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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 28,519
    edited February 29

    Okay this is not my work BUT it is of such value to the work flow for some that golly gee, well here it is, a FREE 3D painting program, Quixel Mixer.

    Thanks to WendyLuvsCatz for bringing this to our attention in the Carrara Forum.

    It is a whopping 3.4G download and you need to register an account to run the program. This is because they are hoping that you will then subscribe to a monthly service to obtain content which looks like it can be purchased via the program. Not doing that ... One can import their OWN mesh and paint it :-) Mesh needs to have no overlapping uvs. So for some items such as any of the Genesis clan, one might first scoot them through a modeller and delete all but the head so they can paint on the face. May or not need to collapse the uvset first, haven't test this yet.

    There'll be a bit of a learning curve like there is for any 3D program but looks to be a very interesting program. Hold down the Alt key when using the mouse to rotate the view of the model.

    Once the program is 'registered' then it can be run without being online.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=vL7SVWzpURY&feature=emb_logo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRtXIj6ENT4

    Registering it might be aproblem with me, given that my computer is not connected to the internet. 

    no usb Dlink dongle you can pop in temporaririly if not near router?

    my Win 7 is going offline soon but can plug in if needed

    not an option. I don't have an internet connection at my house. 

    sadly that pretty much rules out most software these days including Poser as all need to phone home occasionally

    a smartphone as a hotspot would do if have the data

    use a prepaid to be safe

    you can buy a cheap android

    years ago when I had no landline I used my 3G Samsung Android tablet as my modem but yeah data was tight

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  • Yeah sadly I saw no way to get past that register box in order to run the program. Once that was done though I went offline and yes the program would run.

    And yes, it does seem to be more of a making textures program as it does not paint like the way 3DBlacks does. However it makes the full set of texture images required for the effects. I'll have to experiment more with it to see all what come of this. Also hoping to get a grip on 3DCoat. It's about time.

  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,360

    Thanks for letting us know about this. I will register but I will not subscribe. I have 3D Coat, Blacksmith3D, and Zbrush and I use all 3. New tools that don't break the bank are always welcome.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 28,519

    from my post in Carrara forum

    some sites you can grab PBR textures from instead of subscribing to Megascans

    https://texturehaven.com

    https://www.poliigon.com/

    https://3dtextures.me

    https://www.cgbookcase.com

    http://www.texturise.club/

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 28,519

    I did mine with my Epic account BTW so have access to all the megascans free

    but of course can only use them in Unreal Engine 4

    but that is free too

    and I often render in UE4 anyway so not a problem yes

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986
    edited March 1

    I did mine with my Epic account BTW so have access to all the megascans free

    but of course can only use them in Unreal Engine 4

    but that is free too

    and I often render in UE4 anyway so not a problem yes

    Somehow I started an Epic account 'cause that's what keeps getting signed in, but there's nothing free about those megascans that I can find. Too bad 'cause their tutorials made it appear to be that much came with the program. Thank you for all those other links for materials :-)

    I spent the evening making something of a third eye. First I tested with ready made mesh [i.e. Genesis'], concept works [more or less] ... good idea if any character bearing a third eye is pretty Vulcan stoic. Can raise an eyebrow or 2 but any extreme forehead motion will misshape the eye. There could be additional 'things that can be done' to prevent that however.

    Here's the handsome dude for tonight. The red is the border mesh for the geograft.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 28,519

    the megascans are only free for UE4

    maybe it knows if you have UE4 installed

    even so, I am probably going to use my own textures anyway once I get around to taking more pictures with my camera and using Materialize to do the PBR maps.

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986

    Ah okay, no I don't have UE4 installed.

    Been taking photos for years too. Sadly my fav filter [kaleidoscope] doesn't work now in the latest PSP which is now 64 bit. It has its own filter which is not as good. Gone are the days of all those lovely free filters that would work in it. Still have it on my old computer though. Hope that works for as long as I want it.

  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,360

    No one give anything away for free. They want people to subscribe so you can milk you for money like everyone else unfortuantly. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 28,519

    No one give anything away for free. They want people to subscribe so you can milk you for money like everyone else unfortuantly. 

    but you don't have toenlightened

    like DAZ studio and the starter essentials yes

  • Eustace ScrubbEustace Scrubb Posts: 2,582

    It seems like a really cool program-- if I can load my own meshes into it.  So far, it doesn't look like I can.  A damn shame, that!  There's only so much one can do with Blacksmith3D's paint program if the material requires multiple sync'd images (Diff/Norm/Disp/Spec/SSS/et c) to achieve its effect, AFAIK.  

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986

    It seems like a really cool program-- if I can load my own meshes into it.  So far, it doesn't look like I can.  A damn shame, that!  There's only so much one can do with Blacksmith3D's paint program if the material requires multiple sync'd images (Diff/Norm/Disp/Spec/SSS/et c) to achieve its effect, AFAIK.  

    Yes we can load our own meshes, back in a bit with an image.

  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,360

    I am naturally cynical so I tend to poke free stuff with a stick to see if it will bite me in the kester. I appreciate the heads up and this seems like a very useful program. It is posible to load your own mesh but you need something else to create the multilayer texure base so you can add effects to your object. I would suggest that new users open a Unreal account to access the material for free. I see this being more usefull for 3d artists who work on props and terrain. If you get a free well made prop but the textures are lacking this could make that prop top notch. I have not tried this yet because of time constraints but I will be giving this a spin. Thanks again for the heads up.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 28,519
    edited March 2

    the meshes cannot have overlapping UV's so most DAZ content excluded

    doesnt see UDIM either by looks

    but something with a single UV works quite well, you can tile and paint layers, and export maps

    I tried Xerr but he has an overlapping UV too sadly

     

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  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986
    edited March 2

    Think ... yes the mesh cannot have overlapping uvsets SO only import the part of the mesh that has non-overlapping uvset :-) [that's why Hexagon was invented although the original makers of Hexagon probably didn't know that lol ...]

    Okay here are a bunch of pictures. For those new to my tutorial stuff, remember, of my followers include some very special people who are very intelligent BUT have some certain challenges in life when it comes to comprehending the written word. So pictures and a fair bit of repetition is sometimes in order to help them. So for those who don't have any such problems, congrats and be patient please.

    [n.b. Apparently exporting the figures from this edition of DS is not such a good idea as it messes up the locations of which uvset goes where, at least according to Hexagon. So FIRST send model over bridge to Hexagon, THEN export out an .obj from there. This is with regards to the Genesis clans.]

    Upon opening the program after the flash screen we have this:

    It is very important to type a name for your new project. The smaller the image, the crappier the end result.

    And here it is in Daz Studio, appearing as it was in Quixel :-)

     

     

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    8 - does this then with no further prompts so have folders already set up.png
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  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986

    One can click on the individual 'layers' and drag them to re-arrange their positions.

    One can paint directly on the model with colours.

    To get textures on the images requires a different approach. One needs 2 layers with the texture image underneath and then from the paint layer above, use the eraser brush.

    If anybody figures out how to paint texture images to the model directly please keep us informed ;-) tia

    By shooting the Genesis figures over the bridge to Hexagon they arrive in one piece with all the surfaces intact. One can select all but the desired surface and delete that mesh. Then export out the mesh with the non-overlapping surface. Import that into Quixel and have some fun. If one uses a ready made material and clicks on the square one can load their own image ... which will probably be tiled a lot. With the appropriate layer selected, on the right side if there be a word 'placement' - click on that for options to appear. One is for tiling.

    For some of the mask options, white is full strength and black is zippo.

    Brush step set to '1' has less drag {lagginess}.

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 28,519

    you can sort of paint texture images to the model by masking

    ie revealing the one underneath with an alpha brush which can be a greyscale image

    I cannot find a way to polypaint one though with an RGB image brush like I do in Carrara and Zbrush

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986

    Okay that's all I've found so far too. I'm also finding that certain features of one function would be handy for other functions but the options are not there, so that's a bit frustrating. I checked their online material options [through the program] and there is NOTHING for people skins so there's a gap that needs filling.

    The good news with their paint is it doesn't 'run down the sides' like 3DBlack's did/does [my copy is very old now].

  • How's Mixer with generating normal maps with DAZ content?

    I remember seeing an option for that, but I forgot where.

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986

    How's Mixer with generating normal maps with DAZ content?

    I remember seeing an option for that, but I forgot where.

    It will generate the full spectrum of texture images including normals. For the material there is a long list of what is, or is not, available and a check box to place a tick in for inclusion on exports.

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986

    And any $ software not sold at Daz3D and comes with a statement {on their page} that says this: "The preview version has many rough edges and the experience may be frustrating." is NOT something I'm interested in, but thank you for trying.

    Plugging the free Quixel for texturing models for use in Daz Studio because this is my tutorial thread ;-)

     

     

     

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986
    edited March 3

    All right, preparing the Genesis clans for import into Quixel.

    First and for this project VERY important .... do not simply export out an obj to be imported into Hexagon. There is a communication issue. Here illustrated is one example:

    Open D/S and load one of the figures. Now it appears that transfers over the bridge do have the uvset collapsed, this is good. IF it doesn't then one would have to apply a collapsed uvset [which hopefully we've all made following a previous tutorial].

    Concept is to transfer figure to Hexagon using the bridge, in Hexagon deleting all but the desired Shading Domains and then exporting out one .obj file. Clear scene, return to D/S and send the figure over the bridge again and repeat selecting another shading domain or two, etc. NO overlapping shading domains. When done with the one figure, close Hexagon and return to D/S. Clear the scene and load in the next figure. Repeat exercise. End result if doing this for Genesis 8 would be to have at least 8 .obj files ready to be imported into Quixel.

     

     

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  • Eustace ScrubbEustace Scrubb Posts: 2,582
    edited March 3

    One can click on the individual 'layers' and drag them to re-arrange their positions.

    One can paint directly on the model with colours.

    To get textures on the images requires a different approach. One needs 2 layers with the texture image underneath and then from the paint layer above, use the eraser brush.

    If anybody figures out how to paint texture images to the model directly please keep us informed ;-) tia

    By shooting the Genesis figures over the bridge to Hexagon they arrive in one piece with all the surfaces intact. One can select all but the desired surface and delete that mesh. Then export out the mesh with the non-overlapping surface. Import that into Quixel and have some fun. If one uses a ready made material and clicks on the square one can load their own image ... which will probably be tiled a lot. With the appropriate layer selected, on the right side if there be a word 'placement' - click on that for options to appear. One is for tiling.

    For some of the mask options, white is full strength and black is zippo.

    Brush step set to '1' has less drag {lagginess}.

    Ghastly has a Genesis1 UV set that doesn't overlap at all.  https://sharecg.com/v/70652/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Genesis-1-Single-UV-Maps-and-Utility-Paint-Morph

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  • Silver DolphinSilver Dolphin Posts: 1,360

    Oooh, thank you this is great idea for Genesis 1. I was just going to use as a prop texture tool.

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986
    edited March 4

    Yes thank you for that idea, using one uvmap. Took it a step further and figured let's make use of that seldom mentioned tool, the Texture Atlas.

    With the Texture Atlas one can make 'one uvmap' for any of the Genesis figures including 3 and 8 BUT some tweaking is required to help TA do its task. The newer figures are using a different type of uvmap so these must be collapsed.

    The end result could be very useful for decorating background figures. With a little more work, they could be further edited to full sized templates. At any rate here goes the picture show ....

     

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  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986
    edited March 4

    One needs to apply the basic 3Delight shader preset to the figures. Holding down Ctrl while doing that will enable the popup with the option to keep the textures. One also needs to apply the collapsed uvset.

     

     

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  • Eustace ScrubbEustace Scrubb Posts: 2,582

    You're welcome:  as it happens, my current texture need is for Genesis1, so I'm interested in this project too.

    think I have Texture Atlas, but never made use of it yet...

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986
    edited March 5

    You're welcome:  as it happens, my current texture need is for Genesis1, so I'm interested in this project too.

    think I have Texture Atlas, but never made use of it yet...

    We all have Texture Atlas ;-)  I'm using the workspace City Limits and it shows on the right sidebar.

    For Genesis 1 and 2 we need not be concerned about collapsing the uvsets.

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  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986
    edited March 7

    I've read here and there of some having troubles getting D/S to load textures on their objects. So tip for this week is Remember to use "one_word" and no funny characters in the titles at least for the .mtl file ... and inside the .obj file, make sure that the reference in there also has no spaces or funny characters ;-)

    History lesson {should be great for some stories}

    Take a "paradise" and have in it a couple of people who will never die. Their bodies rejuvenate and their souls live forever. One "law" ... it was SO simple. Do NOT eat the apple. Why? Nobody asked back then apparently. Problem, many people who eat fruit tend to eat the seeds. Apple seeds are known to contain POISON. And so was introducted one heck of a problem in "paradise" ... souls that exist forever BUT their bodies die. Once introduced into the system, the poison does NOT go away. Moral of this story, if you have a question ask because I no not normally practice mind reading. Think about that for awhile ;-)

    Free Rendered image of an Apple. {public domain}

    Apple .obj is/was free over at Turbosquid. Light Preset used is from 'the key' that is available in today's sale. {I turned off the floor and the draw dome -- it's a very nice set of light presets}

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  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 2,986
    edited March 9

    Making Morphs of Clothing Simulations is easy.

    Have Hexagon installed and the D/S bridge options set to Advanced.

    Load figure and clothing, pose figure somewhere down the Timeline, select the DForce clothing and run the Simulation.

    Select the clothing and shoot it over the bridge to Hexagon. In D/S 'clear the simulation' ONLY. In Hexagon select the clothing and send it back over the bridge to D/S. Make the morph :-)

    Polish the morph dial, zero and Save the New Morph.

     

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