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Genesis Meets Poser - Introducing DSON Importer for Poser
Posted: 13 October 2012 01:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 661 ]
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sedor - 13 October 2012 12:07 PM
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Just out of curiosity, but can Poser users now save in the DSON file format with this or is it just an importer ?

This tool allows you to use Genesis (and Genesis-Content) inside Poser, you can’t save with it in the DSON file format.

In that case this is yet another no brainer by DAZ, I’ve just seen a post over at Rendo where someone done with Genesis what they normally do with other figures, ie load the figure, dial up a morph, apply a texture, load clothing and hair, and save it back to the figure library, 400 MB of their disk space vanished doing that, it wont take long to fill a 1TB drive doing that.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 01:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 662 ]
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Alisa Uh-Lisa - 13 October 2012 12:56 PM
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andolaurina - 13 October 2012 12:01 PM

That’s good news on the Legacy files. smile

So…once I’ve loaded the content, I noticed that I have a bunch of stuff in a Poser runtime and other DS folders outside of that.  Poser only looks at that Runtime. 

Can I move these Genesis files around in the Poser runtime without breaking anything?  In a nutshell, the folders are poorly organized/named and need to be adjusted.  I do this all the time with Poser content (excluding geometries, pmds, textures, etc.) but I’m not sure if I can rename a folder of Genesis content without breaking everything. 

Help!

Anybody know the answer to this? Perhaps an admin? wink

The Data folder must not be moved - it has the geometry and morphs, if it can’t be found the content won’t load. I’m not sure which, if any, of the other non-Runtime folders are needed - you could always try moving them to a safe place, then loading the content.

I also want to know about this.  I do not use the typical Poser runtime structure.  For example, for James for M5, for my use, the Poser Companion files tjhat are supposed to go under materials and pose would go under

Runtime:Libraries:Characters:!People:Genesis:M5 James (I’d have the morphs and mats in the same folder or in a folder I create below that for them).

In DS, I am using the smart content for any DS4 stuff that comes with it, so I leave those where they are originally, but that’s not my process in Poser.  Since I have to actually FIND each file in my Poser Runtime, I want it to be somewhere that actually makes sense to me.

The concern is that in the Poser companion Support files, the .dsx file specifically points to the Runtime structure that is in the poser Companion files.  But I’m not sure what this file actually does in Poser.

I haven’t yet installed the DSON converter so haven’t tried this all yet…just my thoughts right now

The Poser support files that are installed into folders in the normal Poser runtime/libray/character etc folders, like the files for launching Genesis in Poser, can be moved around within the runtime just like any Poser files within the runtime except that (i) you must keep the sets together, so the Genesis.cr2 Genesis.duf Genesis.png and Genesis.py must be kept together, and (ii) they must stay in the correct Poser library folder for the Poser file filetype in the set. So you could move that lot out of runtime:libraries:Character:DAZ People and into Character:!People:Genesis or somesuch.

the data folder alongside the runtime needs to stay there, and most of the files inside need to stay where they are, like the .obj files in the Poser geometry folder. I would realy leave the data folder alone unless/until you have a very good understanding of the way DSON support asset files work.

If you don’t have DS and no wish to use it, then I’m pretty sure you can delete all the People etc folders that were installed by the Genesis installers in the same folder as the runtime and data folder. Those are simply the content library folders for DS users that would show up in and be clicked on by users in the DS library. e.g. In that people/genisis folder is the genesis.duf file that a DS user would be clicking on in DS to load Genesis. You don’t need those, as the files in the runtime;libraries:character etc folders fill those functions for Poser users. So you could delete them, but be careful in case some Poser product put a folder with the same name there.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 01:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 663 ]
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Bejaymac - 13 October 2012 01:24 PM
sedor - 13 October 2012 12:07 PM
Bejaymac - 13 October 2012 12:02 PM

Just out of curiosity, but can Poser users now save in the DSON file format with this or is it just an importer ?

This tool allows you to use Genesis (and Genesis-Content) inside Poser, you can’t save with it in the DSON file format.

In that case this is yet another no brainer by DAZ, I’ve just seen a post over at Rendo where someone done with Genesis what they normally do with other figures, ie load the figure, dial up a morph, apply a texture, load clothing and hair, and save it back to the figure library, 400 MB of their disk space vanished doing that, it wont take long to fill a 1TB drive doing that.

I don’t think it’s quite that severe. I just saved a pz2 scene with 2 M5s (subdivided) a back drop and two underwear and that file is 52mb. The render I rendered in Poser with one M5 and bluebird3d’s “A bright loft” only took 33. Poser doesn’t support DSON natively so it can’t save the scene in that format, so you can’t drop that in DAZ’s lap. wink

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Posted: 13 October 2012 01:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 664 ]
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Bejaymac - 13 October 2012 01:24 PM
sedor - 13 October 2012 12:07 PM
Bejaymac - 13 October 2012 12:02 PM

Just out of curiosity, but can Poser users now save in the DSON file format with this or is it just an importer ?

This tool allows you to use Genesis (and Genesis-Content) inside Poser, you can’t save with it in the DSON file format.

In that case this is yet another no brainer by DAZ, I’ve just seen a post over at Rendo where someone done with Genesis what they normally do with other figures, ie load the figure, dial up a morph, apply a texture, load clothing and hair, and save it back to the figure library, 400 MB of their disk space vanished doing that, it wont take long to fill a 1TB drive doing that.

They made a simple error.

To save, turn subdivision off before saving, so you are saving a figure of under 20000 polys. They saved the figure with subdivision turned right up, so were saving a figure with a LOT of polys.

Basic rule, turn subdivision off while setting up the scene and while saving, Turn subdivision on when rendering. And note that for background figures where the subdivision won’t be noticeable, leave it off when rendering too so your background figures are just 19000 polys, not the 60000plus of V4 or M4.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 01:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 665 ]
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Anybody from DAZ reading this:

While cooperating with SmithMicro, please ask them to produce the universal pose data file for Genesis.

Was a time I could have made it myself in PuppetMasterBiped, which had an interface for users to set up new figures. But after buying out PMB, SmithMicro put a cutdown version in Poser as Universal Pose, with no interface for users to set up figures themselves, and then refused to update the full PMB to work in Poser 9/Pro 2012. (And that is ‘refused’ as in I actually asked them, and they actually said explicitly that they would not update PMB to the new python.) As I can’t load Genesis into poser 8 where I have a working PMB, and I can’t run PMB in Poser Pro 2012, I can’t make a PMB/Universal Pose data file myself. So as SM have removed the ability of users to make data files for Universal Pose themselves, they really owe it to Poser users to produce Universal Pose data files for any and all new figures in a timely fashion as they come out.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 666 ]
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Excellent news! QUESTION: What about the SubD dragon in Poser?

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Posted: 13 October 2012 01:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 667 ]
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Eric Walters - 13 October 2012 01:48 PM

Excellent news! QUESTION: What about the SubD dragon in Poser?

Since the DSON Importer provides Catmull-Clark subD, I’d imagine the SubDragon would work fine in Poser.  However, I don’t own P9 or PP2012 so I can’t verify this.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 01:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 668 ]
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Posted: 13 October 2012 02:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 669 ]
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Eric Walters - 13 October 2012 01:48 PM

Excellent news! QUESTION: What about the SubD dragon in Poser?

The SubD dragon LE which I found in my figures library looks alright, but that’s just me. He does seem to have subdivision.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 02:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 670 ]
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Alisa Uh-Lisa - 13 October 2012 12:56 PM
Richard Haseltine - 13 October 2012 12:27 PM
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andolaurina - 13 October 2012 12:01 PM

That’s good news on the Legacy files. smile

So…once I’ve loaded the content, I noticed that I have a bunch of stuff in a Poser runtime and other DS folders outside of that.  Poser only looks at that Runtime. 

Can I move these Genesis files around in the Poser runtime without breaking anything?  In a nutshell, the folders are poorly organized/named and need to be adjusted.  I do this all the time with Poser content (excluding geometries, pmds, textures, etc.) but I’m not sure if I can rename a folder of Genesis content without breaking everything. 

Help!

Anybody know the answer to this? Perhaps an admin? wink

The Data folder must not be moved - it has the geometry and morphs, if it can’t be found the content won’t load. I’m not sure which, if any, of the other non-Runtime folders are needed - you could always try moving them to a safe place, then loading the content.

I also want to know about this.  I do not use the typical Poser runtime structure.  For example, for James for M5, for my use, the Poser Companion files tjhat are supposed to go under materials and pose would go under

Runtime:Libraries:Characters:!People:Genesis:M5 James (I’d have the morphs and mats in the same folder or in a folder I create below that for them).

In DS, I am using the smart content for any DS4 stuff that comes with it, so I leave those where they are originally, but that’s not my process in Poser.  Since I have to actually FIND each file in my Poser Runtime, I want it to be somewhere that actually makes sense to me.

The concern is that in the Poser companion Support files, the .dsx file specifically points to the Runtime structure that is in the poser Companion files.  But I’m not sure what this file actually does in Poser.

I haven’t yet installed the DSON converter so haven’t tried this all yet…just my thoughts right now

The Poser support files that are installed into folders in the normal Poser runtime/libray/character etc folders, like the files for launching Genesis in Poser, can be moved around within the runtime just like any Poser files within the runtime except that (i) you must keep the sets together, so the Genesis.cr2 Genesis.duf Genesis.png and Genesis.py must be kept together, and (ii) they must stay in the correct Poser library folder for the Poser file filetype in the set. So you could move that lot out of runtime:libraries:Character:DAZ People and into Character:!People:Genesis or somesuch.

the data folder alongside the runtime needs to stay there, and most of the files inside need to stay where they are, like the .obj files in the Poser geometry folder. I would realy leave the data folder alone unless/until you have a very good understanding of the way DSON support asset files work.

If you don’t have DS and no wish to use it, then I’m pretty sure you can delete all the People etc folders that were installed by the Genesis installers in the same folder as the runtime and data folder. Those are simply the content library folders for DS users that would show up in and be clicked on by users in the DS library. e.g. In that people/genisis folder is the genesis.duf file that a DS user would be clicking on in DS to load Genesis. You don’t need those, as the files in the runtime;libraries:character etc folders fill those functions for Poser users. So you could delete them, but be careful in case some Poser product put a folder with the same name there.

Thanks, what you’re saying makes sense.

I do use DS (more than Poser now) and don’t ever move the data files.  smile  I have occasionally moved the files under the “people” folder, for example, and then corrected the .dsx file in Runtime/Support to reflect the new locations.

It’s that .dsx file that confuses me for the Poser companion files.  I believe that file tells DS to show things in Smart Content, but what does the .dsx file in Poser do, if anything….?

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Posted: 13 October 2012 02:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 671 ]
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Alisa Uh-Lisa - 13 October 2012 02:06 PM

I do use DS (more than Poser now) and don’t ever move the data files.  smile  I have occasionally moved the files under the “people” folder, for example, and then corrected the .dsx file in Runtime/Support to reflect the new locations.

It’s that .dsx file that confuses me for the Poser companion files.  I believe that file tells DS to show things in Smart Content, but what does the .dsx file in Poser do, if anything….?

Nothing in Poser. It’s a file with the DS Metadata for the products in DS’s content database. Poser now has metadata too, but it’s in .xmp files alongside the cr2, pz2 or whatever poser file in the Poser library folders. DAZ installers puts the .dsx file inside the support directory in a mapped runtime, but that’s just like it still puts the textures in the textures folder inside the runtime. It’s not actually for Poser, just DS.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 02:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 672 ]
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Alisa Uh-Lisa - 13 October 2012 02:06 PM

I do use DS (more than Poser now) and don’t ever move the data files.  smile  I have occasionally moved the files under the “people” folder, for example, and then corrected the .dsx file in Runtime/Support to reflect the new locations.

It’s that .dsx file that confuses me for the Poser companion files.  I believe that file tells DS to show things in Smart Content, but what does the .dsx file in Poser do, if anything….?

Nothing in Poser. It’s a file with the DS Metadata for the products in DS’s content database. Poser now has metadata too, but it’s in .xmp files alongside the cr2, pz2 or whatever poser file in the Poser library folders. DAZ installers puts the .dsx file inside the support directory in a mapped runtime, but that’s just like it still puts the textures in the textures folder inside the runtime. It’s not actually for Poser, just DS.

I should probably add:

The thing is, if you have and use DS as well as Poser, you’ve probably got the runtime you’ve put the Poser support files in mapped as one of your Poser format directories in the content library.

If you have, you will find that if you go to that Poser runtime Figures:DAZ People in DS, you will see that Genesis.Cr2 you click on to load Genesis in Poser. And if in DS you click on the Genesis.Cr2, then Genesis loads in DS (because there’s an accompanying .duf in the Poser folder along with the cr2, png and .py, so DS executes the .duf and Genesis loads just like it would if you clicked on the .duf in your normal My Library/People/Genesis folder, or wherever you may have moved it in your content library).

So, because in DS you can load the products by going to the Poser runtime and clicking on the Poser support files, there’s a .dsx file in the runtime/support so that in DS the smart content knows about the things that can be launched from the Poser runtime.

You probably have the normal Genesis.duf in My Library/People/Genesis, so there’s the normal .dsx file with that metadata so the Content DB knows about that. But now there’s the Genesis.duf alongside the Genesis.cr2 in the Poser runtime, there’s a .dsx file so the content DB knows about that too.

Me, I don’t use the DS content DB, so all those .dsx files are nothing to me. For you, if you move DAZ content round in your My Library you will be editing the .dsx files to reflect that (although you don’t have to hand edit them - the system allows for you moving things). If you move the Poser companion files around in the runtime, the state of that .dsx file means nothing to Poser, so from a Poser pov you can ignore it. But if you want your Content db to keep up-to-date for showing the Poser companion files (which can be used to load things in DS) in DS, then you should treat them the same as the .dsx files for the DAZ format content in My Library.

I’m very muzzy headed, so not quite sure if I explained that clearly enough. hope so.

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Posted: 13 October 2012 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 673 ]
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digitell - 11 October 2012 05:02 PM

Well I give up lol..I have installed and uninstalled and did everything instructed to do but the figure will not show up in my work space..*sigh* :(..
Just was not meant to be I guess..

Not sure if you downloaded the latest version of SR3 from Smith Micro - it is SR 3.1 for Poser. It took me from totally frustrated to using Genesis in Poser!

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Posted: 13 October 2012 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 674 ]
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Just a quick question about the store. There are items I have for Genesis - like the Genesis Bikini. When I click on this item in my itemized order history and it goes to the downloadable files area, I do NOT see any DSON files. This is true for many items I have that are listed in the DSON ALL category (for sale). Do I have to re-buy for the DSON functionality to ‘kick in’ (I sure hope not!)? Or is it just a matter of being patient and waiting till the existing (itemized order history) files are updated for DSON?

Thanks!

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Posted: 13 October 2012 03:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 675 ]
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miketee - 13 October 2012 03:00 PM

Just a quick question about the store. There are items I have for Genesis - like the Genesis Bikini. When I click on this item in my itemized order history and it goes to the downloadable files area, I do NOT see any DSON files. This is true for many items I have that are listed in the DSON ALL category (for sale). Do I have to re-buy for the DSON functionality to ‘kick in’ (I sure hope not!)? Or is it just a matter of being patient and waiting till the existing (itemized order history) files are updated for DSON?

Thanks!

Being patient and waiting.

Or using DS to convert to DSON (if it’s not already) and generate the Poser comapanion files yourself.

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