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Genesis Meets Poser - Introducing DSON Importer for Poser
Posted: 12 October 2012 07:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 541 ]
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jago187 - 12 October 2012 06:57 PM

To back up a bit - does everything we want to use in Poser that is exclusively for Genesis require this “Companion” file? What purpose does that file serve? Are we out of luck until there is some kind of universal compatibility “importer”?

Lots of questions.

We can make conversions ourselves using DS4.5 if the merchant hasn’t yet (or doesn’t wish to) make Poser Companion files for their products to go with the Poser version of Genesis.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 542 ]
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jago187 - 12 October 2012 06:57 PM

To back up a bit - does everything we want to use in Poser that is exclusively for Genesis require this “Companion” file? What purpose does that file serve? Are we out of luck until there is some kind of universal compatibility “importer”?

Yes you do need the companion files (note the -s - more than one file per item).

First, you need a file that Poser’s library can see, so you can see and click on it. Poser’s library only sees Poser format files, like cr2s, pz2s, it doesn’t see DS format files like .duf and .dsa.

And then you need a python script that tells Poser and the DSON plugin to load the DS figure or preset or whatever, and where its files are.

So you see the cr2 in the Poser figure library (because Poser will show you any file in there with a .cr2 filetype, whatever is actually in it, and try to run it if you click on it), and it isn’t a ‘real’ cr2 in terms of having all the data for a figure a Poser cr2 usually has. But what it has in it (and all it has in it) is a command to Poser to run the associated python script.

So, you click the fake cr2, the fake cr2 makes Poser run the python script, and the python script gets Poser and the DSON Importer plugin to load Genesis and the morphs and UVs and whatever from the DS format files in the data folder.

So - you can only use DS content that is (i) in the DSON format (which is very new, so older DS content can’t work until it’s been updated), and (ii) has the companion files - the python script to get Poser to load the DS content, and the fake cr2 that starts the matching python script.

If you do nothing yourself, you will have to keep checking which products are DSONed AND have the companion files. If you get DS4.5 installed - not to build scenes and pose and render in, but just as a tool - then you can create the companion files yourself. There’s a simple menu entry to click on to make the Poser comanion files at a simple click. And with not much more complexity you can even load old, non-DSONed DS products, resave them in DSON format, adn then click for the Poser companion files. Then you wouldn’‘t have to wait for DAZ or PAs to update their products to DSON and/or produce the companion files.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 543 ]
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Sunfire - 12 October 2012 07:13 PM

The hampton hair is supposed to be DSON importer compatable, but when I reset my V5 pro bundle there’s no DSON core file, legacy file and especially NO Poser Companion file… Help???

And will Daz be making a poser companion file for the Gens?

Please see my previous post. If DAZ don’t, or don’t in a timely manner, any user with the (free) DS4.5.1.6 can quickly make the Poser companion files, and if the product isn’t in DSON format, turn it into DSON format. It would be easy to learn how to do without learning anything else about using DS at all. And DS is free. Unless someone has a computer on which DS won’t run, there’s nothing wrong with installing it just as a tool to prepare things for Poser, like CrossDresser, or Morphing Clothes, or any number of other 3rd party tools people install and use to get content ready for use in Poser.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 544 ]
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Oh, and you don’t need the ‘legacy’ file for use in Poser. That’s just the product in the old DS format for use in DS 4 or the 4.5 betas.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 545 ]
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I know I mentioned the super suit, and that hampton hair seems to be lacking said companion file for download.

Now I want to know if there will be any updates to the texture files that came out at the same time as much of the stuff in the V5 and M5 bundles.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 546 ]
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Just as a note:  If you convert the DS equivalent of Smart Props over, the Props are no longer Smart.  You’ll have to parent them yourself. 

Either that or I’m doing something wrong… again…

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 547 ]
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DavidGB - 12 October 2012 07:25 PM
Sunfire - 12 October 2012 07:13 PM

The hampton hair is supposed to be DSON importer compatable, but when I reset my V5 pro bundle there’s no DSON core file, legacy file and especially NO Poser Companion file… Help???

And will Daz be making a poser companion file for the Gens?

Please see my previous post. If DAZ don’t, or don’t in a timely manner, any user with the (free) DS4.5.1.6 can quickly make the Poser companion files, and if the product isn’t in DSON format, turn it into DSON format. It would be easy to learn how to do without learning anything else about using DS at all. And DS is free. Unless someone has a computer on which DS won’t run, there’s nothing wrong with installing it just as a tool to prepare things for Poser, like CrossDresser, or Morphing Clothes, or any number of other 3rd party tools people install and use to get content ready for use in Poser.

Dial up… 100+ meg files to get DS down… not counting the content which hubby brought home for me with the DSON importer…

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 548 ]
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Loving this~ YAY! Thanks Daz and Smith Micro

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Posted: 12 October 2012 07:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 549 ]
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Nightsong - 12 October 2012 07:33 PM

Just as a note:  If you convert the DS equivalent of Smart Props over, the Props are no longer Smart.  You’ll have to parent them yourself. 

Either that or I’m doing something wrong… again…

Whether a prop smart parents or clothing auot-conforms on load depends which way you save the DSON file.  Once the file has been converted to DSON, load the prop or clothing onto the target figure( usually Genesis ).  Select Genesis, and save a “Wearable(s) Preset..”,  This is an option if you click the “+” in the content library or do “File > Save As > Wearable(s) Preset…”

Just a note a “Wearable(s) Preset” can save multiple pieces of clothing and props such that they all come in at once conformed and parented.  It is also advisable to have clothing both conformed and parented to the skeleton when do this kind of save.

 

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Posted: 12 October 2012 08:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 550 ]
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Okay, so can there/will there be a easy-to-follow tutorial to convert item(s) from DS 4.5 to DSON format?

Or, could you load these things, such as the gens, in DS, then save it “over” the original Genesis and have poser import the replacement instead?

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Posted: 12 October 2012 08:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 551 ]
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jago187 - 12 October 2012 08:20 PM

Okay, so can there/will there be a easy-to-follow tutorial to convert item(s) from DS 4.5 to DSON format?

Or, could you load these things, such as the gens, in DS, then save it “over” the original Genesis and have poser import the replacement instead?

Conversion docs are up.  They walk through the steps.  If the content is already in .duf format, its really easy, you can skip to step 3.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 08:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 552 ]
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I re-installed the importer after having updated both Poser to SR3.1 and my Visual C++.  I also loaded PP12 as administrator.  Still getting 2 duplicate DLL errors about it not being a Win32 application.  I might actually lose some hair over this through pulling it out from frustration.  Why are the solutions that worked for virtually everyone else not working for me?

Also, for a third time, might it be advisable to uninstall previous versions of Visual C++?

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Posted: 12 October 2012 08:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 553 ]
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Gregorius - 12 October 2012 08:35 PM

I re-installed the importer after having updated both Poser to SR3.1 and my Visual C++.  I also loaded PP12 as administrator.  Still getting 2 duplicate DLL errors about it not being a Win32 application.  I might actually lose some hair over this through pulling it out from frustration.  Why are the solutions that worked for virtually everyone else not working for me?

Also, for a third time, might it be advisable to uninstall previous versions of Visual C++?

The visual c++ runtimes are generally designed to be installed side by side, generally you don’t need to uninstall them.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 09:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 554 ]
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Maybe you misunderstood.

I am asking about a DSON updated V5 for those that have the 3d World Disk , not my own content from Daz 4.5. I don’t use DS.

Excuse me as I peel Latex off my face.

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Lilliana - 12 October 2012 04:55 AM

Will there be a way to get updated V5 files for those of us with the 3d World Disc?

As Matty says, if you can run DS4.5 you can do your own conversion. If not you will need to open a support ticket (with Sales) but I’m not sure what the policy on updates will be.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 09:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 555 ]
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Lilliana - 12 October 2012 09:14 PM

Maybe you misunderstood.

I am asking about a DSON updated V5 for those that have the 3d World Disk , not my own content from Daz 4.5. I don’t use DS.

Richard Haseltine - 12 October 2012 05:25 AM
Lilliana - 12 October 2012 04:55 AM

Will there be a way to get updated V5 files for those of us with the 3d World Disc?

As Matty says, if you can run DS4.5 you can do your own conversion. If not you will need to open a support ticket (with Sales) but I’m not sure what the policy on updates will be.

Like Richard said you have 2 options, since you didn’t buy V5 from the store:

1) Open a support ticket with sales and maybe they’ll give an update (which I doubt since there wasn’t anything on the Disk in those magazines to make customers unique like a serial number.

2) Install DS 4.5 and do the conversion yourself… this is more likely what you’ll have to do.

Actually if neither one of those options work for you then, there’s a 3rd solution.

Buy it officially while it’s on sale and then you’ll access to the updates.

 

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