Per creare uno specchio in 3Delight ti basta aumentare la Reflection Strength e portare in basso Ambient color (verso il nero) e il gioco è fatto.

Per Filament devi aspettare shader specifici, il motore è stato implementato da poco.

Salve a tutti, ho una domanda riguardante Filament . Volevo creare uno specchio.

Usando shader 3Delight o Iray non funzionano.

Invece usando shader PBR  nel riflesso vedo il cielo  con le nuvole e il sole (domus), ma non l'oggetto posto davanti ad esso.

C'é un modo per avere un riflesso reale o bisogna attendere shader specifici per Filament ?

Allego rendering di prova Filament e Iray

FSL Realistic Hair Shaders for Iray and Filament

Didn't see a thread for this so popping one here.

https://www.daz3d.com/fsl-realistic-hair-shaders-for-iray-and-filament

First up - it's awesome and does wonders for old hair (and adds loads of options for new hair too).

Second: By way of a PSA: If applying to older (3DL shader) hairs,DS was hanging for me (waited minutes upon minutes before I quit). Converting to Iray Uber first (mere milliseconds) THEN applying FSL Hair shader (mere split-seconds) works just fine :) Could be just me but figured I'd mention it in case anyone else was having trouble.

Sadly no time for a render just yet, but I wanted to stop by to give it 2 thumbs up :)

Filament also seems to borrow from Vulkan in some part. I do hope we'll be getting more features from the official standard, since not everything is implemented in Filament for Daz3D. That said the path from Daz to any other package is getting easier, for instance with Daz to Blender's Eevee. 
 

There is a Daz Studio SDK that would allow integration with this renderer though, and the Daz filament implementation is on github, so a skilled programmer could perhaps look at the wickedengine and create a renderbridge.

lilweep said:

i dont pay attention to developments, but are they going to make more filament render options.  I like the purple Filament view that comes up before textures load in - wish there was a way to have that as a draw option.

+1 on that.  It's so intruging but it only appears for a second or so on my system.

Filament wasn't mean to be an alternative to Iray for production renders.  It's a PBR draw mode designed to provide an instant, real-time Viewport preview of your scene without having to wait for Iray to process anything.

The main purpose of Filament project is for google can use 3D contents on mobile for VR, which doesn't request a good render result.

So, after some years' developing, Filament is still lack of a lot of features, and rejects some good features.

Which means, with Filament, Daz's realtime rendering will never as good as iClone or Eevee. Filament is not even as good as Cinema4d's OpenGL realtime renderer.

But, Daz Studio does need an open source real-time PBR rendering engine. So, if Filament is a not good choice, which one is?

Well, I did a search, turns out, there are not many choices for this. But, there is a good one!

WickedEngine: https://github.com/turanszkij/WickedEngine

It's a C++ cross platform game eninge, with some very good features, which Filament may never have.

* Screen space reflection (Filament rejects this feature)

* Voxel Global Illumination (A realtime GI, which is used by iClone, Unreal 5 and CryEngine)

* Realtime Ray tracing, path tracing (on GPU, not just reflection, also with shadow and AO)

* Area light

* Offer Both Deferred and Forward+ render pipelines.
(Deferred pipeline is used by all desktop games. Forward pipeline is used by mobile games.)

Well, it's a game engine with sound, bone,  particle and so on. But with C++ API, you can only use it as a rendering engine.

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Everything is good to go. There is only one problem: Filament is backed by Google, and WickedEngine is created by one guy.

But, WickedEngine already has every good features for rendering, it reaches the best real-time rendering result on Desktop as Unreal, CryEngine and Eevee.  Even if somehow WickedEngine stops development, you already get everything you need. So Daz Studio won't lose the real-time battle with Eevee or iClone.

But with Filament, nothing changes. Without Global Illumination and a good reflection, Daz Studio is still gonna lose this battle.

i dont pay attention to developments, but are they going to make more filament render options.  I like the purple Filament view that comes up before textures load in - wish there was a way to have that as a draw option.

seamanq said:

seamanq said:

I just installed it, used it once or twice, and now when I try to launch it, I am getting this error in my log file:

2021-03-11 23:39:03.898 Loading script: C:/Users/Test User/Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/My Daz Connect Library/data/cloud/1_80055/scripts/riversoft art/rssy 3delight and iray to filament/rssy 3dl and iray to filament.dse.enc
2021-03-11 23:39:03.899 Failed to load script: C:/Users/Test User/Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/My Daz Connect Library/data/cloud/1_80055/scripts/riversoft art/rssy 3delight and iray to filament/rssy 3dl and iray to filament.dse.enc

Any clue what could be going on here. What little I saw told me I totally want this to work.

OK, I had to use the Daz utility to uninstall then reinstall and it went back to normal. I think that when I originally downloaded it and it used DIM to install, that caused some problems.

V3Digitimes and I were just discussing this.  It appears like Daz Connect is breaking our scripting products (or at least it is happening more often); there has been a ticket submitted about it.  My recommendation is to uninstall the Daz Connect version, make sure you delete the files on disk, and install using DIM.

seamanq said:

I just installed it, used it once or twice, and now when I try to launch it, I am getting this error in my log file:

2021-03-11 23:39:03.898 Loading script: C:/Users/Test User/Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/My Daz Connect Library/data/cloud/1_80055/scripts/riversoft art/rssy 3delight and iray to filament/rssy 3dl and iray to filament.dse.enc
2021-03-11 23:39:03.899 Failed to load script: C:/Users/Test User/Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/My Daz Connect Library/data/cloud/1_80055/scripts/riversoft art/rssy 3delight and iray to filament/rssy 3dl and iray to filament.dse.enc

Any clue what could be going on here. What little I saw told me I totally want this to work.

OK, I had to use the Daz utility to uninstall then reinstall and it went back to normal. I think that when I originally downloaded it and it used DIM to install, that caused some problems.

I just installed it, used it once or twice, and now when I try to launch it, I am getting this error in my log file:

2021-03-11 23:39:03.898 Loading script: C:/Users/Test User/Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/My Daz Connect Library/data/cloud/1_80055/scripts/riversoft art/rssy 3delight and iray to filament/rssy 3dl and iray to filament.dse.enc
2021-03-11 23:39:03.899 Failed to load script: C:/Users/Test User/Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/My Daz Connect Library/data/cloud/1_80055/scripts/riversoft art/rssy 3delight and iray to filament/rssy 3dl and iray to filament.dse.enc

Any clue what could be going on here. What little I saw told me I totally want this to work.

Anfy said:

Grazie Imago per la cortese risposta, guarderò avidamente i tutorial, benché in inglese (tutto sommato essendo il programma non localizzato in italiano, ha senso).

Dio che username orrenda che mi ha affibbiato il sistema, qualcuno ha un'idea di come modificarla?

Avrei altre mille domande, ma per ora mi astengo dal farle, o meglio ne propongo solo una, probabilmente da un milione di dollari: c'è un motore di rendering che è sempre e comunque superiore - in quanto a fotorealismo - agli altri (LuxRender via Reality, Octane, Iray ecc.) o a seconda del contesto la resa può variare?

Grazie!

No, perchè dipende molto da come imposti il motore stesso e che materiali utilizzi. Qualche volta anche l'hardware influisce sul risultato.

Qui tutti vanno pazzi per IRay perchè il sistema di illuminazione è molto facile da usare e i materiali sono abbastanza fotorealistici ma secondo me è rotto a livelli assurdi e richiede un hardware da migliaia di euro per poter avere un flusso di lavoro decente o anche solo riuscire a renderizzare.
3Delight è molto buono e si ottengono dei ivelli di realismo molto elevati, non richiede un hardware molto costoso ma materiali e luci sono difficili da usare, ci vuole molta pratica, ma i render sono decisamente più veloci.
Poi c'è il neonato (qui almeno) Filament, facile come IRay e veloce come 3Delight ma ancora allo stadio iniziale. Tuttavia promette molto bene, da quel che vedo devono solo risolvere le trasparenze e aggiungere qualche luce in più ed è perfetto.

Per gli altri motori è necessario un plugin e un programma esterno. Su Otoy c'è ul livello gratuito apposito per DAZ Studio, il loro motore è molto valido e sembra anche veloce ma come per 3Delight richiede un pò di pratica con materiali e luci.

Insomma, fai pratica e scopri quale motore va meglio per te.

the materials and how it uses the textures are very iray specific though not even working in Filament let alone Carrara or export to iClone or Unreal.

one might be able to do something in Carrara using operators and layers, I sort of fudged it a bit.

his base is more of a puma, one would have to use a multiply or mixer operator to add the stripe maps

using the base and dark base in a mixer with the stripes as a blender looks like it will work

Richard Haseltine said:

You could export the 8.1 figure at base resolution and load that as a new UV set for 8.0, but you would then need to split the head/body group in two or the maps would overlap. At that point what would you be gaining over using 8.1 itself?

well for a start being able to use it in D|S 4.11 to actually render it as an animation in iray in a reasonable time on my rig without an RTX card with other morphs such as visemes and expressions not just its own.

4.15 public beta in Filament just wouldn't  do it justice  

and don't get me started on autofitting clothes in 4.15 ...

 I add any morph is playing smoothly, but things get laggy as soon as a movement is involved.

The feature you need but that isn't in Daz, is for the timeline to record and play back the animation.  Second best is rendering it to a set of .png using the OpenGL or new Filament renderer, then join the pngs using ffmpeg.  I'm really not too sure why the performance is so terrible.  I suspect like a lot of other issues in Daz it's the UI firing off a web of events whenever anything happens (I'm speculating of course). 

I'm making tons of animations and it would help me a lot to visualize them smoothtly in viewport before rendering to make sure they look natural. Currently my 50 fps animations are more about 1fps when playing the timeline, whatever I choose filament or hidden line preview modes. Is it even possible to get a smooth animation with the best hardware ever ? Otherwise, how should I do ?

 I add any morph is playing smoothly, but things get laggy as soon as a movement is involved.

TGSNT said:

Why do faces look lighter in 4.15? I'm using the 4.15 beta alongisde 4.12.0.86 and the first thing I noticed is that as soon as I bring a scene in from 4.12 to 4.15 it looks like the faces are lightly powdered in white? Whats going on? If I reopen the scene in 4.12 everything is normal, but if I try to render in 4.15 the face is noticeably whiter/lighter than the rest of the body. Also what the heck are these tonemapper and environment nodes? Can I safely delete these?

The "Tonemapper" and "Environment" [Options] nodes contain the settings from the corresponding panes in the render tab.  The "Filament Draw" Options node contains the settings from the Filament "Draw Settings" pane.  Deleting them in 4.14+ does the same as pressing the "Default" button on the relevant pane did in 4.12.

Check your "Render Settings" tab in both 4.12 and 4.15.  Look at the "Advanced" pane; it should be "NVidia Iray" because that is the default.  If it is you need to check all the sub-panes, "Hardware", "Canvases" and "Bridge" in both; they can be changed independently and aren't completely properties of the scene.  Make sure they are the same.  I think the "Defaults" button still works on the Advanced tab but I haven't checked that and I found the 4.12 behavior weird; when I loaded a scene it sometimes seemed to retain some of the settings of the previous scene.

Then check the "Render Settings" "Editor" pane and look for anything which is not the default.  (Assuming you aren't in the habit of changing the defaults, as I am; if you do it is necessary to be much more careful...)

It this is all fine or the face/torso distinction still happens after making both versions have the same settings, I suggest posting renders of the neck from the two versions; someone here may be able to guess at what is going on, along with the exact Beta subversion number (since I think a couple of things might have changed in recent betas).

My times are in this comment:

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/6541996/#Comment_6541996

Summarized for this thread these are load times for the Genesis 8 Basic Female with varying numbers (the # column) of G8 characters (both F and M) visible to DAZStudio (and no other changes; all my other G8 content was visible).  The first number is for the first load after the DSON cache has been deleted, the second is for the second load when the DSON cache is fully populated.  All tests involved running a script to insert the character immediately after starting DAZStudio, times are in seconds:

  # no cache cached
--- -------- ------
  0   17.075 10.919
 78   25.903 19.910
636  100.807 91.726

If I remove most morphs, expressions, poses and wardrobe items (my setup has some morphs and a small number of expressions always installed), I get to 2.649s to load the character with the cache, 4.169s without.  The DSON cache saves between 1.5 and 10s, which is very significant for the base load time but ceases to be so as the load time increases.  Apart from the load time increase caused by extra characters there are significant increases for some other items.  The extra time over the 2.649s number is given below.  The first column is what I added for the test, the second column is the increase in load time (with the DSON cache):

Add         Extra time
----------- ----------
Wardrobe    +0.379
Poses       +0.833
Expressions +1.644
Morphs      +4.009

I've got about 1250 wardrobe packages.  I've got 35 morph packages but 10 of them are in my base set (i.e. the figure for Morphs is just the for the additional 25 packages.)

Here's the script:

Copy that line into the "Script IDE" tab, edit the root directory, and hit Execute; the output window at the bottom contains both the log messages and (at the end) the load time.  I suggest using "Wire Frame" in the viewport; Filament takes several seconds to get up-to-speed after the load.

MarcCCTx said:

Is there a way to make the RSSY Shadowcaster produce a fuzzy shadow?

No, that is not something the script controls.  That is all up to Filament.

Here is the original V1.0 (attached) that should save out the skins fine, except for the lashes issue that was addressed in version 1.2

This is the change log in versions so we gonna backtrack to see where the output got messed up.

Updated to version 1.1

Added fix for when viewport is in Filament preview which it is not designed for and causes issues. Script now auto changes to Iray preview while skin building process occurs if viewport was in Filament preview.
Added proper blocker to not work on 8.1 base.

Updated to version 1.2

Issue with saving Eyelash preset resolved.

Please test again with version 1.0 to see if output on skin is working fine. Thanks