why there would be a pre-order for this. It's a digital product.

 

Why not? There are ebooks that have a preorder price ...

Because when the product is completed, there is no real extra manual labor that goes into it other than putting the files behind a pay wall. There is no major convenience to the customer nor inconvenience to the distributor. You're pretty much getting the exact same thing I will get on launch day. This is why most "pre-orders" come with incentives aka you get extra things, or you get the files earlier than everyone else etc but...generic hair and generic bikini...that you more than likely won't use. That is the only way pre-orders benefit the customer in anyway.

Hmm, I've never purchased a pre-order and got any "incentive" or anything extra and I get them all the time off Amazon. Oh, I take that back, I once got an digital copy of the movie I preordered once it released along with the DVD.

Preorder perks are extremely common with video games. You usually get something like a small DLC with maybe a different outfit or a weapon to use in the early game. The Daz preorder perks are a mixed bag for me. I love that hair but a bikini? Really? Don't get me wrong, it is a nice looking bikini but not worth preordering sight unseen for me. At least if I preorder a game I have an idea what I'm getting. With Victoria 9, at least the HD pro bundle I have almost no idea what it has other than Victoria 9 herself. As someone who doesn't make much use of skimpwear and such the bundle may not be worth it to me if it's like 1 hair, a character or two and a few outfits that are basically pieces of string with some fabric hanging off of them.

MimicMolly said:

I doubt they will, but I'd love to see a G9 bundle like this G1 bundle: https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-michael-victoria-combo-bundle

That would be great!

I was just working with Mal3Imagery's Two-Piece Business Suit, and I felt so grateful that he persevered until he got this versatile, much-needed essential to us. Then I thought about the complementary Gentleman Suit that was released shortly thereafter by debut vendor Jason Fang, and I could see that the Genesis 8 line---along with being able to autofit & Fit Control (Thanks Zev0 for making our lives better!) Generation 3 (Thanks Shay), 4, Genesis 1-3 items---is almost comprehensive in its scope.

All of the character types that are available, the smorgasbord of Core Figures from both versions, and the abundant variety of morph packs bring Genesis 8 far beyond the hopes I had for it 5 years ago when we were making threads about what we needed. Just about everything I needed to make stories visible is available for Genesis 8.

And I wanted to say congratulations for a job well done, and THANK YOU ALL for your dedication and hard work! Thanks.

nakamuram002 said:

zombietaggerung said:

She looks more like Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn to me.

Who looks more like Aloy?  Ms Cowan, V9, or both? 

Victoria 9.

Paintbox said:

So just for fun I did a little prompt "DAZ3D on holiday, Victoria 8.1 and Michael 8.1" , plus some prompts to get a style in :)

 

I think it says an awful lot about how DAZ products are used in the wild that the AI's default assumption for Victoria seems to be naked with high heels, while the assumption for Michael is fully clothed.  

Compare Abigail Cowan (Netflix "Fate: The Winx Saga") to v9 and consider that Season 2 of the show started the week before V9 was announced.  Planned or pure coincidence?

https://fatethewinxsaga.fandom.com/wiki/Abigail_Cowen

vs.

https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-9-pre-sale-bundle

Leana said:

nonesuch00 said:

For the giant $50 extra on the Victoria 9 Pro Bundle I would totally expect the typical introductory Genesis 9 Female Head Morphs, Genesis 9 Female Body Morphs, and Genesis 9 Female Expressions to be included in that Victoria 9 HD Pro Bundle. 

The base morph packs have not been part of the Victoria and Michael bundles since Genesis 1, so I highly doubt it.

Their perogative as they have the sales data. I'm not paying $50 extra unless the others items are extremely excellent and not so typical. So then I buy the base figure and wait for a bundle that has items I like if it's not to my liking.

nonesuch00 said:

For the giant $50 extra on the Victoria 9 Pro Bundle I would totally expect the typical introductory Genesis 9 Female Head Morphs, Genesis 9 Female Body Morphs, and Genesis 9 Female Expressions to be included in that Victoria 9 HD Pro Bundle. 

The base morph packs have not been part of the Victoria and Michael bundles since Genesis 1, so I highly doubt it.

Be sure to check your messages. Today I got an orange banner offer but I almost missed it because it was underneath the older "Meet Victoria 9 HD" orange banner.

I think Victoria 9 textures could be used for a male character like Cal Kestis

PerttiA said:

pofotigec said:

Personally Im sticking with my G8 content. I've put a lot of $$ into my products and so far, this G9/V9 doesn't really seem very appealing to me. Im very picky when it comes to my products to begin with. And the amount of time and money invested in G8 is also another thing for me. Covid and all this Russia / Ukraine war affected us hard. I don't have money to simply throw around like I used to.

 

Plus from what I've seen, the improvements etc don't seem that appealing to me so far. It's gonna take a lot of products that are of genuine interest to me, to cause me to want to actually move over to this. So for me, Im gonna simply smile and wave and enjoy G8 until there is content and so on that gives me real reason to move over. ^^

There is no hurry... When the DS 4.21 and G9 Starter essentials are released, one gets the base character for free, usually with some clothing to keep them modest and a hair too.

Oh no doubt about this ^^ But as I mentioned, am quite specific with my products/characters in regards to what I find to be of interest. Like I'll be very frank. The content currently shown, is of no interest to me as a base. I don't like the look of Victoria personally. She's beautifully done. But not suited to my wants and needs.

But take for example on renderosity, the dragon queen character <3 I love her look, it works so well. It's well worth it for me and my wants and needs. And yes you're very right. Definitely no hurry to buy. In any case, I am glad that they're still creating content and working to improve etc. Otherwise we'd remain limited on what we can achieve. In particular for many I think, due to base model density/complexity based on what I've been reading on the forums. And I can fully understand having encountered some issues myself when wanting to make morphs etc.

The only thing I am dreading at this point though is the 8K textures. I am on a 1080 TI Overclocked, but even with 4K and 2K textures (and 16GB of ram along with the i7 8700K overclocked to 4.7Ghz) am quite limited at times. Sometimes just a scene with a single character and a dress can cause me to crash if I for example have a ton of grass in the scene or whatever when trying to do an iray preview in viewport... So already I feel the limitations there. I do however look forward to seeing what content creators are going to come out with over time. It's wonderful to advance in the pursuit of realism and freedom to create <3

mogaremolby said:

Artini said:

nonesuch00 said:

I'm looking forward to this Victoria 9 & company. The expressions are so extremely improved and the way fat looks too.

Yes, I am looking forward to Victoria 9 and Genesis 9 items, too.

I like expressions a lot, especially animated.

It is a pity, that Daz is not willing to reveal a details of the V9 bundle.

I also wonder, how and if Victoria 9 will transfer to Unity using Daz to Unity bridge.

Anyhow, great work on this new generation of the figures - well done.

 

You mean unreal engine? Daz3d figures since G2 have always work will with unity even without A bridge. True you had to put some work in to fix it. But their were tiny problem. And usually take a minute or two to fix baby less. but unreal engine was a complete nightmare to bring a Genesis figure into unreal. Even with the Unreal bridge it still a pain.

Yes, I hope that it will happen, because I use mostly Unity besides Daz Studio.

I have seen a similar quality and animated smiling character in Unity store, that costs over $200.

With Genesis 9 in Unity, I hope to have a similar quality characters to work with.

So just for fun I did a little prompt "DAZ3D on holiday, Victoria 8.1 and Michael 8.1" , plus some prompts to get a style in :)

catmaster said:

Oversimplifying = Uglification. There are already unisex mannequins and lots of free base models available online, without detailed customization support and the differences between opposite sexes, those models would not be attractive and have no advantages over other competitors. Evolution of species has favoured opposite sexes over unisex, that's something worth learning from the nature mechanisms.

This is a fundamentally invalid argument on multiple levels. 3D models are not subject to the laws of nature, and those mechanisms are only useful when they apply. You can use a single slider to make default G8F look indistinguishable from default G8M, same with previous generations; the original Genesis was unisex, and do you think that Victoria 5 doesn't look like a woman and Michael 5 like a man? 

A base figure is exactly that: a BASE upon which to build morphs, and G9 was made to facilitate morph creation. G9 DOES have detailed customization support. If default G9 isn't attractive to you, there's nothing stopping you from making it look exactly the way you want it to, and in fact it would be easier to do with G9 than previous generations.

Even making Daz to paid software would be far better than pushing such unexciting G9 for quick money, if Daz really needs more money there are always options to switch to subscriptions for more professional features, as ditching G8 for G9 would be technically moving backwards and become less attractive to MetaHuman or other alternatives, unless G9 comes with more exciting features which I haven't found from the disclosure.

Why do you keep assuming that Daz is only releasing G9 to make money? You have your own reasons for wanting to stay with G8? Go ahead and do that, but you not wanting G9 doesn't invalidate the advances that G9 offers. What are you basing the latter part of that quote on? How is it "moving backwards"? Why would G9 be "less attractive to MetaHuman"?

G8 system still has lots of potential and needs improvements. The current official bridges can't even handle geografts, and consider integrating this feature that'd be much desired for Unreal users: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/590086/showcase-bringing-daz-figures-to-life-in-ue5#latest

Moving from G8 to G9 does not implicate anything about the bridges, and ironically, geografts are one of the big benefits of a unisex mesh because now you'll be able to put any geograft on any figure.

DrunkMonkeyProductions said:

Nope, one directory set at a time.

That's not going to change anytime soon either.

One of the problems with DS is that it can't load morph data after an asset is loaded. This has existed, AFAIK, since it's inception, and can't be fixed without massively breaking the software.

 

For anybody that's going to say the previous generations didn't have this problem and bring up 'powerloader', no, it worked exactly the same, the only difference is that genesis moves that to a 'behind the scenes' operation.

Most previous generation morph packs came in two varieties, those that required the DzCreateExPFiles script to be run, which added the channels to the base figure, or used the PBMCC/PBMDC slots already present in the figure.

If you tried to load an asset without having run the script, it wouldn't work.

The PBMCC/PBMDC, createed all sorts of fun with different assets being assigned to the same channels.

Was always fun to turn Victoria 4 into an escher painting when loading conflicting morph packs.

A script could add a new morph channel and populate it, at least in principle (and so could a plug-in), so it would be potentially possible to read in new morphs. It would not, I think, be a practical way of doing the task and might not be ideal from a peformance view.

Nope, one directory set at a time.

That's not going to change anytime soon either.

One of the problems with DS is that it can't load morph data after an asset is loaded. This has existed, AFAIK, since it's inception, and can't be fixed without massively breaking the software.

For anybody that's going to say the previous generations didn't have this problem and bring up 'powerloader', no, it worked exactly the same, the only difference is that genesis moves that to a 'behind the scenes' operation.

Most previous generation morph packs came in two varieties, those that required the DzCreateExPFiles script to be run, which added the channels to the base figure, or used the PBMCC/PBMDC slots already present in the figure.

If you tried to load an asset without having run the script, it wouldn't work.

The PBMCC/PBMDC, createed all sorts of fun with different assets being assigned to the same channels.

Was always fun to turn Victoria 4 into an escher painting when loading conflicting morph packs.

videoninja719 said:

Can genesis 9/victoria 9 8k maps be rendered using low end cards like rtx 3050 and 3060?

That very question is scary to me. My rig has a GTX 1070 Max Q with i7-8750H CPU, 16GB of ram, running Daz 4.15.0.9. I guess here's no point in trying to load and render Genenis 9 without serious bottlenecks.