You've been heard. Response re: 4.9 and Encryption
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Yep. I imagine that they're trying to hide the thread without anyone noticing. Pretty underhanded - they could atleast be upfront and admit that they're shutting it down.
Well, theres one way to test that... brb
It's well in keeping with the theme of things though~
There - if my new thread gets removed, then we know this is deliberate subterfuge
Only another 46 pages of comments were needed before this thread would have been locked anyway
I don't care that they're closing the thread. I care about the sneaky way they're potentially going about it.
speculation
No you are spectacular Wendy that's no speculation Lol!
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Honnestly I really doubt DAZ or even moderators have any way to control that date, it's most probably a feature of the forums. My guess is that the thread is simply too big now. Pages have more posts than in the previous forums, so we might need to "cut" the threads earlier to kee them working properly
The "Where in the World has the Forum Gremlin gone Now? Complaint Thread" has 2.8k posts and 92 pages and is still updating. This thread has 1.6k posts and 54 pages and the timer has stopped updating.
The forum gremlin thread has over 1200 more posts soooo probably not.
And a long time ago in the old forums the FOOLs thread had 10000 posts and was still working fine (that was before the "100 pages" rule), but some shorter threads had problems. This thread probably has a lot of moderated posts, and that might have broken something.
Of course it's also possible that there's a feature in the forum software to "bury" threads, I don't know what tools the moderators have.
I assume the descrepancy is due to moderated posts. For example, if they are hidden instead of deleted that could affect the thread summary information. Or one or more posts were moderated away between when you saw that list and loaded the thread. Though I would bet more on it being due to the sum total of moderated posts since the beginning of this thread. I know the old old (old?) forums would even get the page count wrong if there were enough moederated posts to thow to account for a page (so e.g. it would say the last page was 9 but there would be only 8 pages in the thread). IIRC, I think another thread was merged into this one at some point, and that could also confuse things (or perhaps the combination or merging and deleting). Maybe RIchard could chime in on how this forum handles it. Anyway, I would not read it anything beyond technical issues of the forum software due to either moderating posts, merging threadds, or a combination of both.
Back on topic.
Considering all the negative feeling from an unknown number of customers over how this whole 4.9 rollout has been handled, I don't really suspect this was deliberate.
This research paper http://www.cse.wustl.edu/~jain/cse571-11/ftp/drm/ states the following: "Similar to all existing security problems, designing DRM systems that revolve around cryptography will remain a "white hat vs black hat" game." This made me speculate if each new release of Daz will have new cryptography built into the DRM; well, presuming it's broken, then it either needs to be scrapped or constantly updated.
I vote the former: scrapped. :)
But then how can we still add new posts here if its reached its limit? Why is the timer the only thing affected?
Yeah, that is the interesting question. Maybe the number of moderated/hidden posts has reached some threshold that breaks the timestamp update. Like if the last post moderated was supposed to kick this over to a new page, and it's stuck looking at that timestamp? Edit: Or perhaps a more obvious one -- we need more new posts than the sum total of the moderated ones before the timestamp is updated.
Date is not retrieved or saved with the same function as the other fields, and the one which handles the date has a bug?
(Seriously, that's typically the kind of bugs we have in one of the apps I've been working on recently. Granted, the contractors who coded the app are very, very bad, but still ^^)
Nice one. Richard discovered the problem and reinstated the timer.
Thanks Richard!
Ditto on that, thanks Richard!
I quite agree. Take the current Canoe freebie. It is available via Connect only. I won't use Connect because of my custom file system, so this is one item I won't be taking even for free.
The canoe is defintely more tempting than the one I passed up on last week. I wish DAZ would put a "lock" symbol on it in DS so I could easily tell if something is encrypted. I might be inclined to take the freebies, but if I was about to start a big project or one with a tight deadline, I would want to exlcude anything encrypted to reduce risk to the project.
Err. The Canoe wasn't encrypted, at least I remember looking to make sure; guess I'll return it then, seeing as one of us made a mistake. Ticket raised.
That isn't, as I understand it, fully correct - the code for the poison pill was developed very early as it was needed to test the process even before it was integrated into DS (to verify the conversion to and from encrypted form), and has been kept up-to-date since. Of course it may not be poilished to a form that regular users would want to handle, and that may be what Steve meant, but the essential code is written.
Sorry, RIchard. I should have been clearer - the legal side of it has not been implemented and it should have been before the first encrypted prodcut was released. Edit: the only relevance to if the code is there is if they have to have a new release or not before they can implement the legal stuff. Edit2: It doesn't change that is was unprofessional to release encrypted products before the legal stuff was in place.
Thanks for the heads-up about the canoes. Really ticks me off, but at least I don't have to submit another ticket.
Except, pretty much every EULA everywhere has a clause in it someplace that says that they can do this, making it morally dubious, yet perfectly legal. EULA's really do nothing for the user and everything for the company. There have even been cases where a EULA (as a joke) have included clauses where they own your soul.
Status and cause of this thread being sunk:
I wanted to let you all know how this thread got "Sunk" this morning (which is to say that it no longer pops to the top when it's updated).
Overnight we applied some updates to the Forum software we run. The update failed, and we ended up having to disable all users and threads for a few minutes to again apply the updates. Unfortuantely, when this was done, and things got turned back on, any threads or users that were in the middle of being saved when we turned things back to normal states didn't get turned back to normal states. This and a few other threads had several flags set on them (including the "sink" flag).
When I woke to this sh!t storm this morning I was upset as well, and wanting to know why someone would have sunk the thread and caused such a commotion.
I know, it must seem all too convinient, and I cannot say that if I were in your shoes that I would take the explanation with anything buty a healthy dose of skepticism.
But, there it is. That's what happened. I know many of you won't believe the answer, but I did want to share it regardless.