arks0ng said:

Rod Wise Driggo said:

Well I did not see many deals really worth it yet. I bought some pairs of new releases but nothing from all the other categories. With DAZ+FAD there was the one or other product coming newly in which I bought but unfortunately there are many vendors who do not participate in this.

Many offers I pass on due to either a high buy-in (i.e. one has to get a bundle to trigger coupon codes or other offers) or a rather limited selection (like with todays fun & game items for up to 77%).

Considering Vic's bundle has just had its contents revealed, I have a feeling this/these are just filler sales until the imminent release of Gen9. Rip our Daz+ sale :/

Are you referring to the links added to the bundle page:

- Victoria 9 Presale
- Summertide Swimwear Outfit
- Soft Curls Ponytail
- Z Fun Summer Time
- Mango Movement Collection
- Diva's Desire Outfit
- Emotions Expressions

If that is the full content of the PreSale bundle I am not missing much having not bought it. OK there is this extra hair and the extra bikini. But if I remeber right incentives with the launch of the Vicky 8 Pro Bundle had been much better. I'll see what DAZ will offer at release day but as it is right now I do not plan to jump on the Gen9 train all that early.

I have to give Daz Studio marketing department a bravo. They have had me hooked for about two years now. Just today, I had the day off and I was thinking of working with Daz Studio for fun. I knew Victoria 9 was close to coming out so I headed over to the store. Now Available! Fantastic! I couldn't click through my shopping cart fast enough. Wait a minute, no downloads. Back to the front page, I see I made an error. Pre-order is now available. I'm just an idiot, and Daz Studio has my number, lol. Well, I guess I'm on the pre-order list now. Not a bad thing, just had my hopes up. I should be happy I have the day off I guess. 

Bunyip02 said:

Khoe said:

a new WIP my scene. It's going very slowly at the moment. There are always missing objects that have to be procured first. I am looking for suitable clothes for women.

Looking good !!!

Moroccan Dreams for Victoria 4 - https://www.daz3d.com/moroccan-dreams-for-victoria-4

Moroccan Dreams Unimesh Fits - https://www.daz3d.com/moroccan-dreams-unimesh-fits

Kamal - https://www.daz3d.com/kamal

Amal My Protector - https://www.daz3d.com/amal-my-protector

 oh Thanks :

Khoe said:

a new WIP my scene. It's going very slowly at the moment. There are always missing objects that have to be procured first. I am looking for suitable clothes for women.

Looking good !!!

Moroccan Dreams for Victoria 4 - https://www.daz3d.com/moroccan-dreams-for-victoria-4

Moroccan Dreams Unimesh Fits - https://www.daz3d.com/moroccan-dreams-unimesh-fits

Kamal - https://www.daz3d.com/kamal

Amal My Protector - https://www.daz3d.com/amal-my-protector

Formula target property not found:

^^^^^ Basically that means that a file in product A is trying to create an ERC link with a file in product B, and it either can't find it any where, or it's at a different location.

In the two samples you've posted, Zev0's product is looking for Victoria 8's head morph, and as that is the correct pathway, file name and asset ID for V8's head morph, that means you either don't own her or don't have her installed.

Get warnings in the log and wonder what they tell me?

Example of one warning type - there are a lot of this in the log:

2022-10-14 09:56:18.102 Iray [INFO] - MDLC:COMPILER ::   1.0   MDLC   comp info : Loading module "::daz_3d::pbr_skin" from "C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4 Public Build\shaders\iray\daz_3d\pbr_skin.mdl".
2022-10-14 09:56:24.571 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\pluginsource\DzIrayRender\dzneuraymgr.cpp(369): Iray [WARNING] - MDLC:COMPILER ::   1.0   MDLC   comp warn : C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4 Public Build\shaders\iray\daz_3d\volume.mdl(17,7): C302 conversion from 'float' to 'color' must be explicit

 

Another type - a lot of them in the log - I think for anything loaded there is one entry:

2022-10-14 09:56:30.654 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6969): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Victoria%208/FHMVictoria8.dsf#FHMVictoria8?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Zev0/Expression%20Smoother/EV8%20Pain%20Smoother.dsf#EV8%20Pain%20Smoother
2022-10-14 09:56:30.655 [WARNING] :: ..\..\..\..\..\src\sdksource\fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(6969): Formula target property not found: Genesis8Female:/data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/DAZ%203D/Victoria%208/FHMVictoria8.dsf#FHMVictoria8?value - in file: /data/DAZ%203D/Genesis%208/Female/Morphs/Zev0/Expression%20Smoother/EV8%20Happy%20Smoother.dsf#EV8%20Happy%20Smoother

This may not be a lot of help, but there is a pose transfer script that will transfer a pose from G8M to H3 so if you have a G8 pose you feel is appropriate, you can get it on H3. https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/86762/g8f-to-victoria-3-aiko-3-pose-transfer. I know it says G8F to V3/A3, but the bones and joint angles in Generation 3 seem to have been virtually identical across the range, so the converter should work with G8 to H3. Regards, Richard.

This may not be a lot of help, but there is a pose transfer script that will transfer a pose from G8M to H3 so if you have a G8 pose you feel is appropriate, you can get it on H3. https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/86762/g8f-to-victoria-3-aiko-3-pose-transfer. I know it says G8F to V3/A3, but the bones and joint angles in Generation 3 seem to have been virtually identical across the range, so the converter should work with G8 to H3. Regards, Richard.

The other day, the Victoria 9 HD Bundle has been renamed to Victoria 9 HD Intro Bundle listing 7 products in the bundle. 

Sevrin said:

I'm certain there are disadvantages from revealing too much, but on the other hand, you won't sell a lot of game pre-order bundles showing one character and "stuff" to be named later.

Edited for Please put your question in the post body and the title - Daz 3D Forums  , moved to the Commons as it is not a Daz Studio question.

No date has been given. There is much discussion here https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591351/genesis-9-coming-soon-preorder-victoria-9-hd-today#latest so I am closing this.

shilar_aa3b93f9ab said:

NorthOf45 said:

Wings sometimes fit to the character, sometimes they parent to the chest, or upper chest for those with upper and lower. Sometimes you have to manually reposition simple parented wings to make them look right, which you can do because they are parented, not fit. Sometimes there are morph adjustments to fit various characters. Which wings are we talking about?

Fae wings by Darkworld designs. They fit Victoria 4, which for some odd reason disappeared from autiofit.

Oh, those are, um, not new, but I have a one from the same vendor of similar vintage, Night Wings. They don't fit to or parent to any G3 figure by themselves, but you can parent them manually. They do drop down quite a bit when you do that, but you can just translate them into place. Using auto-fit will keep the morphs, but basically strip any bones (and rigging) which makes posing impossible.

inception8 said:

What are you looking for? Why would you need it? What would you get out of it? What purpose would it serve for you or for that matter me if that were directed at me?

This statement amuses me.

 I think I might be more amused, that you are amused.
But OK I'll bite.
See, you have Businesses.  These generally exist to generate money, and usually take the form of a Sole Proprietorship, Partnership, Limited Liability Company, or Corporation. The idea is that they generate money for those who work for them, and in cases of corporations, shareholders as well.
Businesses can "sell" a lot of different things to generate that money.  Some sell physical products.  Some sell services, But even others, like Tafi, sell Digital Assets that don't really exist as a physical product like say, a toaster, but fall into another product category called "software".
So if you are with me so far, You have a business (Tafi) that owns a computer program (DazStudio), that makes its money by selling those Digital Assets mentioned above.
Marketing, is a tool that businesses use to get people, or in this case, potential customers, to buy the items that they are selling.
Let us use Daz's own Genesis 9 Figures series as the example.  Tafi wants to make more money, so they create a product... Victoria 9 and want to sell her.  We don't know about her so they have to market her.  They may come up with some sort of jaw dropping advertisement to let the folks that might be interested in Victoria know about it.  If it is a really neat product, the people that see the advertisement might talk about it with other enthusiasts that don't know about it.  Some businesspeople call this "talk" that potential customers have about their products, "Buzz".
Remember, if your goal is to make money, having a lot of "Buzz" about the things you want to sell is considered helpful because the more buzz that surrounds those products, the greater chance that you have of selling MORE of those products.
I really hope that helped inception8.  There were some really big concepts that I tried to break down into easily digestible pieces.  But if you want more in depth information on why a business would want to market, advertise and sell products to generate money, here are some links you can follow

What is a Business?
Marketing 101: The Basics Every Business Owner Should Know
What is Buzz Marketing?

 

So, now, I'll try again, and it might make more sense...

I would have thought there would be some teaser threads from PAs about the cool Gen 9 stuff they have been working on.... 
(Because this creates interest in products that you are trying to sell...  For Tafi/Daz AND the PAs)

Has Daz required Radio Silence?  I would have thought they would want a bit more buzz building up
(Is Daz requiring its PAs NOT to talk about their products?  This prevents them from generating interest in their products... Hmm, this would seem to go against basic business strategy...)

 

NorthOf45 said:

Wings sometimes fit to the character, sometimes they parent to the chest, or upper chest for those with upper and lower. Sometimes you have to manually reposition simple parented wings to make them look right, which you can do because they are parented, not fit. Sometimes there are morph adjustments to fit various characters. Which wings are we talking about?

Fae wings by Darkworld designs. They fit Victoria 4, which for some odd reason disappeared from autiofit.

outrider42 said:

The key difference from the gaming industry comparison is that games can be shown off years in advance. So yeah, the hype can die down. All I am talking about here is a couple weeks. That is a pretty big difference. A couple weeks doesn't leave time for the new shine to wear off.

And if that is the argument, wasn't revealing Victoria 9 a mistake by that logic? There are limits to how far this line of thinking can go. Clearly Daz wants to create hype. But here is the thing, and I am sure the marketers in the forums can understand this: You have to MAINTAIN THAT HYPE. You cannot allow it to die. If you let the hype die, you failed. No, you trickle things out, and control what gets out so that it is exciting. Instead, Daz simply stopped everything. Jay is making videos, but after the reveal video the later videos have nothing new to show. That is a failure on Daz (to be clear, I am not saying the failure is on Jay, he is cool). Give people a reason to watch. Show people a hint of what you are bringing. Show some awesome promos that wouldn't be easy to do with G8. Show the user why the separate mouth and eye is a good thing. Show us how the new unified body is better than having them separate. Prove the doubters wrong and convert them.

Besides that, I am mostly just asking for the most basic of information. Things with Genesis 9 seem to be different. So it stands to reason that questions about basic functionality be addressed. 

What about genital parts? Now that Genesis is unified, does Victoria include...both? Sure, recent Daz Originals have done that. But not all, and since G9 is a new thing, who is to say how things are done now. These are questions worth asking. Do customers have to buy the bundle? Is it it even included with the bundle??

That question has not been addressed by anyone. 

What about the price? Sure there is a price listed, but is that price going to be the same on launch day, or will it go up? That is a pretty basic question.

How many items will the bundle have? Without even revealing the contents you can at least say how many items it includes. 

And like Sevrin just posted, game preorders give players a better idea of what they are getting. These days they even make charts listing the items included with the preorder, something that Daz was unwilling to do. Most games will show off gameplay footage. Some even do full on beta like Street Fighter 6 is doing right now (and to wild acclaim I might add.)

There is certainly a balance to it. It is an art form itself, and why people get paid to be marketers. But what Daz is doing here doesn't make sense to me. You are letting Victoria 9's hype grow cold because you will not show us anything.

I (probably) misinterpreted your question as genuine curiosity about what would lead a company to make a choice that doesn't seem to have any obvious benefit to them, so that's why I commented with an example of why it might not actually have any benefit or any logic behind it beyond circumstance and people having to choose between what would be ideal for promoting the product and whatever other priority is on their radar. Because that happens a lot! Like I said, what I think is most likely is that there's nothing else they can give us to create the almighty hype that would make any measurable difference to sales either way, and that they're at the point where the best way to answer questions about the figure is for people to get their hands on it. But that's also me assuming a level of conscious planning rather than careening from fire to fire trying to get the thing out the door on schedule, which also happens a lot in many tech situations. Who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

I think it's weird that they didn't post all the information about the figure functionality as soon as they announced it, and IMO that would have been a good thing to do, but this is a company that has never made what I would consider a normal marketing decision in the time I've been using the program. I could not tell you who their ideal user is or who they're trying to reach. I'm always kind of surprised when they give advance information about anything at all, because usually they don't. I think it's especially weird that they haven't talked about what's in the bundle they're preselling, but they appear to be really enthused about Surprise Purchases lately and for all I know enough people bought the pass thing that it makes sense by their metrics. They're gonna do what they're gonna do, which seems to be pretty common for niche software development companies that have been around since the Ice Age (looking at you, Dragon Naturally Speaking). 

More on topic: I think Jay answered the gens question on the latest stream; he mentioned Catty's bundle as an example and said both are included. 

 

The key difference from the gaming industry comparison is that games can be shown off years in advance. So yeah, the hype can die down. All I am talking about here is a couple weeks. That is a pretty big difference. A couple weeks doesn't leave time for the new shine to wear off.

And if that is the argument, wasn't revealing Victoria 9 a mistake by that logic? There are limits to how far this line of thinking can go. Clearly Daz wants to create hype. But here is the thing, and I am sure the marketers in the forums can understand this: You have to MAINTAIN THAT HYPE. You cannot allow it to die. If you let the hype die, you failed. No, you trickle things out, and control what gets out so that it is exciting. Instead, Daz simply stopped everything. Jay is making videos, but after the reveal video the later videos have nothing new to show. That is a failure on Daz (to be clear, I am not saying the failure is on Jay, he is cool). Give people a reason to watch. Show people a hint of what you are bringing. Show some awesome promos that wouldn't be easy to do with G8. Show the user why the separate mouth and eye is a good thing. Show us how the new unified body is better than having them separate. Prove the doubters wrong and convert them.

Besides that, I am mostly just asking for the most basic of information. Things with Genesis 9 seem to be different. So it stands to reason that questions about basic functionality be addressed. 

What about genital parts? Now that Genesis is unified, does Victoria include...both? Sure, recent Daz Originals have done that. But not all, and since G9 is a new thing, who is to say how things are done now. These are questions worth asking. Do customers have to buy the bundle? Is it it even included with the bundle??

That question has not been addressed by anyone. 

What about the price? Sure there is a price listed, but is that price going to be the same on launch day, or will it go up? That is a pretty basic question.

How many items will the bundle have? Without even revealing the contents you can at least say how many items it includes. 

And like Sevrin just posted, game preorders give players a better idea of what they are getting. These days they even make charts listing the items included with the preorder, something that Daz was unwilling to do. Most games will show off gameplay footage. Some even do full on beta like Street Fighter 6 is doing right now (and to wild acclaim I might add.)

There is certainly a balance to it. It is an art form itself, and why people get paid to be marketers. But what Daz is doing here doesn't make sense to me. You are letting Victoria 9's hype grow cold because you will not show us anything.

Only PAs have the model, and may not be able to answer. In any event, theer is an active thread here https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591351/genesis-9-coming-soon-preorder-victoria-9-hd-today#latest

Asking for a friend.

This has, of course, been painstakingly solved in previous generations by third-party artists half a dozen different ways over the years, I'm just wondering which of those solutions will finally be implemented in the official model, right out of the box?

How can I use morphs with Victoria 5 in Carrara 8.5 Pro? I just purchased the Carrara 8.5 Pro bundle , but the only morphs available in parameters is the base one. How can I use the others that were included in the bundle?

Pendraia said:

MimicMolly said:

Pendraia said:

Mada said:

PAs are the canaries in the coal mine - if they hate the figure then there's a problem. With content creation you are studying the figure under a microscope and have to fix any issues you're running into - they will spend a LOT more time using a figure when creating than the average user :)

this is so true! If the PA's don't like a figure they won't make stuff for it...

Speaking of content. Am I the only one to notice there are now links on the bundle page but they only lead to pages that say oops! Except for the one for Victoria.

Image removed

Not anymore. X'D

But I am now curious on how G9 can move like a mango, if it has a "Mango Movement Collection."

Yeah, I wondered about that. 

How does a Mango move? It doesn't, on its own. Maybe aninteresting wording for a standing pose collectiion.

MimicMolly said:

Pendraia said:

Mada said:

PAs are the canaries in the coal mine - if they hate the figure then there's a problem. With content creation you are studying the figure under a microscope and have to fix any issues you're running into - they will spend a LOT more time using a figure when creating than the average user :)

this is so true! If the PA's don't like a figure they won't make stuff for it...

Speaking of content. Am I the only one to notice there are now links on the bundle page but they only lead to pages that say oops! Except for the one for Victoria.

Image removed

Not anymore. X'D

But I am now curious on how G9 can move like a mango, if it has a "Mango Movement Collection."

Yeah, I wondered about that.