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Look at My Hair Vs Garibaldi

3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970
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Since these are both really close in price right now due to the "A day in the life of a Diva" sale, can you all tell me which of these is a better product?

Both the Look at My Hair system and the Garibaldi Express Hair system look great in the promo renders - what's the difference between the two and which do you recommend? 

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  • TottallouTottallou Posts: 555

    I would go with LAMH as that one is always being updated & developed & the PA has an active  thread here:

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/1461786/#Comment_1461786

    If you read through that you will get a better feel for the product - I have it but have yet to use it other than for loading presets that come with content but I will do more when (or if) I get time :)

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,740

    I use both. And I like both lol. There are some differences though. If you really like AM's animals etc then LAMH is probably your best bet because many of the animals (Not just his but the big cat etc) have LAMH presets  There is an active Garibaldi Hair thread as well.  I would give each one a quick read through, it might help you make a decision. http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/17751/garibaldi-express-hair-and-fur-plugin-commercial#latest

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479

    Sonja, I'm thinking about getting Garibaldi. I think about getting it every time I see it on sale! Anyway, I already have LAMH, and it crashes almost every time I try to use it. I suspect my computer is not quite robust enough. With your experience using both, do you think I would have the same problem with Garibaldi?

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,308

    I suspect it's a crap shoot as to whether a Plugin will run on a given rig without problems or turn into a crash-o-matic. The reports in the threads are all over the map.

  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995

    I am biased, but if you are looking to to Iray rendering, then LAMH is pretty much your only option.  The LAMH fiberhair allows rendering of the presets without the HUGE size blowup of OBJ export that will keep many renders from happening.

    Kendall

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Kendall Sears said:

    I am biased, but if you are looking to to Iray rendering, then LAMH is pretty much your only option.  The LAMH fiberhair allows rendering of the presets without the HUGE size blowup of OBJ export that will keep many renders from happening.

    Kendall

    In my case, it's not a "one or the other" purchase. I'm pretty confident the issues I'm having trying to create hair in LAMH will go away when I upgrade my computer. (Sadly, no time soon...) And I do use it with presets. For example, I recently picked up the Mouse for Genesis and I was able to open the presets in LAMH and make minor changes without any problems, (and rendered just fine in Iray!) But I do like the look of the hair in the promos for Garibaldi, too. However, even at half off, it's a lot to spend if I can't really use it until said computer upgrade...

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533

    I had problems with LAMH for ages, but it doesn't seem to crash anymore I haven't changed my computer and its not a particularly robust system.

    I have bought the LAMH full pluging but struggle with creating in it I just can't seem to figure it out. Garibaldi I find easy and straightforward to use, but there is no doubt that LAMH has better support and the ability to render in Iray pretty easily is a large +.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970

    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm still quite torn on this but you all have given me more to think about that might help make my decision easier.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,845
    ...I have Garibaldi as I find it tends to work best for really fine hair. However, with recent advances in the software (Iray and G3) it does seem more limited. It is not just the .obj issue with Iray, but apparently it doesn't play well with G3 due to changes in mapping from the older figures. There is more detail about this, as well as a workaround, on the Garibaldi thread.
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970
    kyoto kid said:
    ...I have Garibaldi as I find it tends to work best for really fine hair. However, with recent advances in the software (Iray and G3) it does seem more limited. It is not just the .obj issue with Iray, but apparently it doesn't play well with G3 due to changes in mapping from the older figures. There is more detail about this, as well as a workaround, on the Garibaldi thread.

    Hmm I'm mainly trying to switch over to G3, so the issue with G3 wouldn't be fun to deal with. I think I might have to wait on this and just wait until they comeout with something that looks a bit more natural on humans. The fur and hair looks great on the animals but looks, to me, a little unnatural on humans. Since I don't have any animals to render with, I guess it wouldn't be prudent to purchase one of these at this time. I'm still waiting for a product to give photorealistic hair. 

    In the mean time I guess I'll be using the current hair products that are out and maybe start looking for a shader to make them look better. Perhaps one of these products:

    http://www.daz3d.com/uht-hair-shaders-for-iray

    http://www.daz3d.com/uht2-ultimate-color

    http://www.daz3d.com/mec4d-unshaven-2-for-genesis-2-male-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/hdri-optimized-skin-hair-shaders

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,845
    ...the UHT shaders are definitely a worthwhile purchase. The only issue is older hair content that uses layerd transmaps and/or strip based textures can still look "off' in Iray compared to other elements in the scene. What I've seen of fibremesh hair in Iray looks more concincing. If I were not on so restricted an income, I would pick up LAMH.
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970
    kyoto kid said:
    ...the UHT shaders are definitely a worthwhile purchase. The only issue is older hair content that uses layerd transmaps and/or strip based textures can still look "off' in Iray compared to other elements in the scene. What I've seen of fibremesh hair in Iray looks more concincing. If I were not on so restricted an income, I would pick up LAMH.

    Thank you, kyoto! Would you recommend UHT or UHT2? 

     

    I know what you mean about the restricted income. If I had the funds I'd just try out a both of them and keep which I think looks best in my renders and return the other. lol But I have to be really careful about what I purchase due to tight budget. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,845
    ...UHT2 as it has more options.
  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,740
    edited August 2016
    L'Adair said:

    Sonja, I'm thinking about getting Garibaldi. I think about getting it every time I see it on sale! Anyway, I already have LAMH, and it crashes almost every time I try to use it. I suspect my computer is not quite robust enough. With your experience using both, do you think I would have the same problem with Garibaldi?

    I get less crashing with Garibaldi at the moment.  I have a good computer, don't usually have an issue with anything but for some reason since the last update LAMH has been crashing for me like crazy. (take this with a grain of salt, I may just have been doing something wrong, as I am still learning and I have tendency to try and go to fast which bogs down even my machine)  So I would say yes, you would probably have a better rate of not crashing with Garibaldi if you already have issues with LAMH. 

    I will say I really like having both, it gives me lots of options.  Of course that means learnign two different systems as well but they both bring different things to the table..

    And you would get another 13% off today...

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,740
    divamakeup said:
    kyoto kid said:
    ...the UHT shaders are definitely a worthwhile purchase. The only issue is older hair content that uses layerd transmaps and/or strip based textures can still look "off' in Iray compared to other elements in the scene. What I've seen of fibremesh hair in Iray looks more concincing. If I were not on so restricted an income, I would pick up LAMH.

    Thank you, kyoto! Would you recommend UHT or UHT2? 

     

    I know what you mean about the restricted income. If I had the funds I'd just try out a both of them and keep which I think looks best in my renders and return the other. lol But I have to be really careful about what I purchase due to tight budget. 

    I would go with UHT2 if you have to pick one for sure.  Soooo many things you can do with this one.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,740

    Just saw the four you were looking at and I have to say they are all great choices.  But if I absolutely absolutely have to pick one it would UHT2.  I have three of the four you listed and the fourth is on my wishlist lol.  They are all great products.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,740
    Kendall Sears said:

    I am biased, but if you are looking to to Iray rendering, then LAMH is pretty much your only option.  The LAMH fiberhair allows rendering of the presets without the HUGE size blowup of OBJ export that will keep many renders from happening.

    Kendall

    And this is true as well.  They are both good programs. I couldn't make up my mind which is how I ended up with both.  Like I said each has its strengths and weakness's, having both allows me to broaden what I can do.

  • Subtropic PixelSubtropic Pixel Posts: 2,388

    I am seriously considing a purchase of LAMH because:

    1. Iray without "workarounds"

    2. Genesis 3 without "workarounds"

    3.  Presets available for many products

    I would love to get both LAMH and Garibaldi, but I'm looking for all my software and plugins to be getting regular updates and not requiring me to swing from trapeze or perform other major acrobatics.  I'll reconsider Garibaldi after it is updated to do at least items 1 and 2 above.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970

    Great! Thanks, guys! You all have been very helpful! :)

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Ice Dragon Art said:
    L'Adair said:

    Sonja, I'm thinking about getting Garibaldi. I think about getting it every time I see it on sale! Anyway, I already have LAMH, and it crashes almost every time I try to use it. I suspect my computer is not quite robust enough. With your experience using both, do you think I would have the same problem with Garibaldi?

    I get less crashing with Garibaldi at the moment.  I have a good computer, don't usually have an issue with anything but for some reason since the last update LAMH has been crashing for me like crazy. (take this with a grain of salt, I may just have been doing something wrong, as I am still learning and I have tendency to try and go to fast which bogs down even my machine)  So I would say yes, you would probably have a better rate of not crashing with Garibaldi if you already have issues with LAMH. 

    I will say I really like having both, it gives me lots of options.  Of course that means learnign two different systems as well but they both bring different things to the table..

    And you would get another 13% off today...

    I got busy and forgot to buy a gift card, or anything else. So of course, Saturday was the last day of the daily increased discount...
    laugh

    (Not really a bad thing. I should be saving my money for next month...!)

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970
    L'Adair said:
    Ice Dragon Art said:
    L'Adair said:

    Sonja, I'm thinking about getting Garibaldi. I think about getting it every time I see it on sale! Anyway, I already have LAMH, and it crashes almost every time I try to use it. I suspect my computer is not quite robust enough. With your experience using both, do you think I would have the same problem with Garibaldi?

    I get less crashing with Garibaldi at the moment.  I have a good computer, don't usually have an issue with anything but for some reason since the last update LAMH has been crashing for me like crazy. (take this with a grain of salt, I may just have been doing something wrong, as I am still learning and I have tendency to try and go to fast which bogs down even my machine)  So I would say yes, you would probably have a better rate of not crashing with Garibaldi if you already have issues with LAMH. 

    I will say I really like having both, it gives me lots of options.  Of course that means learnign two different systems as well but they both bring different things to the table..

    And you would get another 13% off today...

     

    (Not really a bad thing. I should be saving my money for next month...!)

    Yeah, that's how I'm looking at it too. While it would have been nice to get a discounted gift card, I figure there is always another sale. 

     

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited August 2016

    Garibaldi hasn't been updated, so I can't recommend it. Except perhaps if you have no intentions of moving to G3.

    LAMH, has a very active thread, and the developers are active and helpful within that thread; that is not a bonus as customer support is not an option but an essential - at least that's my take on it.

    I don't use either really, but keep intending to try LAMH, but I seem to recall I was having issues upgrading to the latest version last time I checked it out; some months ago.

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  • Subtropic PixelSubtropic Pixel Posts: 2,388
    nicstt said:

    Garibaldi hasn't been updated, so I can't recommend it. Except perhaps if you have no intentions of moving to G3.

    LAMH, has a very active thread, and the developers are active and helpful within that thread; that is not a bonus as customer support is not an option but an essential - at least that's my take on it.

    I don't use either really, but keep intending to try LAMH, but I seem to recall I was having issues upgrading to the latest version last time I checked it out; some months ago.

    The passage highlighted above is critical for me too, and I think we should hold not only the PAs responsible for this, but also DAZ itself, especially for its old products that haven't been actively maintained for 3-5 years or more. 

    If I could shout my signature from the mountaintops and actually be heard, I would.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    Garibaldi looks like it might be easier to make hair styles, but LAMH is way nicer for using in Iray, there are lots of LAMH presets, and the development for it seems muuuch more active.

     

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