SonixUK said:

gwalla_2536c3a4a6 said:

Nice catch! Changing the directory structure like that did the trick. Daz did crash in the process, but it successfully installed and now I can put this cutie pie into some ridiculous fantasy adventures.

Was your viewport in Filament mode by chance?

If I use CW in filament mode, it crashes DAZ 85% of the time (although DAZ crashes and closes, CW remains open and can sometimes complete the process)

I always switch to Texture Shaded before launching CW. I've never had a single crash in that viewport mode.

It probably was. I tend to default to that.

I had high hopes that maybe you'd cracked the code with this suggestion, so I switched to wireframe and...the first two products I tried crashed at the end. Oh well.

Still, it does seem to be more stable overall, so even if that isn't a total fix it seems to have helped.

SonixUK said:

RiverSoft Art said:

Wow, I didn't know that. Maybe we should have you give an experts seminar 

 It's a fantastic tool that I use a lot.
Can't claim to be an expert, though. Discovering this fix was more of a happy accident since I forgot to switch out from Texture Shaded in a previous session.
When I started using CW in my next session, I was curious as to why it wasn't crashing and went down the rabbit hole to find out!
I can give you a little more info:
CW crashes often for me in Filament, but it's pretty much a guarantee if it involves a G9 item.
If in Filament, DAZ will crash, but CW will continue to operate as normal until you close the window - Unless it's G9 related - This causes CW to freeze at the point where it loads the item into the viewport. 
In fact, all the DAZ crashes relate to loading the item into the viewport in Filament mode, but for some reason, only G9 stops the operation from completing.
Again, switching to Texture shaded prevents this completely, even with G9.

Thanks for the bug report. That is bizarre behavior. 

RiverSoft Art said:

Wow, I didn't know that. Maybe we should have you give an experts seminar 

 It's a fantastic tool that I use a lot.
Can't claim to be an expert, though. Discovering this fix was more of a happy accident since I forgot to switch out from Texture Shaded in a previous session.
When I started using CW in my next session, I was curious as to why it wasn't crashing and went down the rabbit hole to find out!
I can give you a little more info:
CW crashes often for me in Filament, but it's pretty much a guarantee if it involves a G9 item.
If in Filament, DAZ will crash, but CW will continue to operate as normal until you close the window - Unless it's G9 related - This causes CW to freeze at the point where it loads the item into the viewport. 
In fact, all the DAZ crashes relate to loading the item into the viewport in Filament mode, but for some reason, only G9 stops the operation from completing.
Again, switching to Texture shaded prevents this completely, even with G9.

SonixUK said:

gwalla_2536c3a4a6 said:

Nice catch! Changing the directory structure like that did the trick. Daz did crash in the process, but it successfully installed and now I can put this cutie pie into some ridiculous fantasy adventures.

Was your viewport in Filament mode by chance?

If I use CW in filament mode, it crashes DAZ 85% of the time (although DAZ crashes and closes, CW remains open and can sometimes complete the process)

I always switch to Texture Shaded before launching CW. I've never had a single crash in that viewport mode.

Wow, I didn't know that. Maybe we should have you give an experts seminar 

gwalla_2536c3a4a6 said:

Nice catch! Changing the directory structure like that did the trick. Daz did crash in the process, but it successfully installed and now I can put this cutie pie into some ridiculous fantasy adventures.

Was your viewport in Filament mode by chance?

If I use CW in filament mode, it crashes DAZ 85% of the time (although DAZ crashes and closes, CW remains open and can sometimes complete the process)

I always switch to Texture Shaded before launching CW. I've never had a single crash in that viewport mode.

Uthgard said:

After a few tries in Iray, I can confidently say I would never even consider animation in Daz without Filament. Now, if only we could trade some of that speed for working reflections...

instances can sometimes fake it if in say a mirror or lake which are really holes 

negatively scaled on one axis, X for the mirror Y for the lake, puddle, pond etc

After a few tries in Iray, I can confidently say I would never even consider animation in Daz without Filament. Now, if only we could trade some of that speed for working reflections...

barbult said:

Richard Haseltine said:

barbult said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Do my legs look extra skinny there?

Your fur is extra hard to see in Filament. I tried my best.

I wondered is that was it, I haven't used Filament that much (and didn't realise how skinny I was under the fluff). 

Have you ever given a cat a bath? They look scrawny with their fur all soaked down. That reminds me. "You" had a nice bubble bath after the solvent incident at Ron's apartment.

See other Richard's answer re cat bathing. Though some of them have come in pretty sliicked down from rain.

Richard Haseltine said:

barbult said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Do my legs look extra skinny there?

Your fur is extra hard to see in Filament. I tried my best.

I wondered is that was it, I haven't used Filament that much (and didn't realise how skinny I was under the fluff). 

Have you ever given a cat a bath? They look scrawny with their fur all soaked down. That reminds me. "You" had a nice bubble bath after the solvent incident at Ron's apartment.

barbult said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Do my legs look extra skinny there?

Your fur is extra hard to see in Filament. I tried my best.

I wondered is that was it, I haven't used Filament that much (and didn't realise how skinny I was under the fluff). 

Richard Haseltine said:

Do my legs look extra skinny there?

Hey, thanks for these. I'd rather do everything with Filament, as I'm trying to get a proper animation pipeline going and it's orders of magnitude faster than Iray, but, well, if there's no other option, I can at least try with canvas.

I always accidentally get caught up in explaining myself - I just can't help it. So I apologize. But then I duck back out and let the conversation continue on without all of this... okay? Peachy!

Something that I view as an important part of utilizing Daz Studio and Daz 3D - even though I am aware that there are Many other options:

• IP - Intellectual Property

Rosie is my IP Character. Bam. She's not born from an image of someone that I stole from the internet, she wasn't a selection of random images generated from an AI prompt... she's mine. I sculpted her using Daz 3D.

This, to me, is a very important aspect of this whole craft - designing our own digital actors to portray what we want shown on the screen. Sure, I get criticized for not telling stories. But that's not where I am yet. I'm still honing stuff. Important (to me) stuff. Wendy knows that all of these things that I do are story-driven - I have plenty of that brewing as I animate Rosie. Those actual story moments just happen to disappear in my fun musical edits in most cases - simply because my videos aren't yet meant to tell stories. But they will! And in the meantime, they're all still My Characters!

With the invention of my Motion Capture Editing techniques that I've developed in my Dynamic Character Animation course, I have found Daz Studio to be my hands-down favorite means of animating - Period.

While this may not be for everyone, it's truly erasing the misunderstandings created over decades that we cannot animate in Daz Studio. Quite the opposite - we can have an easier time directing our digital actors in Daz Studio than nearly any other system! 

• Easy

Unlike a professional animation studio,we get to animate our 'finished product' actor right from the start - and render it out when we're done playing with it. This is incredibly different than what we'd be learning to do for most other systems. We buy from Daz 3D - it Works in Daz Studio. Easy!

I am heartbroken that Reissormocap is no longer part of the Daz 3D store - not sure what happened there, but I'm glad for me that I had already collected the entire Reissormocap store. Whew!!! But I feel for those who had not. They were highly original and very well made - and they came as individual poses from throughout the animations, animated pose files, as well as aniBlocks - my preferred method.

• Powerful

Being able to render using Iray and/or Octane and/or Filament in any resolution we want and any format... we are basically given the entire flow within one piece of software except for the final stage movie editing process - and I'm glad that they don't spend time including that into Studio since DaVinci Resolve already exists - Hollywood-class production for free? Um... Yeah!!!

Having Daz 3D and their PAs as our art department is Magic! It's Powerful! It's also Incredibly Affordable! When I was being urged to try another popular 3D animation solution from another company, I had determined that, even after spending $1,000.00 USD I would still be left incomplete for making someone like Rosie and being able to place her in the environments I do. And that would just be my startup!

Daz 3D is Much different than that. I've seen several criticisms about the company and, while some folks might be able to twist a solid point against them, in every case I've seen they don't continue and show all of the benefits that nullify their gripes. Daz Studio comes with such a plethora to get started - before ever spending anything. And then, spending tid bits here and there on specific needs can take you to producing a cool video of a story you want to tell - just like that! 

Powerful, Friendly, Cost-Effective, and loaded with personal choice. 

Next month or so I'll be delivering a Creative Cart webinar that discusses many of these things and much more - because I truly believe in the power of each artist having their own, unique character that drives them to make cool art - now matter whether it's animated or not.

And at present there are a few edge cases where it can be useful to use UltraScenery 1 rather than 2.

For example, I've experimented with FilaToon and UltraScenery; it works better to have instances to make visible in Filament mode, and I never figured out a way to make that work with UltraScenery 2.

(There are other issues trying to do this, like memory limits with shadows if you have a LOT of instances, but... what the heck)

Cybersox said:

And that leads into the other point, which is whether the benefit of the prices in one store being cheaper than the prices in another is really such a value if the cheaper store isn't producing enough of the sort of product that you would prefer to see.  In other words, it's one thing to choose based on price alone if everything else is equal, but if the cheaper store isn't supplying something that you specifically want, then it comes down to whether you want  to "save" buying something that's not completely your cup of tea or going elsewhere and supporting a PA who IS creating things you like more for a few extra dollars. Because by doing the latter, you encorage the creation of more products that fall within your interests, whereas by the former you may only encourage the creation of things that may drift further and further away from what you really want.  After all, if the price of a car was the only factor that mattered in buying one, the Nissan Vera would be the number one selling car in the U.S. and nobody would ever buy a Mercedes or Lexus.  Finally, I don't see this as a DAZ versus Other stores thing, but rather one of supporting the PAs whose work you like the most, even if that sometimes means spending a little more to do so.  From everything I've read and heard from PAs talking about "the business" over the years, not many of them are exactly rolling in barrels of cash, so it makes a lot of sense to follow and encourage the ones you want to see keep producing new products, no matter where they may be selling.        

Except, I can't go to the filament-rich store that doesn't exist. There's definitely more filament stuff in the Daz shop. So I am supporting the store that has "the most" filament stuff.

(Oops, deleted it...) As for someone releasing filament G1/G2 skins, I doubt that would sell at sufficient levels to be worth doing. (I, for one, don't own the base G1/G2 figures. While that saves them some character design time, opportunity cost to make a sale is hindered among folks who don't have to original assets.)

I know very well the 3D artists aren't swimming in money and they have to go where the money is. 

And I'm here complaining hoping someone will give filament more of a try. Most of the existing filament assets are from when filament was still new and people hadn't had a chance to work with it. Of course it didnt sell well then.

Aye. Thank you, DAZ! I picked up the Fantasy Street, which looks fun to play with in Filament.

Cybersox said:

jmucchiello said:

Cybersox said:

jmucchiello said:

 

Asha seems to be the last DO character that had any filament support. That was August. And she hasn't been part of the Premiere character bundle offer for a while now.

Over the years, I've noticed that DAZ has a habit of tossing out new product technology and then relying mainly on the PAs to adopt it and make it work or not, and there has only been a small handful of artists supporting Filatoon at all, a pool that got even smaller with Oso's recent departure.  Not supporting Filatoon with DO characters is sadly, therefore, really not unexpected.  On the other hand, at least there are some Filatoon products being made and sold on other sites, including Renderosity and Renderotica.   

There are 2 filatoon characters, that I could find, on Renderosity. 8 or 9 at Renderhub. And slightly more at Renderotica. Apparently Filament is very popular among the PAs. Probably because Daz doesn't push it at all. I would have thought the loss of the 3Delight license, they would lean on Filament. So far, not so much.

And even if other websites had a decent filament presence, I've spent a ton of money here because the prices are better here, for me. Sales at those other sites just don't compare.

Rendo is fairly light, and some of what they have you have to look at carefully like Chaaos Queen-world's Pia for G9, where the filament skin versions are shown in some of the promo shots but the specification that there is a seperate set of filament skins is only listed way down in the materials section, and Yomoran's Yururi, whch is a G8F character with Filatoon skin option.  I thought Tri-X that had released a FIlatoon figure on Rendo recently, but I went back and checked and whilke it is a toon character with a seperate toon skin, it's a special one made for Iray.  'Rotica definitely has shown the most interest in FIlatoon from what I've seen... but I'll admit that I'm not really much of a user of either filament or filatoon, so a lot of what I notice is just stuff that happens to catch my eye while scrolling through the stores. 

Obviously DAZ usually has the cheapest prices, but price isn't the only thing I care about and I feel that the catch with only buying at DAZ is that it's putting all of one's eggs in one basket and hoping DAZ's interests will go where you want.  As it is, there are a lot of the now top DAZ PAs who got their start at the other stores, and there are now many of my favorite DAZ PAs who are now selling elsewhere, so I don't mind spending a little more if it encourages the production of the kind of products I like.  Sure, you can get just about everything you want at WalMart, but would anyone really want to have WalMart as the only store they can go to?       

why its important to spread the wealth a bit.  I would like to see some competition. 

jmucchiello said:

Cybersox said:

jmucchiello said:

 

Asha seems to be the last DO character that had any filament support. That was August. And she hasn't been part of the Premiere character bundle offer for a while now.

Over the years, I've noticed that DAZ has a habit of tossing out new product technology and then relying mainly on the PAs to adopt it and make it work or not, and there has only been a small handful of artists supporting Filatoon at all, a pool that got even smaller with Oso's recent departure.  Not supporting Filatoon with DO characters is sadly, therefore, really not unexpected.  On the other hand, at least there are some Filatoon products being made and sold on other sites, including Renderosity and Renderotica.   

There are 2 filatoon characters, that I could find, on Renderosity. 8 or 9 at Renderhub. And slightly more at Renderotica. Apparently Filament is very popular among the PAs. Probably because Daz doesn't push it at all. I would have thought the loss of the 3Delight license, they would lean on Filament. So far, not so much.

And even if other websites had a decent filament presence, I've spent a ton of money here because the prices are better here, for me. Sales at those other sites just don't compare.

Rendo is fairly light, and some of what they have you have to look at carefully like Chaaos Queen-world's Pia for G9, where the filament skin versions are shown in some of the promo shots but the specification that there is a seperate set of filament skins is only listed way down in the materials section, and Yomoran's Yururi, whch is a G8F character with Filatoon skin option.  I thought Tri-X that had released a FIlatoon figure on Rendo recently, but I went back and checked and whilke it is a toon character with a seperate toon skin, it's a special one made for Iray.  'Rotica definitely has shown the most interest in FIlatoon from what I've seen... but I'll admit that I'm not really much of a user of either filament or filatoon, so a lot of what I notice is just stuff that happens to catch my eye while scrolling through the stores. 

Obviously DAZ usually has the cheapest prices, but price isn't the only thing I care about and I feel that the catch with only buying at DAZ is that it's putting all of one's eggs in one basket and hoping DAZ's interests will go where you want.  As it is, there are a lot of the now top DAZ PAs who got their start at the other stores, and there are now many of my favorite DAZ PAs who are now selling elsewhere, so I don't mind spending a little more if it encourages the production of the kind of products I like.  Sure, you can get just about everything you want at WalMart, but would anyone really want to have WalMart as the only store they can go to?       

Cybersox said:

jmucchiello said:

 

Asha seems to be the last DO character that had any filament support. That was August. And she hasn't been part of the Premiere character bundle offer for a while now.

Over the years, I've noticed that DAZ has a habit of tossing out new product technology and then relying mainly on the PAs to adopt it and make it work or not, and there has only been a small handful of artists supporting Filatoon at all, a pool that got even smaller with Oso's recent departure.  Not supporting Filatoon with DO characters is sadly, therefore, really not unexpected.  On the other hand, at least there are some Filatoon products being made and sold on other sites, including Renderosity and Renderotica.   

There are 2 filatoon characters, that I could find, on Renderosity. 8 or 9 at Renderhub. And slightly more at Renderotica. Apparently Filament is very popular among the PAs. Probably because Daz doesn't push it at all. I would have thought the loss of the 3Delight license, they would lean on Filament. So far, not so much.

And even if other websites had a decent filament presence, I've spent a ton of money here because the prices are better here, for me. Sales at those other sites just don't compare.