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Genesis Meets Poser - Introducing DSON Importer for Poser
Posted: 12 October 2012 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 406 ]
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Mari-Anne - 12 October 2012 09:55 AM

I managed to download and install all the files, including the update to Daz Studio 4.5.1.6.  I am on Win 7 64-bit and have Poser Pro 2012 SR 3.  as for the DSON install, I let the installers go to the default locations and have the following DSON folders:

DSON - C:\Program Files\Smith Micro\Poser Pro 2012\Run Time\Geometries

dson - C:\Program Files\Smith Micro\Poser Pro 2012\Run Time\Python

DSON - C:\Program Files\Smith Micro\Poser Pro 2012\Run Time\Python\poserScripts

GenesisStarterEssentials .dsx, .dsa, & .jpg - C:\Users\Owner\My Documents\Daz 3D\Studio\My Library\Run Time\Support

GenesisStarterEssentials .dsx, .dsa, & ,jpg -  C:\Users\Owner\My Documents\Daz 3D\Studio\My Library\Run Time\Support

In Poser Pro 2012, I have the My Library folder mapped.

Genesis loads fine although it seems to take forever (even after the initial load) and this is what I end up with when I apply the Lana texture - did I not do the installation correctly?

Just on the chance the image doesn’t upload, here’s the link:

http://www.emaycreations.net/GenesisLanaPoser.jpg

As you can see, the texture is off and there are some strange white blocks.

 

Wrong UV set is applied to Genesis. (I have done this myself before. smile ) What UV set is the texture designed for?

If you apply the Basic Female to Genesis then it will not only apply the texture set but also switch to V4’s UV set to Genesis. Basic Male = M4. Basic Child = K4. Michael 5 will give you M5’s UV’s, Victoria 5 will give you V5’s UV’s, etc.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 407 ]
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JoePublic - 12 October 2012 10:01 AM

Has anyone an idea how to fix the messed up scaling ?

Hate to say it, but with broken single axis scaling and no (direct) access to the moveable joint centers, Genesis is pretty much pointless.

Short answer, it is being worked and is likely to be fixed fairly soon. 

Long answer is:

Scaling is one of the most complex beasts in Poser.  That being said, most will notice that very few of the morphs for Genesis actually use scaling to move the vertices.  In fact hardly any do, which is why freak, troll, gorilla, etc all work perfectly.

Artist used to
- take the base, call it mesh A
- move the vertices around to get what their morph should look like(call it mesh B)
- if A required the joint centers to move then it does not bend right so do the following:
—scale the bones to get the joint centers to the right place, but now mesh A is changed.
—do some fancy inversing out what the scale did to A and apply it to B, call this mesh C

So now mesh A -> scaled for different joint centers -> apply C -> yields pretty close to mesh B(the intended result)

Now, the better way is to
- take the base, call it mesh A
- move the vertices around to get what their morph should look like(call it mesh B)
- move the joint centers to where they are suppose to be as part of the morph.

The moving joint centers was pretty ground breaking when Daz Studio 4 released, but now I wonder why it took so long and why every 3d package does not support it. 


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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 408 ]
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I think I’ve read most of this thread and I still have a question. Well, I want to confirm what I’m thinking, lol

This importer will import the Genesis figures/morphs ect, but not the clothing. For that I’d still have to use DS4.5xx. Is that correct?

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 409 ]
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Isikol - 12 October 2012 10:07 AM
dtamm - 12 October 2012 09:55 AM

#3 is either a corrupted dll(not likely), using an older version of Poser(not likely), or not having the Visual Studio 2010 SP1 runtime (most likely).  Install one or both of the following:
- http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8328
- http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=13523

im having this problem and i still haven’t find a solution to this…

a)i completely removed poser and reinstalled it with sr3.1
b) i installed both c++ updates
c) i used the correct dson 64bit installer
d) my windows are 64bit and fully updated and checked for missing updates…

im an expert when it comes to pc…but darn, i can’t figure this out…

All the same here, except for part (a).  I tried installing both C++ updates. I used the 64-bit DSON installer for my 64-bit Poser Pro 2012, and just a couple days ago, my computer rebooted itself overnight (much to my chagrin, ‘cause it was in the middle of a long render) in order to install the latest updates.  My only reservation is that Smith Micro only displays one SR3 download for Windows, and nothing in the file itself tells me whether it’s 64- or 32-bit.

Would someone please answer my question about previous Visual C++ versions?  If I know it’s safe, that’ll at least be one more option I can try.  Also, does it help at all to know that 64-bit DS4 has never worked on my 64-bit machine?  When I try to start it up, I get “The application was unable to start correctly (0xc000007b).”  32-bit DS4 works fine, though.  I don’t really care about that, since I rarely use DS, but I’m putting it out there in case it might help figure out what’s going on with DSON.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 410 ]
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DAZ_Spooky - 12 October 2012 10:12 AM
greyson5 - 12 October 2012 09:43 AM

Everything installed OK, I load up genesis, BUT then I cant access any other libraries, pose props etc

I already tried turning off the subdivison, to no effect

am I the only one having this problem

any advice

I have been unable to reproduce this. Can I talk you into filing a bug at http:\\bugs.daz3d.com in the DSON Importer for Poser Project. Either I or a member of my team will need more information so we can figure this one out.

Thanks.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 411 ]
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greyson5 - 12 October 2012 10:22 AM
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greyson5 - 12 October 2012 09:43 AM

Everything installed OK, I load up genesis, BUT then I cant access any other libraries, pose props etc

I already tried turning off the subdivison, to no effect

am I the only one having this problem

any advice

I have been unable to reproduce this. Can I talk you into filing a bug at http:\\bugs.daz3d.com in the DSON Importer for Poser Project. Either I or a member of my team will need more information so we can figure this one out.

Thanks.

Request #115215

already posted 4 hours & no reply


I want directly to http:\\bugs.daz3d.com   & it says” Your account may be disabled or blocked or the username/password you entered is incorrect”

WHAT !!

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 412 ]
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DAZ_Spooky - 12 October 2012 10:15 AM
Mari-Anne - 12 October 2012 09:55 AM

I managed to download and install all the files, including the update to Daz Studio 4.5.1.6.  I am on Win 7 64-bit and have Poser Pro 2012 SR 3.  as for the DSON install, I let the installers go to the default locations and have the following DSON folders:

DSON - C:\Program Files\Smith Micro\Poser Pro 2012\Run Time\Geometries

dson - C:\Program Files\Smith Micro\Poser Pro 2012\Run Time\Python

DSON - C:\Program Files\Smith Micro\Poser Pro 2012\Run Time\Python\poserScripts

GenesisStarterEssentials .dsx, .dsa, & .jpg - C:\Users\Owner\My Documents\Daz 3D\Studio\My Library\Run Time\Support

GenesisStarterEssentials .dsx, .dsa, & ,jpg -  C:\Users\Owner\My Documents\Daz 3D\Studio\My Library\Run Time\Support

In Poser Pro 2012, I have the My Library folder mapped.

Genesis loads fine although it seems to take forever (even after the initial load) and this is what I end up with when I apply the Lana texture - did I not do the installation correctly?

Just on the chance the image doesn’t upload, here’s the link:

http://www.emaycreations.net/GenesisLanaPoser.jpg

As you can see, the texture is off and there are some strange white blocks.

 

Wrong UV set is applied to Genesis. (I have done this myself before. smile ) What UV set is the texture designed for?

If you apply the Basic Female to Genesis then it will not only apply the texture set but also switch to V4’s UV set to Genesis. Basic Male = M4. Basic Child = K4. Michael 5 will give you M5’s UV’s, Victoria 5 will give you V5’s UV’s, etc.

I see what you mean about V4’s UV set being applied to Genesis.  However, I’m mystified.  I thought the Lana Simple texture was intended for Genesis??  It works fine if I apply it in Daz Studio 4.5.

I get roughly the same strange result in Poser if I use the Parameters dials to change Genesis to a V4 morph

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 413 ]
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Well… finally got it to load non-invisibly.

Tell me how this makes sense…

- I completely uninstalled DS 4.5
- I reset my Poser prefs.
- I installed all 3 Poser Genesis files into the MAIN Poser Installation folder (backed the whole thing up first)

So… LOL wow. :D

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 414 ]
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cimaira - 12 October 2012 10:19 AM

I think I’ve read most of this thread and I still have a question. Well, I want to confirm what I’m thinking, lol

This importer will import the Genesis figures/morphs ect, but not the clothing. For that I’d still have to use DS4.5xx. Is that correct?

Genesis clothing works fine in Poser with genesis
Gen4 clothing needs DS4.5 to be converted with autofit and to get into the duf format

 

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 415 ]
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No. It will import any clothes in .duf format.  We are converting clothing as quickly as we can.  If you have an outfit you want, but has not been converted yet, you will need DAZ Studio 4.5, but any from that DSON ready category are ready to go and do not need DAZ Studio.

cimaira - 12 October 2012 10:19 AM

I think I’ve read most of this thread and I still have a question. Well, I want to confirm what I’m thinking, lol

This importer will import the Genesis figures/morphs ect, but not the clothing. For that I’d still have to use DS4.5xx. Is that correct?

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 416 ]
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Netherworks - 12 October 2012 10:31 AM

Well… finally got it to load non-invisibly.

Tell me how this makes sense…

- I completely uninstalled DS 4.5
- I reset my Poser prefs.
- I installed all 3 Poser Genesis files into the MAIN Poser Installation folder (backed the whole thing up first)

So… LOL wow. :D

I was also having the invisible Genesis loading up in Poser, but all I had to do was to install both companion packages in the same folder, and then add it to Poser as an external runtime. Before this I was having it installed in 2 different directories.

That has fixed the issue for me. ^________^

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 417 ]
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DAZ_KatBriggs - 12 October 2012 10:06 AM
Mari-Anne - 12 October 2012 09:55 AM

I managed to download and install all the files, including the update to Daz Studio 4.5.1.6.  I am on Win 7 64-bit and have Poser Pro 2012 SR 3.  as for the DSON install, I let the installers go to the default locations and have the following DSON folders:

DSON - C:\Program Files\Smith Micro\Poser Pro 2012\Run Time\Geometries

dson - C:\Program Files\Smith Micro\Poser Pro 2012\Run Time\Python

DSON - C:\Program Files\Smith Micro\Poser Pro 2012\Run Time\Python\poserScripts

GenesisStarterEssentials .dsx, .dsa, & .jpg - C:\Users\Owner\My Documents\Daz 3D\Studio\My Library\Run Time\Support

GenesisStarterEssentials .dsx, .dsa, & ,jpg -  C:\Users\Owner\My Documents\Daz 3D\Studio\My Library\Run Time\Support

In Poser Pro 2012, I have the My Library folder mapped.

Genesis loads fine although it seems to take forever (even after the initial load) and this is what I end up with when I apply the Lana texture - did I not do the installation correctly?

Just on the chance the image doesn’t upload, here’s the link:

http://www.emaycreations.net/GenesisLanaPoser.jpg

As you can see, the texture is off and there are some strange white blocks.

It looks like the UV Set didn’t change.  Did you make sure to install both Core and PoserCF (companion files)?  It should have a .py file riding next to your material file if you have everything.  This is needed for Poser to use the correct UV set.

Kat

 

I am pretty sure I installed the correct files:  14812_GenesisStarterEssentialsPoserCF_1.6, DSON_Importer_for_Poser_1.0.0.9_Win64 and 14812_GenesisStarterEssentials_1.6_trx.

And yes, I do have a .py file right along the Lana material file.

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 418 ]
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DAZ_Kevin - 12 October 2012 10:33 AM

No. It will import any clothes in .duf format.  We are converting clothing as quickly as we can.  If you have an outfit you want, but has not been converted yet, you will need DAZ Studio 4.5, but any from that DSON ready category are ready to go and do not need DAZ Studio.

cimaira - 12 October 2012 10:19 AM

I think I’ve read most of this thread and I still have a question. Well, I want to confirm what I’m thinking, lol

This importer will import the Genesis figures/morphs ect, but not the clothing. For that I’d still have to use DS4.5xx. Is that correct?

Thanks for the info Kevin!

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 419 ]
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greyson5 - 12 October 2012 10:30 AM
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greyson5 - 12 October 2012 09:43 AM

Everything installed OK, I load up genesis, BUT then I cant access any other libraries, pose props etc

I already tried turning off the subdivison, to no effect

am I the only one having this problem

any advice

I have been unable to reproduce this. Can I talk you into filing a bug at http:\\bugs.daz3d.com in the DSON Importer for Poser Project. Either I or a member of my team will need more information so we can figure this one out.

Thanks.

Request #115215

already posted 4 hours & no reply


I want directly to http:\\bugs.daz3d.com   & it says” Your account may be disabled or blocked or the username/password you entered is incorrect”

WHAT !!

Sorry, needs a seperate account. We are working on linking the two, but we aren’t there yet. smile

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Posted: 12 October 2012 10:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 420 ]
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FSMCDesigns - 11 October 2012 02:58 PM

Any idea if GenX will updated to work with the poser version?

There’s no need for an update to GenX. The morphs created by GenX are loaded directly with Genesis when it is imported into Poser. To apply the DUF shaping presets generated by GenX to Genesis, I made a small script to load DSON files without Poser companion files. (The script can be downloaded here: DSON Loader.) However, the morph transfer itself will require DS, because GenX is a DS plugin.

I just looked at your script, good work.  I would like to point out one thing however, the “loadCompanionDSONFile” call you are using will only work on files ending in .duf.  The preset needs to be a 4.5 preset conforming to the published spec.  Also for anyone using this, any assets that file references most be mapped correctly in Poser for it load correclty.

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